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germanicus said:
For those with a Rivals subscription, he's a thread con the relative merits of Fulkerson/Williams vs Ado/Blackwell from perspectives of two of their analysts.

http://forums.rivals.com/threads/eric-tennessee-seems-to-have-prioritized.238433/#post-6049088
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Thanks for posting, good to have some other insight besides VQ.

For those without a sub, it's Eric Bossi (national analyst) and Dan Maconald (Georgia analyst)...they basically confirm that Blackell and Ado's stock has plummeted, but Bossi said he wouldn't take Fulkerson/Williams over Blackwell/Ado, but admits he hasn't seen Fulkerson play. Bossi was pretty complimentary of Williams, and Macdonald said he's heard mixed reviews on Fulk but also admits to not having seen him play. Bossi goes on to say the coaches were really hamstringed in the '16 class with lack of evaluation days and getting a late start as they were still putting together the '15 class into April and May, '17 looking better.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Thanks for posting, good to have some other insight besides VQ.

For those without a sub, it's Eric Bossi (national analyst) and Dan Maconald (Georgia analyst)...they basically confirm that Blackell and Ado's stock has plummeted, but Bossi said he wouldn't take Fulkerson/Williams over Blackwell/Ado, but admits he hasn't seen Fulkerson play. Bossi was pretty complimentary of Williams, and Macdonald said he's heard mixed reviews on Fulk but also admits to not having seen him play. Bossi goes on to say the coaches were really hamstringed in the '16 class with lack of evaluation days and getting a late start as they were still putting together the '15 class into April and May, '17 looking better.
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Correct me if I took it the wrong way, but thE impression I got was two kids who are likely at least a couple of years away from contributing a lot.
 
#805
#805
We keep talking about stock dropping like that means a kid isn't going be a good player

Glad some of you aren't my stock broker

I will take my 90$ share that was 100$ a year ago over another stock that has risen from 3 to 5$ Any day of the week and twice on Sunday!
 
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germanicus said:
Correct me if I took it the wrong way, but thE impression I got was two kids who are likely at least a couple of years away from contributing a lot.
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Yes I agree, but that's not a shock to me, I've said the upside to Fulk is potential and not immediate contribution. Fulk is a 4/5, Williams is either a 3/4 or a 4/5, Tennessee has McGhee/Kasongo/Alexander in the post developing, so ideally you don't need either to come in and contribute right away.

If there's a position you need immediate contribution it's PG IMO
 
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BruinVol said:
We keep talking about stock dropping like that means a kid isn't going be a good player

Glad some of you aren't my stock broker

I will take my 90$ share that was 100$ a year ago over another stock that has risen from 3 to 5$ Any day of the week and twice on Sunday!
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2 year ago if I say pick De'Riante Jenkins or Braxton Blackwell, who are you picking?

What about that same question today?

Alright then.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
2 year ago if I say pick De'Riante Jenkins or Braxton Blackwell, who are you picking?

What about that same question today?

Alright then.
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So are we comparing Jenkins/Blackwell??

Because if we are I will take the stock that went from 80 to 90$ over the one that went from 100 to 90$.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Jenkins stock was not 80, 90 or 100 two years ago, so your statement is inaccurate
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Lol

Well so now we have a time machine?

If so recruiting would be soooo easy!


Fact is we are making a decision right now in the present. That Shouldn't be hard to understand
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes I agree, but that's not a shock to me, I've said the upside to Fulk is potential and not immediate contribution. Fulk is a 4/5, Williams is either a 3/4 or a 4/5, Tennessee has McGhee/Kasongo/Alexander in the post developing, so ideally you don't need either to come in and contribute right away.

If there's a position you need immediate contribution it's PG IMO
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And, this is more a personal preference, but if I'm in Barnes' position , I'm not taking kids who might be able to play in two-three years at positions where you are currently well-stocked. I hold those scholarships for a class where - if relationships really were the critical missing ingredient - you have had time to build the relationships. Or, I hold them for Spring when transfers and guys springing loose from commitments are abundant. I was a lot more impressed with Barnes' Spring signing efforts than I am with this Fall. Why not try that again? Again, not like this will change. Just my POV.
 
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germanicus said:
And, this is more a personal preference, but if I'm in Barnes' position , I'm not taking kids who might be able to play in two-three years at positions where you are currently well-stocked. I hold those scholarships
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Lol

Something BTO has enjoyed arguing both sides of the fence

When it fit his side it was smart to hold on to the spot and now when it doesn't it's all about finding that guy that can RS and be a 6-7 guy in the roster in his 4th year in the program
 
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BruinVol said:
Lol

Well so now we have a time machine?

