Reality vs Expectation

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jackieaprilesr

jackieaprilesr

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everyday, there is a new thread regarding the UT's current state recruiting. starting to see more and more people post about how UT is losing out on recruits and that our coaching staff cant close.

whats the best way to recruit? WINNING.

until then, you have to give credit to the CURRENT administration and staff for what they have been able to do in 18 months. in the last 18 months, the entire school administration has been completely overhauled, not just athletics. yet, UT fans still expect for parents to send their kids to a school where the leadership has been a laughing stock for the last 10 years.

in the face of all that, Pruitt and Co. were able to CLOSE two 5 star, future NFL Offensive Lineman in Morris and Wright, Quartavious Crouch who was the #1 player in the country until he was unable to play his senior year and chose UT over Clemson, Eric Gray 3x Mr Tennessee and chose UT over Michigan, Henry To'oto'o who chose UT over Alabama, Ramel Keyton who chose UT over Georgia, and land DeAngelo Gibbs from Georgia and Aubrey Solomon from Michigan.

anyone who says that UT is not headed in the right direction after seeing Pruitt's first true recruiting class after going 5-7 is out of their mind. Pruitt was able to get kids to choose UT over Alabama and Clemson after both of those teams played for the NC.

and on top of all that, Pruitt is the first developmental coach UT has had in 10 years. not only does that equate to winning but it also equates to these players being drafted and playing in the NFL. How do UT fans expect to land 5 stars if the team is 5-7 and produces zero NFL draft picks???? yet, Pruitt did land TWO 5-stars.

when UT begins winning on regular basis and producing NFL draft picks again, recruiting will definitely become easier.

until then, give credit where credit is due and be patient. UT has to win on the field, period.

other than that, i know that Pruitt will not only recruit better than Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch ever did and will develop these players to the NFL.

you guys should too
 
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Very few elite recruits really care about winning. Most elite recruits want that N.F.L. $$$$. They want a school/ coach that can get them to the N.F.L. $$$$. Lots of schools have N.F.L. draftees without a whole lot of winning a national championship or even CFB playoffs. Now, considering Tennessee' past decade, those teams with NFL talent are usually better.

If CJP can get some kids drafted in the next couple of year then yes recruiting will be easier. Hopefully, he has the staff to develop NFL type talet. Lord knows that previous staffs could not develop a future hall of famer into a good pee wee football player. The byproduct of all this will be more winning than in the past decade. If he can develop all this and get enough NFL talent to buy into this program then we can start talking national championship.
 
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Someone follow some coaches home and see how thier WAGs look? The Franklin Doctrine tells us that's the litmus test for closing.
 
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livefaith said:
I heard a coach once say it takes 5-7 years to build a program. Must've been a smart guy.
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Well, that guy, in his 5th year, had not only not “built” his program, he had in fact cratered it. He was a blithering idiot and anybody who follows college football knows that his 5 to 7 years comment was nothing more than illegitimate, self-serving crap.
 
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KBVol said:
Well, that guy, in his 5th year, had not only not “built” his program, he had in fact cratered it. He was a blithering idiot and anybody who follows college football knows that his 5 to 7 years comment was nothing more than illegitimate, self-serving crap.
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Agree, I think that was the "car salesman" in him....just trying to buy some time.
 
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jackieaprilesr said:
everyday, there is a new thread regarding the UT's current state recruiting. starting to see more and more people post about how UT is losing out on recruits and that our coaching staff cant close.

whats the best way to recruit? WINNING.

until then, you have to give credit to the CURRENT administration and staff for what they have been able to do in 18 months. in the last 18 months, the entire school administration has been completely overhauled, not just athletics. yet, UT fans still expect for parents to send their kids to a school where the leadership has been a laughing stock for the last 10 years.

in the face of all that, Pruitt and Co. were able to CLOSE two 5 star, future NFL Offensive Lineman in Morris and Wright, Quartavious Crouch who was the #1 player in the country until he was unable to play his senior year and chose UT over Clemson, Eric Gray 3x Mr Tennessee and chose UT over Michigan, Henry To'oto'o who chose UT over Alabama, Ramel Keyton who chose UT over Georgia, and land DeAngelo Gibbs from Georgia and Aubrey Solomon from Michigan.

anyone who says that UT is not headed in the right direction after seeing Pruitt's first true recruiting class after going 5-7 is out of their mind. Pruitt was able to get kids to choose UT over Alabama and Clemson after both of those teams played for the NC.

and on top of all that, Pruitt is the first developmental coach UT has had in 10 years. not only does that equate to winning but it also equates to these players being drafted and playing in the NFL. How do UT fans expect to land 5 stars if the team is 5-7 and produces zero NFL draft picks???? yet, Pruitt did land TWO 5-stars.

when UT begins winning on regular basis and producing NFL draft picks again, recruiting will definitely become easier.

until then, give credit where credit is due and be patient. UT has to win on the field, period.

other than that, i know that Pruitt will not only recruit better than Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch ever did and will develop these players to the NFL.

you guys should too
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From 1993-1997 Fulmer's classes were ranked #3, #1, #8, #7, and #1, so you might want to slow your roll a little in regard to claiming that Pruitt will outdo Fulmer in recruiting:

ESPN.com: NCF - Tracking the Top 10 1993-97

Also, during Fulmer's tenure we consistently were among the top five schools in the country in terms of number of players drafted. Surpassing the likes of the other three "coaches" you mention, easy to do; Fulmer, not so much.
 
