Recruiting Discussion

[bleedingTNorange]

Sure there are.


You posted a story saying hart loved how clean Barnes was.

Being clean hasn't hurt him before so I am not willing to say being clean is hurting him now. Seems simple to me

Then you're being naive, but what else is new. Didn't Hart also say how clean Tyndall was and had learned from his mistake, what did you expect, Hart to get up there and say Barnes knows how to recruit dirty without getting caught? Lmao

 

[BruinVol]

Then you're being naive, but what else is new. Didn't Hart also say how clean Tyndall was and had learned from his mistake, what did you expect, Hart to get up there and say Barnes knows how to recruit dirty without getting caught? Lmao

Huh?

You brought up the being clean stuff as being the reason he hasn't set the woods on fire. You do realize that has been your excuse?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Simple answer - if you really are handicapped for 2016 fall recruiting, don't go all in on the 206 Fall class. Sign no more than 3. Hang on to a couple for a surprise in Spring or one of those higher rated 2017 kids. Don't play to your weakness. Play to your strength.

That being said, if Fulkerson or Williams or both fall through, that may be be the result, quite by accident.

Well they passed on a guy like Cameron, Bruner and Blackwell, so I don't agree they're just signing guys to sign them. Rob Lewis said something similar as to what you're saying recently, however he went on to make it very clear that this staff really likes those guys they went after, and feel they're vastly underrated. Bone/Jenkins/Okogie/Johnson/Williams/Fulk they feel like those guys are all worthy of a scholarship and really feel like they can contribute at this level, we may not agree, but it's pretty apparent how the staff feels.

It's also worth mentioning if you're gonna take that stance that VQ has said Tennessee feels they can make room if needed in the '17 class, so you may wanna include that if you're gonna criticize not saving spots for '17, it may not matter.

 

[calban]

Agree with this also.

My biggest concerns about Barnes is that we were hiring 2008 version of Fulmer.

It's early and I've defended Barnes recruiting to this point. But I can't overlook that he does some things (or doesn't do some things) that make me think that he is on cruise control and doesn't really understand how much people love basketball in Knoxville.

Everything we've read about Barnes so far suggests more that he's returned to the form of the early Texas days. Some are calling him a Gym Rat because he spends so much time there.
I've seen nothing that suggests we're getting the version on cruise control that was let go in April.

Maybe I'm the Sunshine Pumper this season, but I expect this team will exceed all expectations because of the extra attention they are getting.
If I'm right, recruiting will take care of itself.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Agree with your post until the blame game on hart. That's simply an excuse

No AD anywhere is going to say go get your guy even if it's dirty. Silly to blame AD

Check out Jurich lololol

You once again are being naive and trying to make things simple that aren't, can an AD effect a HC ability to recruit, I shouldn't even have to ask that question but for some reason I do.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Huh?

You brought up the being clean stuff as being the reason he hasn't set the woods on fire. You do realize that has been your excuse?

I've not once said it's the sole reason, there tou going reading half of posts again, SLOW DOWN.

Do I believe if Hart told Barnes he is to do nothing even remotely shady that it could have hampered their chances with the '15 & '16 classes, yes I absolutely do. I truly don't know how that can even be debated, but nothing you say really surprises me anymore.

 

[BruinVol]

Check out Jurich lololol

Lol

On a serious note I heard some things surrounding the clarke visit last fall that sounded fairly similar. Let's hope we don't have a similar attention event as the cards

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Lol

On a serious note I heard some things surrounding the clarke visit last fall that sounded fairly similar. Let's hope we don't have a similar attention event as the cards

So glad he is gone, SMH.

 

[BruinVol]

Do I believe if Hart told Barnes he is to do nothing even remotely shady that it could have hampered their chances with the '15 & '16 classes, yes I absolutely do.

I completely agree that hart tells all his coaches that.


Every AD in American says the same thing.

I completely disagree that those directions from hart hampered him in anyway because of his track record in the past

 

[BruinVol]

So glad he is gone, SMH.

Same here with hindsights

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I completely agree that hart tells all his coaches that.


Every AD in American says the same thing.

I completely disagree that those directions from hart hampered him in anyway because of his track record in the past

Let me ask you Bruin, since you appear to know everything, why did we stop recruiting Ado? In your opinion?

 

[BruinVol]

Let me ask you Bruin, since you appear to know everything, why did we stop recruiting Ado? In your opinion?

I trusted your many post about him having a poor summer and falling down the ratings. It was my understanding he wasn't high enough on the wish list talent wise.

At least that is what you posted numerous times.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I trusted your many post about him having a poor summer and falling down the ratings. It was my understanding he wasn't high enough on the wish list talent wise.

At least that is what you posted numerous times.

I'm not asking what I posted, I'm asking what YOUR personal opinion is, are you incapable of having your own thoughts/opinion? Why is it you can't answer a question the first time, you just want to spin it, I asked what I thought was a fairly simple question...why in your opinion didn't this staff completely stop all recruiting of Ado?

 

[BruinVol]

I'm not asking what I posted, I'm asking what YOUR personal opinion is, are you incapable of having your own thoughts/opinion? Why is it you can't answer a question the first time, you just want to spin it, I asked what I thought was a fairly simple question...why in your opinion didn't this staff completely stop all recruiting of Ado?