If so recruiting would be soooo easy!


Fact is we are making a decision right now in the present. That Shouldn't be hard to understand
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I recall you asking me a hypothetical question a week or two ago, and I answered it at your request, you can't do the same?
 
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germanicus said:
And, this is more a personal preference, but if I'm in Barnes' position , I'm not taking kids who might be able to play in two-three years at positions where you are currently well-stocked. I hold those scholarships for a class where - if relationships really were the critical missing ingredient - you have had time to build the relationships. Or, I hold them for Spring when transfers and guys springing loose from commitments are abundant. I was a lot more impressed with Barnes' Spring signing efforts than I am with this Fall. Why not try that again? Again, not like this will change. Just my POV.
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If you sign 4 in November there's still room for 1 come spring, no?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So then it makes sense, label that previous post as pointless then.
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Yes it makes sense now for sure because the staff pissed away any chance to get Blackwell/Ado. They put all their eggs into Jenkins/Williams basket and got lazy thinking both were in the bag IMO.
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes it makes sense now for sure because the staff pissed away any chance to get Blackwell/Ado. They put all their eggs into Jenkins/Williams basket and got lazy thinking both were in the bag IMO.
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They never offered Ado so that seems like more than a foolish statement to me, they clearly were never even slightly interested in him. As for Blackell, as evidenced by their unwillingness to accommodate him this weekend, and push any potential visit to after Okogie/Bone/Williams/Jenkins/Fulkerson/Johnson all have visited ahold tell you exactly what they were thinking in terms of Blackwell.


Very simply put, and what you don't seem to be grasping, is that this staff definitely didn't want Ado, and don't really want Blackwell. This staff identified about 6-7 guys they really liked, and those are the guys they are really after. NOW, whether that turns out to be the right move or not only time will tell...how many guys would posters have said Martin should've taken over Richardson? This staff has made their evaluations and are trusting them, you yourself have said you can't judge a recruit for 2-3 years, if 2-3 of Bone/Okogie/Johnson/Williams/Fulkerson end up being 2-3 year starters and making an all-sec team then all this looks pretty damn foolish.
 
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Yes BTO I know the staff didn't want ADO or Blackwell from the start.


They wanted and thought they were going to fill their class with fulkerson/Williams/Jenkins.


The staff overestimated their ability to get who they targeted and for that they deserve criticism because either they chose to ignore their backup plans or got lazy.

They should have wanted Balckwell and/or Ado considering their other failures IMO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
This staff has made their evaluations and are trusting them, you yourself have said you can't judge a recruit for 2-3 years, if 2-3 of Bone/Okogie/Johnson/Williams/Fulkerson end up being 2-3 year starters and making an all-sec team then all this looks pretty damn foolish.
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Being 2-3 year starters and making an All-SEC team are pretty wide variances. Being 2 year starters on 15-16 win teams, not so hot. Two or three of those guys being All-SEC, outstanding. I'd be happy for two of them to be starters on NCAA tournament teams, one of them to be All-SEC (first, second or third) and the rest to get recruited over, quickly.
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes BTO I know the staff didn't want ADO or Blackwell from the start.


They wanted and thought they were going to fill their class with fulkerson/Williams/Jenkins.


The staff overestimated their ability to get who they targeted and for that they deserve criticism because either they chose to ignore their backup plans or got lazy.

They should have wanted Balckwell and/or Ado considering their other failures IMO.
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The only person they've missed on was Jenkins, not sure of many staffs who hit on all their top targets. They landed Bone, so right now they're 1/2, if they miss on Williams/Okogie/Fulkerson then you've got a point.

"their other failures" once again is multiple, they've only missed on one of their main targets.
 
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germanicus said:
Being 2-3 year starters and making an All-SEC team are pretty wide variances. Being 2 year starters on 15-16 win teams, not so hot. Two or three of those guys being All-SEC, outstanding. I'd be happy for two of them to be starters on NCAA tournament teams, one of them to be All-SEC (first, second or third) and the rest to get recruited over, quickly.
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Bump this in ~3 years I guess
 
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Per VQ staff has started to turn some attention to the class of 2017, which is expected to be a pretty small class. Ideally this is where the staff can bring in at least 2 highly touted/immediate impact/high level players, and the belief seems to be they'll be looking for bigs. They checked in on #11 per 247 Ikey Obiagu, along with #88 per 247 Michael Durr. They're also putting in the effort early on Isaiah Stokes who's ranked #113 by 247, and are in good early with #63 per 247 Rayshaun Hammonds who camped at Tennessee in June and has plans to visit for a football game this fall.
 
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