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Also this is why you see more offers in the 18,19 and 2020 classes. It is about establishing relationships and that is what the coaching staff is trying to do.
 
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Lefteye said:
Burnin, you have info on GA kids from time to time, any idea why we didn't even make Lance Thomas' top 6 or whatever?
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Not Burnin but I'll share my take...I think Tennessee has made it clear they are looking for posts, Louisville I know for sure and probably the other 3 that made his list are selling him on allowing him to play some 3, and I don't think that's something Tennessee was willing to sell him on just to stay in the running.
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
Did I just dream pearl was our coach? Why leave him out there?
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Pearl's (and Jerry Green's) success has been the exception and not the rule over the last 30 years of Tennessee basketball. You don't understand that because you grew up in the midst of Pearl's success and you think he hung the moon and stars.

His point was that Tennessee basketball has been pretty neglected from the top on down historically. Pearl's run, while a ton of fun, was a blip on the radar of UT basketball history. Sadly, he ended that run all on his own.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Watch 'chu talkin' 'bout? The chronic liar that inherited a really good group of players and filled up the dumpster with oily rags before getting fired? BTW, he wasn't just fired for serving up hot dogs and lying like a fool about it. It wasn't a question of was the program was going to blow up with Pearl in charge. It was a question of when.
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I thought you were trying to have a logical discussion but I see you are just out of your mind.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Pearl's (and Jerry Green's) success has been the exception and not the rule over the last 30 years of Tennessee basketball. You don't understand that because you grew up in the midst of Pearl's success and you think he hung the moon and stars.

His point was that Tennessee basketball has been pretty neglected from the top on down historically. Pearl's run, while a ton of fun, was a blip on the radar of UT basketball history. Sadly, he ended that run all on his own.
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Great post Chris. Wish more people could grasp this concept.
 
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calban said:
Where was all this logic and 4 year building plans when Martin was here.
He was crucified out the gate for early losses at places like Memphis. And he wasn't a HOF-er. He was a 3 year wonder.
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Some people just hated him even though he surpassed expectations each year. All the contributors left after Pearl's last year.
 
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k-town_king said:
Some people just hated him even though he surpassed expectations each year. All the contributors left after Pearl's last year.
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I wouldn't say he surpassed expectations his final year. I'd say he met them though. Many people just didn't like the manner in which that team did it; squeezing into the last four spots in the tourney, etc. That team had Sweet 16 talent, even if it wasn't recognized nationally pre-season, and that's exactly where they finished.
 
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BurninOrange said:
Also this is why you see more offers in the 18,19 and 2020 classes. It is about establishing relationships and that is what the coaching staff is trying to do.
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bleedingTNorange said:
Not Burnin but I'll share my take...I think Tennessee has made it clear they are looking for posts, Louisville I know for sure and probably the other 3 that made his list are selling him on allowing him to play some 3, and I don't think that's something Tennessee was willing to sell him on just to stay in the running.
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:hi: thnx guys. Makes sense.

Thought he may also want to get out of the south when I saw USCw in his final group. Think I'm gonna go with that just to ease the pain of missing on close proximity high ranked post player. :)

til he chooses florida. lol
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Revisionist history a bit.

Cuonzo inherited a progam that had went to 6 straight NCAA tourneys. Even then there was plenty that were patient with him. I know I was. I remember him getting railed for losing to Austin Peay.

I wouldn't call him a wonder though. Many wondered how he got the job with that resume.

So far though, Rick Barnes has a sense of urgency on the recruiting trail that rivals a Cuonzo Martin sub .500 team's sense of urgency in mid January.
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BurninOrange said:
Great post Chris. Wish more people could grasp this concept.
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Ray Mears had a pretty good run at Tennessee. Also, Tennessee has more wins against Kentucky than any other SC school. We have not been the doormat of basketball as some of you think. I realize that some of the SEC schools have hired big named coaches in recent years and have had limited success, but I think Barns can change the culture her and develop a winning NCAA quality team.
 
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UT's history is to burn coaches.

Meds weren't available in the late 1970s so Mears had to be put out to pasture.

Devoe was consistently in the NCAAT, but was expected to regularly get to the second weekend.

Wade... ironically he was given a 5th year that he had no business getting. IMO it was a PC move and DAD didn't care about basketball anyway.

