Recruiting Discussion

[BigZiti09]

Candid Coaches: What are the best three hoops jobs in the country? - CBSSports.com

I must be crazy, because two months ago cbssports.com ask coaches what are the top three jobs in the country and Texas received multiple votes and actually finished fifth.

Tennessee received zero votes.

Well, first off, it's Gary Parrish writing a self serving article that isn't exactly scientific.

Secondly, it doesn't say Tennessee received "zero" votes (though I don't think either TN or TX is a top 3 job). It only lists schools who received multiple votes. In Parrish's "poll" if you want to call it that, he had 12 schools mentioned more than once. Texas isn't a top 3 job. I don't care what his article says.

Finally, TN and TX are close enough to debunk your "Barnes doesn't have the Texas name to carry him" argument. It makes no sense. If he can't get it done here it will be because he's past his prime or because he's asleep at the wheel. It won't be because it is easy at Texas and difficult at Tennessee.

 

[Dallasbowlin]

Tennessee has the potential to have the best fan support, and to be the best in the nation honestly. We have everything going for us.

 

[BruinVol]

Texas is the better job at the moment thanks to Martin and Tyndall.

Using $ as a reason for that is just plain silly

 

[BigZiti09]

Texas is the better job at the moment thanks to Martin and Tyndall.

Using $ as a reason for that is just plain silly

On that note......

I'll give you a good example of a job that has been temporarily elevated because they made one great hire.

The Florida Gators basketball program somehow lucked up and hired Billy Donovan back in the 90's and Billy D stayed there for a long time. That is not a great job but Billy D elevated it. It will be interesting to see where that program goes over the next decade. Especially if White tanks.

Their fans (who are complete frontrunners by nature) don't care about hoops. The O-dome is a dump.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Self bump because I feel it's very relevant to this recruiting class and people saying Barnes hasn't recruited this style of player before. Will any of Bone/Johnson/Williams/Fulkerson make the NBA? Probably not, but looking at Barnes' track record it's very possible those are all 4 year guys who become major contributors and all conference caliber players. Create yourself a stable base with those players, and then in '17 look for a few of those potential stars to go with them, nothing wrong with that IMO.

Again, not every player has to be a pro, many very good college players never play a day in the NBA. Rivals goes back to 2002, here are all the non-4&5 stars high school recruits that Barnes landed during that span, and their junior/senior stats, since typically that's about when you'd look for them to contribute...

Kenton Paulino...6.9ppg/9.8ppg

Edgar Moreno...transferred after year 2

Kenny Taylor...7.3ppg/10.6ppg

Connor Atchley...9.5ppg/5.3rpg/2.1bpg left for NBA JR yr

AJ Abrams...16.5ppg/16.6ppg considered one of best to play at Texas

Matt Hill...0.7ppg/1.6ppg knee injury derailed career

Dexter Pittman...10.1ppg/10.4ppg in the NBA

Dogus Balbay...4.1ppg 2.7apg/3.8ppg 3.9apg Big 12 all defense

Varez Ward...played in 30 games as a frosh, averaged 4ppg, transferred to be close to ill mom after FR season

Jaylen Bond...transferred after year 2

Javan Felix...11.6ppg soph, 8.7ppg jr.

Demarcus Holland...7.1ppg, started every game as a soph. Named Big 12 all defensive team

Connor Lambert...5.8ppg 5.2rpg soph./5.1ppg 5.4rpg jr.

Isaiah Taylor...12.7ppg/13.1ppg...considered NBA draft pick

Martez Walker...4.7ppg/2.3rpg as a freshman, transferred to be closer to home



Of the 3 stars that Barnes recruited, he gets some major contributions from, or they transfer out (read into that what you will). He clearly has a history of taking 3 star guys and developing them into starters, and all conference caliber players on a pretty regular basis.

 

[volbeast33]

Self bump because I feel it's very relevant to this recruiting class and people saying Barnes hasn't recruited this style of player before. Will any of Bone/Johnson/Williams/Fulkerson make the NBA? Probably not, but looking at Barnes' track record it's very possible those are all 4 year guys who become major contributors and all conference caliber players. Create yourself a stable base with those players, and then in '17 look for a few of those potential stars to go with them, nothing wrong with that IMO.

