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bleedingTNorange said:
There's a legitimate case you could make that he would be the best incoming player to ever sign with Tennessee. Now let me say, I am not old enough to recall the recruitment of King, and obviously recruiting services weren't around then, so I could be wrong. However, when going back the last 15-20 years I think you could make a very strong case for Yurtseven.

Now with that said, there's also always a bust factor, Skal was supposedly going to be the greatest thing since Kareem, and now many question if he should even enter the draft, you never know how a guy will adjust to the college game, but the odds are very high Yurtseven will do very well.
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Ernie, Bernie and Dale Ellis were all top 20 kids. James Ratiff was No 3 in 1978. Vince Yarbrough was No. 1 his year. This kid would be a great prospect, but it's a little early to say best ever.
 
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germanicus said:
Ernie, Bernie and Dale Ellis were all top 20 kids. James Ratiff was No 3 in 1978. Vince Yarbrough was No. 1 his year. This kid would be a great prospect, but it's a little early to say best ever.
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They had recruiting services in the 70's? Nation wide? Would love to look at those, is it a service that's still around?

So then last 15 years would likely be an accurate statement, no 15-20?
 
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VQ on Bowden...

He doesn't have an offer yet. Tennessee has explained their numbers' situation to him and told him they'd like for him to come up for a visit sometime soon. That's where things stand for now. I don't know that it sounds like things will work out unless they completely whiff on bigs and/or have a lot of roster movement. Obviously something to keep an eye on as there's some interest, and I think he'd love to be here, but just doesn't feel like the timing is great at the moment.

I wouldn't call it a miss at all because obviously this staff wasn't here until last spring and he has only really blown up in the last six weeks, but I'm kind of guessing they wish he would have popped up on the radar last fall.
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BruinVol said:
Good news on daniels. Zero confidence from me on that one


From what I understand both the school losing the kid and getting the transfer would be hurt with apr scores if a kid transfers. As for the school receiving the kid they will be hurt if the kid doesn't get their grad degree
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Why even allow it if you are going to punish all parties involved? Just outlaw it altogether instead of generating a bunch more red tape (a favorite pastime of the NCAA). So stupid.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
They had recruiting services in the 70's? Nation wide? Would love to look at those, is it a service that's still around?

So then last 15 years would likely be an accurate statement, no 15-20?
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There were a few, mostly available probably only by microfilm now -Street and Smiths Magazine, Parade Magazine, Scholastic Sports (remember Moses Malone on the cover in 73 or 74) and a guy named Bill Brill out of Virginia. McDonald's AA started in 77.
 
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germanicus said:
There were a few, mostly available probably only by microfilm now -Street and Smiths Magazine, Parade Magazine, Scholastic Sports (remember Moses Malone on the cover in 73 or 74) and a guy named Bill Brill out of Virginia. McDonald's AA started in 77.
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Van Coleman ran one for a long time until he kind of got pushed out by all the new Johnny come lately's. Van was more of an insider's type thing and I used to get his report years ago. I thought he evaluated Midwest guys too high in relation to the south. A lot of the ratings in the 70's came from the elite by invitation only camps ran by Howard Garfinkel and Sonny Vaccaro. They would rank the kids more by position than composite ratings.
 
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If everyone on the current list makes it in it could be a big weekend for unofficial visitors. Signee Jordan Bone is expected in and the real good news is that he’s expected to be accompanied by his Ensworth teammate, class of 2019 standout James Wiseman. Only a freshman, Wiseman is already drawing heavy interest from high-majors and is an early candidate to be the top prospect in the state in his class.

The visitor list is heavy on youngsters, 2019 Charlotte wing Myles Pierre, 2018 Charlotte guard Rafeal Jenkins, 2018 shooting guard Andrew Taylor, 2018 guard Trevon Faulkner from Harrodsburg, Ky., 2018 forward Mickey Pearson from Elizabethtown, Ky. and 2017 point guard Tray Hollowell from Hopkinsville, Ky. are all potential unofficial visitors for the weekend.

The staff has hit the road hard this week, spending time in South Florida, North Carolina and Kentucky.

The Vols were in Florida watching four-star forward Tyler Polley, four-star big man Victor Uyaelumno and five-star guard Hamidou Diallo.


The staff was looking way down the road in North Carolina this week, evaluating a trio of 2019 prospects in the 2019 class; forward Joey Baker and point guard Malik Johnson.


In Kentucky this week the staff checked in on guard Tavin Lovan in Franklin.
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bleedingTNorange said:
VQ on Bowden...
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Fair or not, our fan base is going to hold this one against Barnes if LSU and Texas end up offering this kid and his stock continues to rise and he ends up going to one of those places or Marquette.

UCONN has been in to watch him as well. I can't imagine the reaction if a kid who grew up 5 minutes from Thompson Boling ends up going to UCONN to play ball.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Fair or not, our fan base is going to hold this one against Barnes if LSU and Texas end up offering this kid and his stock continues to rise and he ends up going to one of those places or Marquette.

UCONN has been in to watch him as well. I can't imagine the reaction if a kid who grew up 5 minutes from Thompson Boling ends up going to UCONN to play ball.
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It will be similar to the Lee Humphrey backlash, and the history and facts, much like in that situation, will probably be largely forgotten or ignored altogether, making it look like we just passed or took another guard in his place when that wasn't necessarily true.

Just bad timing and circumstances in both situations.
 
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cncchris33 said:
It will be similar to the Lee Humphrey backlash, and the history and facts, much like in that situation, will probably be largely forgotten or ignored altogether, making it look like we just passed or took another guard in his place when that wasn't necessarily true.