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Anyone who says the program is headed in the right direction... is out of their mind. Truth is we don't know yet. We don't have enough information yet. Last year wasn't a great first step. No need to whitewash it. If 5-7 is excusable then our standards are a bigger problem than who the coach is. And yes... there were other winnable games, beatable opponents that UT laid eggs against.

Recruiting at this point isn't necessarily going to match Bama et al. Winning has its own rewards. But UT needs to win some battles and they MUST find 3* players who play like 5* while avoiding the 5* and 4* duds. Again... few if any here have the first clue as to whether Pruitt is or is not doing that.
 
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It's a vicious circle. I am still holding out hope for Pruitt, but the proof is in the record. Win games and everything else will take care of itself, unless you are Lyle Jones and have no idea what you are doing.
 
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People expecting to go from 4-8 to 9 win seasons in 3 years with our offense:

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jackieaprilesr said:
everyday, there is a new thread regarding the UT's current state recruiting. starting to see more and more people post about how UT is losing out on recruits and that our coaching staff cant close.

whats the best way to recruit? WINNING.

until then, you have to give credit to the CURRENT administration and staff for what they have been able to do in 18 months. in the last 18 months, the entire school administration has been completely overhauled, not just athletics. yet, UT fans still expect for parents to send their kids to a school where the leadership has been a laughing stock for the last 10 years.

in the face of all that, Pruitt and Co. were able to CLOSE two 5 star, future NFL Offensive Lineman in Morris and Wright, Quartavious Crouch who was the #1 player in the country until he was unable to play his senior year and chose UT over Clemson, Eric Gray 3x Mr Tennessee and chose UT over Michigan, Henry To'oto'o who chose UT over Alabama, Ramel Keyton who chose UT over Georgia, and land DeAngelo Gibbs from Georgia and Aubrey Solomon from Michigan.

anyone who says that UT is not headed in the right direction after seeing Pruitt's first true recruiting class after going 5-7 is out of their mind. Pruitt was able to get kids to choose UT over Alabama and Clemson after both of those teams played for the NC.

and on top of all that, Pruitt is the first developmental coach UT has had in 10 years. not only does that equate to winning but it also equates to these players being drafted and playing in the NFL. How do UT fans expect to land 5 stars if the team is 5-7 and produces zero NFL draft picks???? yet, Pruitt did land TWO 5-stars.

when UT begins winning on regular basis and producing NFL draft picks again, recruiting will definitely become easier.

until then, give credit where credit is due and be patient. UT has to win on the field, period.

other than that, i know that Pruitt will not only recruit better than Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch ever did and will develop these players to the NFL.

you guys should too
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Thanks for being someone who actually understands football and applies it well. Others speak out of there a**
 
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jackieaprilesr said:
everyday, there is a new thread regarding the UT's current state recruiting. starting to see more and more people post about how UT is losing out on recruits and that our coaching staff cant close.

whats the best way to recruit? WINNING.

until then, you have to give credit to the CURRENT administration and staff for what they have been able to do in 18 months. in the last 18 months, the entire school administration has been completely overhauled, not just athletics. yet, UT fans still expect for parents to send their kids to a school where the leadership has been a laughing stock for the last 10 years.

in the face of all that, Pruitt and Co. were able to CLOSE two 5 star, future NFL Offensive Lineman in Morris and Wright, Quartavious Crouch who was the #1 player in the country until he was unable to play his senior year and chose UT over Clemson, Eric Gray 3x Mr Tennessee and chose UT over Michigan, Henry To'oto'o who chose UT over Alabama, Ramel Keyton who chose UT over Georgia, and land DeAngelo Gibbs from Georgia and Aubrey Solomon from Michigan.

anyone who says that UT is not headed in the right direction after seeing Pruitt's first true recruiting class after going 5-7 is out of their mind. Pruitt was able to get kids to choose UT over Alabama and Clemson after both of those teams played for the NC.

and on top of all that, Pruitt is the first developmental coach UT has had in 10 years. not only does that equate to winning but it also equates to these players being drafted and playing in the NFL. How do UT fans expect to land 5 stars if the team is 5-7 and produces zero NFL draft picks???? yet, Pruitt did land TWO 5-stars.

when UT begins winning on regular basis and producing NFL draft picks again, recruiting will definitely become easier.

until then, give credit where credit is due and be patient. UT has to win on the field, period.

other than that, i know that Pruitt will not only recruit better than Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch ever did and will develop these players to the NFL.

you guys should too
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Tldr, ok, you win.
 
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Is it just me or has the off season gotten more brutal quicker this year than most? Could be my memory is bad. But its just May and the ripping and roaring is in full swing with predictions spinning like cotton candy at the fair. Why would ANYONE want their pre-season picks (especially the ones that are so sure of themselves) to be recorded here for everyone to see how wrong they were? SMH
 
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lifeisdeep said:
From 1993-1997 Fulmer's classes were ranked #3, #1, #8, #7, and #1, so you might want to slow your roll a little in regard to claiming that Pruitt will outdo Fulmer in recruiting:

ESPN.com: NCF - Tracking the Top 10 1993-97

Also, during Fulmer's tenure we consistently were among the top five schools in the country in terms of number of players drafted. Surpassing the likes of the other three "coaches" you mention, easy to do; Fulmer, not so much.
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i can agree with your stats. but we all know Fulmer was fired for getting lazy in recruiting after 2003, especially in the QB department. also, Fulmer had 2 coordinators for a decade and a stable administration in Dickey. unheard of in todays game.
 
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