It all depends on if they end up being a contributor on a good/great team or a contributor on a average/below average team

 

[germanicus]

Self bump because I feel it's very relevant to this recruiting class and people saying Barnes hasn't recruited this style of player before. Will any of Bone/Johnson/Williams/Fulkerson make the NBA? Probably not, but looking at Barnes' track record it's very possible those are all 4 year guys who become major contributors and all conference caliber players. Create yourself a stable base with those players, and then in '17 look for a few of those potential stars to go with them, nothing wrong with that IMO.

That's a good list. Worth noting that almost all of them were the 5th or sixth signees in classes of 4s and 5s. If any two of the current group was in a group that had 2-3 4s and 5s, this would be a fine class.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It all depends on if they end up being a contributor on a good/great team or a contributor on a average/below average team

Well considering Barnes made how many consecutive NCAAT, I'm gonna say those guys were likely contributors on pretty good teams.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

That's a good list. Worth noting that almost all of them were the 5th or sixth signees in classes of 4s and 5s. If any two of the current group was in a group that had 2-3 4s and 5s, this would be a fine class.

I don't think that's accurate, again though if Tennessee lands 4 of those guys in the fall, and then adds Fernando in the spring and 2-3 top 100 guys in 2017, that even out pretty much to the kind of class you're talking. The difference is simply that instead of a mix the '16 class was filled with more of the developmental guys, and the '17 with those "wow" recruits or whatever they're called.

 

[volbeast33]

Well considering Barnes made how many consecutive NCAAT, I'm gonna say those guys were likely contributors on pretty good teams.

I'm talking about our guys..... Not the ones at the end of a top rated Texas class.

 

[volbeast33]

I don't think that's accurate, again though if Tennessee lands 4 of those guys in the fall, and then adds Fernando in the spring and 2-3 top 100 guys in 2017, that even out pretty much to the kind of class you're talking. The difference is simply that instead of a mix the '16 class was filled with more of the developmental guys, and the '17 with those "wow" recruits or whatever they're called.

If that happens.... Everyone will be happy

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I'm talking about our guys..... Not the ones at the end of a top rated Texas class.

Most of them weren't?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

If that happens.... Everyone will be happy

And it's very possible which is why I've suggested relaxing a bit

 

[LittleCat]

Tennessee has the potential to have the best fan support, and to be the best in the nation honestly. We have everything going for us.

It has potential to be a tier 2 school in the same way Syracuse has been. Sustainability and consistency is key to getting long lasting fan support and changing perceptions of the program from within/outside.

 

[BruinVol]

Self bump because I feel it's very relevant to this recruiting class and people saying Barnes hasn't recruited this style of player before. Will any of Bone/Johnson/Williams/Fulkerson make the NBA? Probably not, but looking at Barnes' track record it's very possible those are all 4 year guys who become major contributors and all conference caliber players. Create yourself a stable base with those players, and then in '17 look for a few of those potential stars to go with them, nothing wrong with that IMO.

Don't have time to look all them up but I know Pittman was a composite 4star top 100 recruit.

If you are going to make a list it needs to be accurate with players like Taylor. Now maybe Pittman is the only one that doesn't fit but he for sure belongs in the higher sought after list

 

[Dallasbowlin]

I'm gonna attempt to sell Tennessee here, we have an excellent campus. Beautiful ,beautiful campus. We have one of the most passionate fan bases in the world. That is a proven fact. Look at it, we have 102,455 max at the football games. Not just big games, but exhibition. The facilities are top notch. I've seen kentuxkys, I've seen dukes. We have the best. It's proven you can succeed at the university of tennnesse. Academically,and athletically. Peyton manning, the best qb ever attended here.king, stokes, lofton, Harris, etc. you want to see what our fanbase is? What it does? Fine, here you go. We are Tennessee, we are the best.


http://www.volnation.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=101940&stc=1&d=1445642636


http://www.volnation.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=101940&stc=1&d=1445642636

 

[Dallasbowlin]

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http://www.volnation.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=101942&stc=1&d=1445642829

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Don't have time to look all them up but I know Pittman was a composite 4star top 100 recruit.

