Realignment Desirability of Other Conferences

#26
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golfballs said:
WSJ's latest college football team ranking of schools in terms of value:
1. Texas - $1,105,493,378
2. Ohio State - $1,048,166,317
3. Alabama - $1,009,903,620
4. Michigan - $924,625,003
5. Notre Dame - $913,401,562.
6. Georgia - $891,099,506
7. Oklahoma - $885,558,053
8. Auburn - $871,907,615
9. LSU - $727,849,384
10. Tennessee - $727,849,384
11. Florida - $634,885,946
12. Texas A&M - $540,883,003
13. Penn State - $518,754,453
14. Wisconsin - $474,552,451
15. Nebraska - $471,585,561
16. Arkansas - $462,727,317
17. South Carolina - $460,753,199
18. Iowa - $458,973,690
19. Washington - $440,821,919
20. Michigan St. - $354,160,110
21. Oregon
22. Ole Miss
23. Southern Cal
24. UCLA
25. Arizona St.
26. Clemson
27. Florida St.
28. Virginia Tech
29. Kansas St.
30. Oklahoma St.
31. Kentucky
32. Minnesota
33. Texas Tech
34. Stanford
35. Mississippi St.
36. Georgia Tech
37. Utah
38. Colorado
39. Kansas
40. Cal
41. Miami (Fl)
42. TCU
43. Iowa St.
44. Indiana
45. Northwestern
46. NC State
47. Louisville
48. Arizona
49. Illinois
50. UNC
51. Maryland
52. Washington St.
53. UVA
54. Purdue
55. Oregon St.
56. Missouri
57. Syracuse
58. Pitt
59. Baylor
60. BYU
61. Vanderbilt
62. Boston College
63. Boise St.
64. Wake Forest
65. UCF
66. Duke
67. Rutgers
68. West Virginia
69. S Florida
70. UConn
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That is mindblowing that Tennessee is still ahead of schools like Florida, Texas A&M, and Penn St and has been garbage for almost 15 years now.
 
#28
#28
golfballs said:
WSJ's latest college football team ranking of schools in terms of value:
1. Texas - $1,105,493,378
2. Ohio State - $1,048,166,317
3. Alabama - $1,009,903,620
4. Michigan - $924,625,003
5. Notre Dame - $913,401,562.
6. Georgia - $891,099,506
7. Oklahoma - $885,558,053
8. Auburn - $871,907,615
9. LSU - $727,849,384
10. Tennessee - $727,849,384
11. Florida - $634,885,946
12. Texas A&M - $540,883,003
13. Penn State - $518,754,453
14. Wisconsin - $474,552,451
15. Nebraska - $471,585,561
16. Arkansas - $462,727,317
17. South Carolina - $460,753,199
18. Iowa - $458,973,690
19. Washington - $440,821,919
20. Michigan St. - $354,160,110
21. Oregon
22. Ole Miss
23. Southern Cal
24. UCLA
25. Arizona St.
26. Clemson
27. Florida St.
28. Virginia Tech
29. Kansas St.
30. Oklahoma St.
31. Kentucky
32. Minnesota
33. Texas Tech
34. Stanford
35. Mississippi St.
36. Georgia Tech
37. Utah
38. Colorado
39. Kansas
40. Cal
41. Miami (Fl)
42. TCU
43. Iowa St.
44. Indiana
45. Northwestern
46. NC State
47. Louisville
48. Arizona
49. Illinois
50. UNC
51. Maryland
52. Washington St.
53. UVA
54. Purdue
55. Oregon St.
56. Missouri
57. Syracuse
58. Pitt
59. Baylor
60. BYU
61. Vanderbilt
62. Boston College
63. Boise St.
64. Wake Forest
65. UCF
66. Duke
67. Rutgers
68. West Virginia
69. S Florida
70. UConn
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We are exactly as valuable as LSU? No other schools have identical figures.

I think someone screwed up there.
 
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The more I think of all the dominos the school that may get screwed more than anyone is Kansas State.

If we are heading towards 4 16 team conferences. I would say Iowa State is a high choice for Big 10 due to their recent emergence and obviously Iowa already being in the conference. Then between Kansas and Kansas State, Kansas basketball is too big of a brand to pass up...no matter how crap they are in football.

I see TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, and Okie State all being more desirable than K State for the PAC 12. ACC will probably offer a huge amount of money to Notre Dame to officially join and WVU makes sense, they are right there to scoop up.

That would put everyone at 16 teams. K State might be a future independent or a group of 5 team.
 
#32
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UTK said:
The more I think of all the dominos the school that may get screwed more than anyone is Kansas State.

If we are heading towards 4 16 team conferences. I would say Iowa State is a high choice for Big 10 due to their recent emergence and obviously Iowa already being in the conference. Then between Kansas and Kansas State, Kansas basketball is too big of a brand to pass up...no matter how crap they are in football.

I see TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, and Okie State all being more desirable than K State for the PAC 12. ACC will probably offer a huge amount of money to Notre Dame to officially join and WVU makes sense, they are right there to scoop up.

