Realistically Dooley gets 4 years

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Rudy123 said:
I am not attempting to rationalize the teams peformance BUT... (1) Had the situation gone differently at LSU, we would have had a 7th win last season. That was not Dooley's fault. The ref's or the D Coordinator, maybe, but not Dooley's.
(2) Had the situation gone differently in the bowl game, we would have had our 8th win for the season. That was clearly the ref's fault, not Dooleys' fault.
(3) Had Lather's, Jantzen, Bray & Hunter's situations
been different, we would have beaten UGA, USC and possibly Florida. Our record would now be 5 wins or 6 wins with a Florida victory.
(4) Had Dooley made some bone headed calls or had some poor game planning or had he been out coached, then I would tend to say that he is part to blame. As it is though, I can't say that he is to blame.
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#4, so your saying Dooley hasnt been out coached ?I like Dooley and all but to say he hasnt been out coached or made some bone headed calls is just pathetic.So ever lost is on somebody else other than Dooley? I guess all these wins over these big time schools is because he out cocached the other teams?
But to say he doesnt get any blame for our losts is a joke.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
We will have most of the offense coming back as juniors. The defense will mainly consist of juniors and a few sophomores. Excuse time is over, just win baby.
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i understand what your saying,but I'm thinking it will be the players coming in behind this group of players,that will tell how good Dooley is or isn't
 
#79
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checkerboards09 said:
If he wins, yes. You can't go 6-6 or 7-5 for 3 years at UT and expect to keep your job. Not happening.
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You might be wrong. Dooley's buyout begins to fall each February starting in '13. Until then, it is $5 million. Until '14, it is $4 million. Until '15, $2.5 million.

Assuming it would be paid over 5 years, his buyout takes between $500K and $1 million from what you can pay a replacement. Assuming there won't be alot of appetite for going after another possible "up and coming" coach... it will take $4 million+ per year.
 
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sjt18 said:
You might be wrong. Dooley's buyout begins to fall each February starting in '13. Until then, it is $5 million. Until '14, it is $4 million. Until '15, $2.5 million.

Assuming it would be paid over 5 years, his buyout takes between $500K and $1 million from what you can pay a replacement. Assuming there won't be alot of appetite for going after another possible "up and coming" coach... it will take $4 million+ per year.
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Sounds like another great contract by Hamilton. Man i think he might be the gift that keeps on giving not Kiffin.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
he'll get minimum 5 years and I'd give him 6.....place is a mess....

Also Hart would make that call, and I'll wager Dooley is part of the reason Hart was hired...and Hart while it's true he went Alabama, is clearly not the idiot Hamilton was or many who post here.

We need stability to recruit......other wise we get two decades of the idiocy that was Alabama trying to replace the Bear.

Besides all of that, Tn doesn't have the budget to recruit anyone bigger as head coach...and not many bigger want to join a program now known to have played Caeser gets stabbed in the quad mid season with the coach who won them a NC title, and gave 25 plus years.....everyone knows that what a program does to it's own they'll do worse to an outsider. We lost some serious respect by alot of coaches by the way that was handled.
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You would be wrong
 
#82
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sjt18 said:
You might be wrong. Dooley's buyout begins to fall each February starting in '13. Until then, it is $5 million. Until '14, it is $4 million. Until '15, $2.5 million.

Assuming it would be paid over 5 years, his buyout takes between $500K and $1 million from what you can pay a replacement. Assuming there won't be alot of appetite for going after another possible "up and coming" coach... it will take $4 million+ per year.
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Irrelevant.

If he doesn't show significant improvement next year, he's gone.
 
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saxvol said:
I agree with you on 4 years, he needs to go by then if we are not doing much better, then we get to start this dreadful madness all over again. Go vols!
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Yeah,lets do this every 3 years,it helps so much with recruiting trying to predict when the coach is leaving.

Most you of you "fans" have no clue.
 
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justingroves said:
Irrelevant.

If he doesn't show significant improvement next year, he's gone.
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Sorry but money is never irrelevant. Besides that... there is no way he's gone next year. UT would then be paying his buyout at $1 million per year plus Fulmer's at $1.5 until the next year. In short, they wouldn't be able to afford the type of replacment everyone expects.
 
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sjt18 said:
Sorry but money is never irrelevant. Besides that... there is no way he's gone next year. UT would then be paying his buyout at $1 million per year plus Fulmer's at $1.5 until the next year. In short, they wouldn't be able to afford the type of replacment everyone expects.
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In this case it is. You're losing more money trotting out a bad football team to a crowd of 80,000 than buying him out and getting a proven coach.

There's two ways he can be gone next year:

1) He can be fired for not winning enough games

2) He could take another job

Barring a rash of injuries, he has to earn a 4th year on the sidelines.

Hart didn't hire him, Cheek doesn't like him and he's a WAC loser. He doesn't have the resume to withstand 3 mediocre years at a place like Tennessee regardless of the situation he's in.

He has to prove he should be here next year.
 
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fade route said:
He gets 3, not more.
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If I remember correctly, Dooley who is a lawyer has a pretty good buyout (5 million ?) if he is let go after next season. Since Hamilton did such a bad job with the finances, I would think Hart would probably give Dooley until closer to his 6 year contract to limit the buyout amount.

However, I personally think that after next year and 2013 people will be singing Dooley's praises and calling for his contract to be extended. JMO.
 
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justingroves said:
In this case it is. You're losing more money trotting out a bad football team to a crowd of 80,000 than buying him out and getting a proven coach.