I am incapable of judging recruits soley on my own because I never watch film. I rely on ratings, stats, and things posted here. Believe it or not I trust most of what you say when it comes to evaluation. That's why ado and Blackwell don't hurt my feelings to badly Since you have said their games are severely lacking. It's also why I really wanted fulk initially but now I could care less because he hasn't jumped on Board like a feel an instate kid should

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I am incapable of judging recruits soley on my own because I never watch film. I rely on ratings, stats, and things posted here. Believe it or not I trust most of what you say when it comes to evaluation. That's why ado and Blackwell don't hurt my feelings to badly Since you have said their games are severely lacking. It's also why I really wanted fulk initially but now I could care less because he hasn't jumped on Board like a feel an instate kid should

So if you trust most of what I say then why do you feel the need to mock things that I say, such as going into the Blackwell thread and mocking me saying that not going after kids with some sketchy handlers may have been a reason we dropped Ado?

I was unaware of that until today, I get you think every AD in America gives the same speech to their HC's, but I don't buy that. Do I think Auburn's AD gave Pearl the same speech that Hart gave Barnes, not in a million freaking years, but apparently we disagree on that. I'm not suggesting Jacobs has told Pearl to cheat it's ok, but I do think from what was said by VQ that Hart had a little more than just the typical run of the mill talk about violations with a new HC that you're suggesting was had.

 

[BruinVol]

I get you think every AD in America gives the same speech to their HC's, but I don't buy that. Do I think Auburn's AD gave Pearl the same speech that Hart gave Barnes, not in a million freaking years, but apparently we disagree on that. .

Yes I 110% think auburn ADs reminded pearl he would be under a microscope from the NCAA. Not sure how on Earth you think he wouldn't have. Smh

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Yes I 110% think auburn ADs reminded pearl he would be under a microscope from the NCAA. Not sure how on Earth you think he wouldn't have. Smh

Because I happen to know first hand of a violation he's already committed to land a prospect, so if the talk was had then he's gonna be out of a job pretty soon if he's under minding Jacobs that quick. Again, did Jacobs give him a talk, oh I'm sure, did he include in that talk that if he doesn't get caught I don't really care what you do, I think to some extent that's also true, what does auburn basketball have to lose??

Again, agree to disagree but I think Hart's talk to Barnes was much more serious than the one most AD's give out, but that's just my interpretation of it. I don't think you'd have seen the staff drop Ado quite like they did, same for Romello White, and all of a sudden be targeting well brought up kids, or kids with Ivy League offers, if that wasn't the case.

 

[BruinVol]

So if you trust most of what I say then why do you feel the need to mock things that I say, such as going into the Blackwell thread and mocking me saying that not going after kids with some sketchy handlers may have been a reason we dropped Ado?

I was unaware of that until today,

You spent the past few months sayings Adu was overrated and stating his poor stats. Now Today it seems you are saying he is a high level recruit we passed on because of his handler.


There were post in his thread saying his handler was a factor yet you continued to say his talent wasn't good enough and now change your tune.

Hard to understand what you are saying.


For me I would have prefered Ado over Williams or Fulkerson but due to his poor stats and your previous post I was willing to lean toward Williams and Fulkerson.

 

[BruinVol]

Again, did Jacobs give him a talk, oh I'm sure, did he include in that talk that if he doesn't get caught I don't really care what you do, I think to some extent that's also true, what does auburn basketball have to lose??

Dear Lord the comedy of thinking an AD said to a coach already with a significant NCAA record to follow the rules(wink, wink) but if you don't just don't get caught.


My oh my I want some of what you are Smoking

 

[Tennessteve]

I am incapable of judging recruits soley on my own because I never watch film. I rely on ratings, stats, and things posted here. Believe it or not I trust most of what you say when it comes to evaluation. That's why ado and Blackwell don't hurt my feelings to badly Since you have said their games are severely lacking. It's also why I really wanted fulk initially but now I could care less because he hasn't jumped on Board like a feel an instate kid should

He was quoted saying he likes the attention he's getting. Who cares what you think the kid should do, what you want is irrelevant. The kid is as close to being a Vol as you can get without officially committing. Let him enjoy his recruiting.

 

[BruinVol]

He was quoted saying he likes the attention he's getting. Who cares what you think the kid should do, what you want is irrelevant. The kid is as close to being a Vol as you can get without officially committing. Let his enjoy his recruiting.

I have been consistent from the start. In state kid should jump on board quicker. Vq even saying now that it is a concern he hasn't done so

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You spent the past few months sayings Adu was overrated and stating his poor stats. Now Today it seems you are saying he is a high level recruit we passed on because of his handler.

See bruin, this is where you get lost, you read only the parts you want, and then assume the rest...I've not once said today that Ado was a high level recruit or that we passed because of his handler.

I suggest re-reading all of of my posts from today on the topic and then maybe you'll understand what it is I'm saying :thumbsup:

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Dear Lord the comedy of thinking an AD said to a coach already with a significant NCAA record to follow the rules(wink, wink) but if you don't just don't get caught.


My oh my I want some of what you are Smoking

Says the guy who's drawing his own conclusions and struggling to properly interpret the simplest of sentences.

 

[BruinVol]

See bruin, this is where you get lost, you read only the parts you want, and then assume the rest...I've not once said today that Ado was a high level recruit or that we passed because of his handler.

I suggest re-reading all of of my posts from today on the topic and then maybe you'll understand what it is I'm saying :thumbsup:

So why did we pass on Ado?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So why did we pass on Ado?

As I have already said today...a combination of him requiring a shady recruitment, and also his stock dropping.