If you are going to make a list it needs to be accurate with players like Taylor. Now maybe Pittman is the only one that doesn't fit but he for sure belongs in the higher sought after list

The list was very clear, 3* per rivals. I used rivals because they go the furthest back, seems pretty simple & fair to me.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I'm gonna attempt to sell Tennessee here, we have an excellent campus. Beautiful ,beautiful campus. We have one of the most passionate fan bases in the world. That is a proven fact. Look at it, we have 102,455 max at the football games. Not just big games, but exhibition. The facilities are top notch. I've seen kentuxkys, I've seen dukes. We have the best. It's proven you can succeed at the university of tennnesse. Academically,and athletically. Peyton manning, the best qb ever attended here.king, stokes, lofton, Harris, etc. you want to see what our fanbase is? What it does? Fine, here you go. We are Tennessee, we are the best.


http://www.volnation.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=101940&stc=1&d=1445642636


http://www.volnation.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=101940&stc=1&d=1445642636

And that's when the recruit realizes you're FOS

 

[BruinVol]

The list was very clear, 3* per rivals. I used rivals because they go the furthest back, seems pretty simple & fair to me.

Ok again I thought we decided the composite 247 rankings were the most accurate but I guess I was wrong on that agreement

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Ok again I thought we decided the composite 247 rankings we the most accurate but I guess I was wrong on that agreement

They don't go back nearly as far, was looking for a bigger sample size, again seems pretty fair/simple. Barnes clearly has done a very good job turning 3* into high major contributors and all conference caliber players.

 

[BruinVol]

They don't go back nearly as far, was looking for a bigger sample size, again seems pretty fair/simple. Barnes clearly has done a very good job turning 3* into high major contributors and all conference caliber players.

Fair enough for the years the 247 composite wasn't available


I will say that the services are doing a much much better job than they did even just 10 years ago IMO

 

[BruinVol]

Again, not every player has to be a pro, many very good college players never play a day in the NBA. Rivals goes back to 2002, here are all the non-4&5 stars high school recruits that Barnes landed during that span, and their junior/senior stats, since typically that's about when you'd look for them to contribute...

Kenton Paulino...6.9ppg/9.8ppg

Edgar Moreno...transferred after year 2

Kenny Taylor...7.3ppg/10.6ppg

Connor Atchley...9.5ppg/5.3rpg/2.1bpg left for NBA JR yr

AJ Abrams...16.5ppg/16.6ppg considered one of best to play at Texas

Matt Hill...0.7ppg/1.6ppg knee injury derailed career

Dexter Pittman...10.1ppg/10.4ppg in the NBA

Dogus Balbay...4.1ppg 2.7apg/3.8ppg 3.9apg Big 12 all defense

Varez Ward...played in 30 games as a frosh, averaged 4ppg, transferred to be close to ill mom after FR season

Jaylen Bond...transferred after year 2

Javan Felix...11.6ppg soph, 8.7ppg jr.

Demarcus Holland...7.1ppg, started every game as a soph. Named Big 12 all defensive team

Connor Lambert...5.8ppg 5.2rpg soph./5.1ppg 5.4rpg jr.

Isaiah Taylor...12.7ppg/13.1ppg...considered NBA draft pick

Martez Walker...4.7ppg/2.3rpg as a freshman, transferred to be closer to home



Of the 3 stars that Barnes recruited, he gets some major contributions from, or they transfer out (read into that what you will). He clearly has a history of taking 3 star guys and developing them into starters, and all conference caliber players on a pretty regular basis.

Atchley and Taylor are good finds for sure for crb.

Abrahams(114 rank with big offers)
Felix and Pittman were 4 star top 100 players

The rest didn't do much

Per 247 composite rankings

 

[bleedingTNorange]

The rest didn't do much

Balbay and Holland aren't much? That's beyond foolish and just shows the agenda here. Majority of that list developed into at a minimum solid HM contributors, like I said earlier today, you can be a very good college player without making it in the NBA.

 

[BruinVol]

Balbay and Holland aren't much? That's beyond foolish and just shows the agenda here. Majority of that list developed into at a minimum solid HM contributors, like I said earlier today, you can be a very good college player without making it in the NBA.

I didn't look to hard into their careers but 4 and 7pts a game didn't impress me too much

My apologies if they did a lot more I really have no idea and was only looking at what you posted. Look like roll players to me