There's two ways he can be gone next year:

1) He can be fired for not winning enough games

2) He could take another job

Barring a rash of injuries, he has to earn a 4th year on the sidelines.

Hart didn't hire him, Cheek doesn't like him and he's a WAC loser. He doesn't have the resume to withstand 3 mediocre years at a place like Tennessee regardless of the situation he's in.

He has to prove he should be here next year.
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It does not matter who hired him or even who likes him. If they let him go after next season, they'll have $2.5 million sunk into buyouts that cannot go toward a new coach. Unless those guys are going to take that out of their own pocket... Dooley will be the HC in '13.
 
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sjt18 said:
It does not matter who hired him or even who likes him. If they let him go after next season, they'll have $2.5 million sunk into buyouts that cannot go toward a new coach. Unless those guys are going to take that out of their own pocket... Dooley will be the HC in '13.
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Keeping a 7 win coach next year is unlikely to be the financially smart decision.
 
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sjt18 said:
It does not matter who hired him or even who likes him. If they let him go after next season, they'll have $2.5 million sunk into buyouts that cannot go toward a new coach. Unless those guys are going to take that out of their own pocket... Dooley will be the HC in '13.
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A check a booster will gladly write for a tax write off.

Tennessee loses more than that if they let a coach continue to trot out a losing team for a season.
 
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#90
They're spending what, $40 million on the new athletic facilities that's basically pissed away if you aren't winning.

Do you honestly think a $5 million buyout phases them?
 
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I am as big of a Dooley supporter as they come and I think he will get it done.. But we need 7 wins next season....7 is the absolute minimum. (We should win more). If not then it wont matter what any of us on here say, Hart will pull the plug. He will not allow us to be mediocre for long. Not on his watch. MY opinion.
 
#92
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AstonRoyal said:
four years? hell no, if he shows he can't win at Tennessee hire someone else. With a stable core of players we should be in a better positions to hire a better coach than when we started out.
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How do the Vols have a better stable of players after you get rid of Dooley? Coaches being fired and leaving is obviously not conducive to keeping a stable of good players. We have all seen that, right?
 
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#93
If the hire is made at a better time, a proven coach would likely be able to prevent bad attrition.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Keeping a 7 win coach next year is unlikely to be the financially smart decision.
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Here's the rest of the problem.

What will it take to replace him? Folks here are saying it takes a "big name" to win so what do you think? $4 million? I'm gonna say $5 million. What kind of buyout do you think that guy will want considering DD was turned out after inheriting the situation he did... after Kiffin mocked UT... after UT fired Fulmer?

Now... how many sure fire hires have failed? Weis, Kragthorpe, Hawkins, Neuheisel, Erickson, O'Brien at NCSU, Willingham, Holtz at USCe, even Spurrier at USCe considering they still haven't won the SEC after 7 years,...

The truth is... there are no sure fire hires. So when your new guy flops after 3 years with an $8 million buyout while you are still paying DD $1 million per year... what do you do then?

UT just about has to play it cold if they do end up letting him go. He just about has to get '13 to see the end of Fulmer's buyout. They then have to let him sign the '14 class and cut him loose in mid-Feb when the buyout goes down to $2.5 million.

Hopefully he short-circuits all this and wins some games... then championships.
 
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brian.kluever said:
How do the Vols have a better stable of players after you get rid of Dooley? Coaches being fired and leaving is obviously not conducive to keeping a stable of good players. We have all seen that, right?
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Catch-22. Keep him- recruiting suffers because of the talk he'll be fired. Don't keep him- recruiting suffers because you have no coaching stability.
 
#96
#96
UT is still paying fulmer millions. They can't afford to get rid of dooley, pay him more millions then hire another $3-4 million coach.
 
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sjt18 said:
Here's the rest of the problem.

What will it take to replace him? Folks here are saying it takes a "big name" to win so what do you think? $4 million? I'm gonna say $5 million. What kind of buyout do you think that guy will want considering DD was turned out after inheriting the situation he did... after Kiffin mocked UT... after UT fired Fulmer?

Now... how many sure fire hires have failed? Weis, Kragthorpe, Hawkins, Neuheisel, Erickson, O'Brien at NCSU, Willingham, Holtz at USCe, even Spurrier at USCe considering they still haven't won the SEC after 7 years,...

The truth is... there are no sure fire hires. So when your new guy flops after 3 years with an $8 million buyout while you are still paying DD $1 million per year... what do you do then?

UT just about has to play it cold if they do end up letting him go. He just about has to get '13 to see the end of Fulmer's buyout. They then have to let him sign the '14 class and cut him loose in mid-Feb when the buyout goes down to $2.5 million.

Hopefully he short-circuits all this and wins some games... then championships.
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I don't know it will be a perfect hire, but the bottom line is that when you're not winning, you have to make changes until things get better. That's what the great programs do. I'd rather be awful for a little while and then really good after that than just be consistently mediocre.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I don't know it will be a perfect hire, but the bottom line is that when you're not winning, you have to make changes until things get better. That's what the great programs do. I'd rather be awful for a little while and then really good after that than just be consistently mediocre.
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I don't doubt that a change will be made if he doesn't win. I just think he gets '13 regardless of what happens next year.

Think of it this way. They'll be sacrificing one season to free up an additional $1.5 million to get the next coach signed. They will also get the insurance policy of being able to pay both buyouts easier if it should come to that.
 
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