O'Neill couldn't get along with Dickey. He wasn't run. He ran away.

Jerry Green had 4x 20 win seasons and 4x NCAATs in 4 years... but he did inherit a great roster. And he was a ****head.

Buzz was in over his head except for recruiting. I was hoping that Devoe would have been hired as the associate head coach for Xs and Os. Changing to Pearl was worth it despite the dumpster fire that he started.

Pearl self immolated. But he beat out Syracuse for Tobias Harris and that was a turd in the NCAA Blue Blood's punch bowl.

Cuonzo's ceiling was probably about the historical norm for TN basketball. But Pearl's record created delusions of grandeur with the fan base.

Donnie being Donnie.

Now Barnes is hated because he's not basketball's version of Jon Gruden or Harbaugh.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Ray Mears had a pretty good run at Tennessee. Also, Tennessee has more wins against Kentucky than any other SC school. We have not been the doormat of basketball as some of you think. I realize that some of the SEC schools have hired big named coaches in recent years and have had limited success, but I think Barns can change the culture her and develop a winning NCAA quality team.
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I'm not insinuating that we've been a doormat in the SEC, but for argument's sake, let's say Tennessee is #2 all time, which is debatable. The distance between #1 (Kentucky) and theoretical #2 (Tennessee) is enormous. Tennessee's best run ever just happened to coincide with Kentucky's worst run, so it gave the appearance that the gap was closer for a time. Overall, over the past 30 years, the gap isn't close at all.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm not insinuating that we've been a doormat in the SEC, but for argument's sake, let's say Tennessee is #2 all time, which is debatable. The distance between #1 (Kentucky) and theoretical #2 (Tennessee) is enormous. Tennessee's best run ever just happened to coincide with Kentucky's worst run, so it gave the appearance that the gap was closer for a time. Overall, over the past 30 years, the gap isn't close at all.
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TN was by far the #2 historical SEC program before the 1980s. I blame Dickey more than anybody for ****ing that up.

While TN was sleeping Florida won back to back Nattys, Arkansas had their run, LSU did a lot of damage in the NCAATs, Alabama holds a head-to-head advantage versus TN, and Vanderbilt stayed solid. Now Missouri is in the SEC and they have a pretty good history. TN can still cite several things to argue for #2, like NCAAT wins/appearances/S16s, SEC titles, SECT titles/wins/championship game appearances, winning percentage, total wins, etc. But they need to become a lot more stable and consistent to claim #2.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
TN was by far the #2 historical SEC program before the 1980s. I blame Dickey more than anybody for ****ing that up.

While TN was sleeping Florida won back to back Nattys, Arkansas had their run, LSU did a lot of damage in the NCAATs, Alabama holds a head-to-head advantage versus TN, and Vanderbilt stayed solid. Now Missouri is in the SEC and they have a pretty good history. TN can still cite several things to argue for #2, like NCAAT wins/appearances/S16s, SEC titles, SECT titles/wins/championship game appearances, winning percentage, total wins, etc. But they need to become a lot more stable and consistent to claim #2.
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I agree. DAD was a death sentence for basketball at Tennessee.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Where do you see those contingencies mentioned?
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Has this kid found some kind of love potion #9? Watched some of the tapes on him and it's really hard to see anything but a future role player. Where's all this sudden movement coming from for a NR kid?
 
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calban said:
Has this kid found some kind of love potion #9? Watched some of the tapes on him and it's really hard to see anything but a future role player. Where's all this sudden movement coming from for a NR kid?
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All I can guess is that the tape is old, hard to argue against all these offers.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Noooo, it's not. You can say it a hundred times, a thousand even, and it won't make it true. You just have a youthful, myopic (not to mention extremely biased) perspective.
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I'm beginning to wonder how much college basketball he's actually watched. The Pearl years were great and yes the atmosphere was as good as it's been in the modern era (too young but I've heard stories of how Stokely could rock), but even then it wasn't the "best atmosphere" in college basketball.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I'm beginning to wonder how much college basketball he's actually watched. The Pearl years were great and yes the atmosphere was as good as it's been in the modern era (too young but I've heard stories of how Stokely could rock), but even then it wasn't the "best atmosphere" in college basketball.
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Missed one game since 08.
 
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