Just bad timing and circumstances in both situations.
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Correct. IMO, not pursuing Dre Mathieu hurt a lot worse than not pursuing Lee Humphrey.
 
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cncchris33 said:
It will be similar to the Lee Humphrey backlash, and the history and facts, much like in that situation, will probably be largely forgotten or ignored altogether, making it look like we just passed or took another guard in his place when that wasn't necessarily true.

Just bad timing and circumstances in both situations.
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There really has been a lot of bad timing/circumstances.

However, I will say that I think Barnes is guilty of filling up too soon with guards. I think we are gonna end up wishing we had left a spot open this spring for Bowden because I think he is better than at least one of the guards we signed and possibly more.

Obviously admitting that I could be considered biased in this case.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Fair or not, our fan base is going to hold this one against Barnes if LSU and Texas end up offering this kid and his stock continues to rise and he ends up going to one of those places or Marquette.

UCONN has been in to watch him as well. I can't imagine the reaction if a kid who grew up 5 minutes from Thompson Boling ends up going to UCONN to play ball.
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I agree, this weekend could impact his recruitment, I imagine Barnes is going to stay in contact with Bowden and try to keep him uncommitted as long as possible. If ADR leaves this weekend uncommitted I thinks it's possible the staff extends an offer to Bowden, or if they get win 2 guys are leaving they'll offer him.

Right now they're recruiting with what seems to be 2 scholarships available, one seems to be for ADR and the other is hoping for Yurtseven, but likely a grad transfer if they miss on Yurtseven. So like I said, it'll either have to be them missing on ADR this weekend, or getting word someone else has decided to leave the team.

This one will definitely end up being followed if he doesn't end up at Tennessee, whether it's in comparison to ADR, or in comparison to any of the 5 early signees, he will be compared frequently I would imagine.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
There really has been a lot of bad timing/circumstances.

However, I will say that I think Barnes is guilty of filling up too soon with guards. I think we are gonna end up wishing we had left a spot open this spring for Bowden because I think he is better than at least one of the guards we signed and possibly more.

Obviously admitting that I could be considered biased in this case.
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I think he loaded up on the whole Fall class too soon. Get Bone and Parker locked down then be patient. But that's just me.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
There really has been a lot of bad timing/circumstances.

However, I will say that I think Barnes is guilty of filling up too soon with guards. I think we are gonna end up wishing we had left a spot open this spring for Bowden because I think he is better than at least one of the guards we signed and possibly more.

Obviously admitting that I could be considered biased in this case.
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I did try to think about that topic, is there a current guard signee I would trade him for, and I'm not sure that's an obvious yes.

It can't be Bone IMO because he's a PG and that's something we need, so then you go to Parker. At one time he was a top 75 player before his injury, he's still hovering around the top 100 mark and has developed nicely his senior season so I wouldn't trade him for Parker. That leaves Johnson, and I think that's likely the most debatable one, but even with that said Johnson currently holds the better ranking and offer list, so I'm not sure that's a clear cut answer either. I do think immediately Bowden could contribute more than Johnson, but I think Johnson is a perfect redshirt candidate to help add to the small '17 class and that he's a guy by his RS sophomore year will be a very impactful guy.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Fair or not, our fan base is going to hold this one against Barnes if LSU and Texas end up offering this kid and his stock continues to rise and he ends up going to one of those places or Marquette.

UCONN has been in to watch him as well. I can't imagine the reaction if a kid who grew up 5 minutes from Thompson Boling ends up going to UCONN to play ball.
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I feel like we should have at least shown interest when he was having those breakout performances (and maybe we did, but I don't think we did).. Its like colleges had to wait to see what he did against better competition.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
There really has been a lot of bad timing/circumstances.

However, I will say that I think Barnes is guilty of filling up too soon with guards. I think we are gonna end up wishing we had left a spot open this spring for Bowden because I think he is better than at least one of the guards we signed and possibly more.

Obviously admitting that I could be considered biased in this case.
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There is maybe some truth to that, but also hindsight is 20/20. There was just as good a chance that Bowden didn't blow up like he has, and in recruiting, sometimes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Had Bowden blown up like he has recently a year ago, we likely aren't having this conversation and Bowden is a Tennessee signee. Again, simply bad timing.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I did try to think about that topic, is there a current guard signee I would trade him for, and I'm not sure that's an obvious yes.

It can't be Bone IMO because he's a PG and that's something we need, so then you go to Parker. At one time he was a top 75 player before his injury, he's still hovering around the top 100 mark and has developed nicely his senior season so I wouldn't trade him for Parker. That leaves Johnson, and I think that's likely the most debatable one, but even with that said Johnson currently holds the better ranking and offer list, so I'm not sure that's a clear cut answer either. I do think immediately Bowden could contribute more than Johnson, but I think Johnson is a perfect redshirt candidate to help add to the small '17 class and that he's a guy by his RS sophomore year will be a very impactful guy.
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Hard to think you're signing kids who won't be impactful until three seasons in. I know it happens, but usually that's an accident, not a plan.
 
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germanicus said:
But that was because he was playing behind two five stars (Scotty and Tobias) and another top 100 guy (Cam Tatum). Johnson won't be in that situation.
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McRae also played behind Skyler McBee.

Sure, you don't recruit players to sit the bench but there's going to be guys that don't have a big impact until they are juniors and seniors.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
McRae also played behind Skyler McBee.

Sure, you don't recruit players to sit the bench but there's going to be guys that don't have a big impact until they are juniors and seniors.
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All true. Just a tougher pill when you don't have the luxury of recruiting those guys for depth.
 
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