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#826
#826
bleedingTNorange said:
The only person they've missed on was Jenkins, not sure of many staffs who hit on all their top targets. They landed Bone, so right now they're 1/2, if they miss on Williams/Okogie/Fulkerson then you've got a point.

"their other failures" once again is multiple, they've only missed on one of their main targets.
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Fair enough. Clean sweep the rest of the board and it will be a C class.
 
#827
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BruinVol said:
Fair enough. Clean sweep the rest of the board and it will be a C class.
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I think that's a pretty fair grade, depending on how guys develop their senior year I could se it as a C+/B-. Fulk, Okogie and Johnson are 3 guys who have been trending up, all 3 end up top 125 and the class looks much better than it currently does.
 
#828
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think that's a pretty fair grade, depending on how guys develop their senior year I could se it as a C+/B-. Fulk, Okogie and Johnson are 3 guys who have been trending up, all 3 end up top 125 and the class looks much better than it currently does.
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Agreed

How many more updates are there on the ratings?
 
#830
#830
bleedingTNorange said:
Per VQ staff has started to turn some attention to the class of 2017, which is expected to be a pretty small class. Ideally this is where the staff can bring in at least 2 highly touted/immediate impact/high level players, and the belief seems to be they'll be looking for bigs. They checked in on #11 per 247 Ikey Obiagu, along with #88 per 247 Michael Durr. They're also putting in the effort early on Isaiah Stokes who's ranked #113 by 247, and are in good early with #63 per 247 Rayshaun Hammonds who camped at Tennessee in June and has plans to visit for a football game this fall.
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Why does it have to be a small class? Make thE class where you are a disadvantage a small class and make the class you've had a year to work on a big class. The only guy you sign this Fall who is going to help you immediately is Bone. What's the harm in waiting on some impact guys? If you don't get them, you always can fall back on sleepers at that point.
 
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#831
germanicus said:
Why does it have to be a small class? Make thE class where you are a disadvantage a small class and make the class you've had a year to work on a big class. The only guy you sign this Fall who is going to help you immediately is Bone. What's the harm in waiting on some impact guys? If you don't get them, you always can fall back on sleepers at that point.
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I agree. I still don't see the point of taking Grant Williams. He doesn't really have a position. He could play the 3/4 but doesn't have the ball skills to play the 3 and would be undersized at the 4. Not to mention, he has a similar skillset as Admiral Schofield, I just don't see the point in taking another 6'5 undersized Big man. Taking a Maymon is one thing but this guy is outside the top 150.

Just doesn't seem like we "need" to use a scholarship on him. Though he does appear to have a good jumpshot for a low block big man.
 
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iKrager said:
I agree. I still don't see the point of taking Grant Williams. He doesn't really have a position. He could play the 3/4 but doesn't have the ball skills to play the 3 and would be undersized at the 4. Not to mention, he has a similar skillset as Admiral Schofield, I just don't see the point in taking another 6'5 undersized Big man. Taking a Maymon is one thing but this guy is outside the top 150.

Just doesn't seem like we "need" to use a scholarship on him. Though he does appear to have a good jumpshot for a low block big man.
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I just posted a nearly identical opinion in the Jalen Johnson thread re: the similarities between Schofield and Williams.

I agree with you. With only 13 schollys, having 2 players whom you habe to create a position for seems irresponsible. I'd love to be wrong though.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I just posted a nearly identical opinion in the Jalen Johnson thread re: the similarities between Schofield and Williams.

I agree with you. With only 13 schollys, having 2 players whom you habe to create a position for seems irresponsible. I'd love to be wrong though.
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That's hilarious. I just saw your post and responded to it.
 
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germanicus said:
Why does it have to be a small class? Make thE class where you are a disadvantage a small class and make the class you've had a year to work on a big class. The only guy you sign this Fall who is going to help you immediately is Bone. What's the harm in waiting on some impact guys? If you don't get them, you always can fall back on sleepers at that point.
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So you're suggesting we enter next season with 9 scholarship players?
 
#838
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iKrager said:
I believe he's suggesting we hold off until Spring.
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Doesn't sound like it? He was replying to the post about the 2017 class being small, and asked why does it have to be, for it not to be we would have to roll over scholarships, meaning leavings empty ones for the 16-17 season.
 
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BruinVol said:
Why not hold 1 extra spot for 17 and play with 12 since you are on the record as saying we don't need more mid major/low power 5 talents?
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I never said I was opposed to that idea did I? What I said was "are you suggesting we play with 9 scholarship players".
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I never said I was opposed to that idea did I? What I said was "are you suggesting we play with 9 scholarship players".
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Just curious why you were an advocate for saving a spot in last years class when a huge position of need was in question and then this year when we are virtually loading up on guys that are all "projects" in positions with little need you are for using the spots?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Doesn't sound like it? He was replying to the post about the 2017 class being small, and asked why does it have to be, for it not to be we would have to roll over scholarships, meaning leavings empty ones for the 16-17 season.
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No he's suggesting or saying that yes we've got Bone but the other recruits might wait until they see what CRB is offering & see if they can fit into the system b4 committing. But still go after the ones we most desperately need.
 
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BruinVol said:
Just curious why you were an advocate for saving a spot in last years class when a huge position of need was in question and then this year when we are virtually loading up on guys that are all "projects" in positions with little need you are for using the spots?
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Who was available last year that we passed on? And if by position of need you mean PG, maybe I'm mistaken but don't we have 2 pretty good options at PG going forward? And I don't feel we are filling positions of little need? We have 1 scholarship PG, that was a position of need. We lose Punter, Baulkman and Moore, so wing is a position of need. We don't have a versatile 4 with length, so that's a position of need...I'm missing where we are filling positions of no need, except maybe you could say Williams but he's similar style to Moore who we are losing.

Depending on who we can get, right now if turner is cleared eventually as expected, and no attrition, a class of 5 leaves 1 scholarship for 2017 class. I would be good with holding one open again and making that a 2 man class, but it's also very possible there's attrition and the staff is thinking a 2-3 man 2017 class is likely.
 
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summittfan4life said:
No he's suggesting or saying that yes we've got Bone but the other recruits might wait until they see what CRB is offering & see if they can fit into the system b4 committing. But still go after the ones we most desperately need.
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I don't think that's even close to what he was saying
 
#845
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bleedingTNorange said:
Who was available last year that we passed on? And if by position of need you mean PG, maybe I'm mistaken but don't we have 2 pretty good options at PG going forward?

Depending on who we can get, right now if turner is cleared eventually as expected, and no attrition, a class of 5 leaves 1 scholarship for 2017 class. I would be good with holding one open again and making that a 2 man class, but it's also very possible there's attrition and the staff is thinking a 2-3 man 2017 class is likely.
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Turner been cleared yet? I hadn't heard anything..I agree with you that we do need a true PG.
 
#846
#846
bleedingTNorange said:
Who was available last year that we passed on? And if by position of need you mean PG, maybe I'm mistaken but don't we have 2 pretty good options at PG going forward?

Depending on who we can get, right now if turner is cleared eventually as expected, and no attrition, a class of 5 leaves 1 scholarship for 2017 class. I would be good with holding one open again and making that a 2 man class, but it's also very possible there's attrition and the staff is thinking a 2-3 man 2017 class is likely.
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Just seems to me that if building relations is all that us lacking we should save 1 spot for sure. especially considering we aren't expecting a few if these guys to be ready to play from the get go anyway .
Just wait and find a guy that can help immediately and nothing is lost at the worst
 
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#847
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BruinVol said:
Just seems to me that if building relations is all that us lacking we should save 1 spot for sure. especially considering we aren't expecting a few if these guys to be ready to play from the get go anyway .
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I haven't once said "building relations is all that is lacking", so that's probably where you're a little gray on exactly what my view on this topic is.

Just wait and find a guy that can help immediately and nothing is lost at the worst
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As I said, depending on who we may be passing on, I could definitely see a scenario where I would be for saving a scholarship and rolling it over. If we can land a class of Bone, Okogie, Johnson, Fulkerson and Fernando I think you do it though, and if you're finding the going easier in 2017 and only have one open scholarship, then you start exploring your roster and thinking of potential ways to free up a spot or two.
 
#848
#848
bleedingTNorange said:
I haven't once said "building relations is all that is lacking", so that's probably where you're a little gray on exactly what my view on this topic is.



As I said, depending on who we may be passing on, I could definitely see a scenario where I would be for saving a scholarship and rolling it over. If we can land a class of Bone, Okogie, Johnson, Fulkerson and Fernando I think you do it though, and if you're finding the going easier in 2017 and only have one open scholarship, then you start exploring your roster and thinking of potential ways to free up a spot or two.
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I wasn't saying you on the relationship thing but it does seen to be a consensus here.


Bone seems to be the only recruit of the group we would have high expectations for playing significant minutes in year 1.

Pass on at least 1 and go find a guy that is immediately ready. At worst nothing is lost. At best you have an elite player like we all hoped crb would recruit
 
#849
#849
BruinVol said:
I wasn't saying you on the relationship thing but it does seen to be a consensus here.


Bone seems to be the only recruit of the group we would have high expectations for playing significant minutes in year 1.

Pass on at least 1 and go find a guy that is immediately ready. At worst nothing is lost. At best you have an elite player like we all hoped crb would recruit
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Agree on Bone

Okogie is a guy like Richardson who because of his defensive ability and willingness to rebound could log minutes immediately IMO

Jalen Johnson has potential through the roof, he's basically a 6'6" Detrick Mostella, losing as much as we will on the wing I could see where he plays a few minutes year one

Fulkerson has to get stronger, if he is able to do that I could see him getting some minutes at the 4 in year 1, albeit not a lot

Fernando is who I included in that scenario and it's likely he's the highest rated of this whole group, so how would you make a case to pass on him even though he may be the least likely to contribute immediately?
 
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