That would put everyone at 16 teams. K State might be a future independent or a group of 5 team.
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I kind of feel bad for K State is that is their fate. They are a scrappy, scrappy program and that's all because of Bill Snyder. There is absolutely no reason why they should be good at football or any sport for that matter. That 10-year run they went on from 1993 to 2003 was nuts.
 
#33
#33
bamawriter said:
A lot of those are fine arguments. But there's a few "Cons" to go along with those "Pros."

And, let's face it, if the Pac 12 is keeping BYU at arm's length because of the Mormon connection, they certainly aren't going to bring in the Southern Baptists. Fair or not, that's reality. Texas Tech, Okie Lite, Kansas, and maybe TCU are the only Big XII leftovers the Pac 12 would even talk to, and I'm not sold on any of those being likely.

Baylor's national championship in basketball is all well and good, but it's not going to tip the scales. UConn is one of the finest historical college basketball programs, and their football program can't even get a mid-major conference to take them.
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My understanding of the reason the Pac 12 keeping BYU "at arm's length" is due to the schools strict no play on Sunday in any sports. While that may work for football in college, other sports not so much. Every good Baptist I know certainly rushes home from church to catch the 1 pm football kickoffs. I don't believe the religious aspect is as big of an obstacle as you think. After all, Mormon (or Baptist) money spends just as well as that pulled from the wallet of an agnostic.

For the second part, didn't UCONN decide to become an indep. for football? Was it that or did they step down a level? Something a few years ago? Needless to say, I do not follow UCONN sports that much. At any rate I will take your word for it. That being said, big cultural differences between elitist Storrs and Waco freaking Texas. Let me repeat that, Texas. Where a 90 year grandmother will cut you if you say something bad about her football team (high school, college, or pro). I agree, the basketball natty is a blip on the radar-but it is recent and that is important as this conference realignment is gonna get messy in the next month. Football considerations rule all and I will guarantee there is far more interest in the Baylor football program than at UCONN.
 
#34
#34
Also.....desirably isn’t just football.
OP stated that Kansas, Baylor, Duke, and Louisville are “low Desirability?”

3 blue blood b-ball programs and a defending NC would look good in any conference.
 
#35
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05_never_again said:
I kind of feel bad for K State is that is their fate. They are a scrappy, scrappy program and that's all because of Bill Snyder. There is absolutely no reason why they should be good at football or any sport for that matter. That 10-year run they went on from 1993 to 2003 was nuts.
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Yes!!!!!

That’s the same program that lost to a 1-10 AUSTIN PEAY team in 1987. Snyder is a freaking genius. Who says JUCO players can’t win?
 
#36
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stolitonic said:
My understanding of the reason the Pac 12 keeping BYU "at arm's length" is due to the schools strict no play on Sunday in any sports. While that may work for football in college, other sports not so much. Every good Baptist I know certainly rushes home from church to catch the 1 pm football kickoffs. I don't believe the religious aspect is as big of an obstacle as you think. After all, Mormon (or Baptist) money spends just as well as that pulled from the wallet of an agnostic.

For the second part, didn't UCONN decide to become an indep. for football? Was it that or did they step down a level? Something a few years ago? Needless to say, I do not follow UCONN sports that much. At any rate I will take your word for it. That being said, big cultural differences between elitist Storrs and Waco freaking Texas. Let me repeat that, Texas. Where a 90 year grandmother will cut you if you say something bad about her football team (high school, college, or pro). I agree, the basketball natty is a blip on the radar-but it is recent and that is important as this conference realignment is gonna get messy in the next month. Football considerations rule all and I will guarantee there is far more interest in the Baylor football program than at UCONN.
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I suppose you may be right about BYU, Baylor, and the Pac 12. But that conference is run by some very different folks than the rest of the P5. I just don't see the folks in Berkeley and Palo Alto wanting to share a conference with the fine folks in Waco.

As for UConn, they wanted to leave their football in the AAC, but the conference wasn't interested.
 
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#37
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peaygolf said:
Also.....desirably isn’t just football.
OP stated that Kansas, Baylor, Duke, and Louisville are “low Desirability?”

3 blue blood b-ball programs and a defending NC would look good in any conference.
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Yes, and UCONN is also a great basketball program. What happened to them in the last round of realignment?

Conference realignment is being driven by football, and thus the schools I mentioned as “low desirability” are just that. They are either poor football programs, private schools with smaller fan bases, or not in a favorable TV market.

Kansas may get picked up by the BIG10 primarily for geography, AAU status, and basketball. Same for Iowa State (minus basketball), but they have had a good football program for a few years now.

But, strictly in football terms, the ones I mentioned are certainly low desirability.
 
#38
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bamawriter said:
I suppose you may be right about BYU, Baylor, and the Pac 12. But that conference is run by some very different folks than the rest of the P5. I just don't see the folks in Berkeley and Palo Alto wanting to share a conference with the fine folks in Waco.

As for UConn, they wanted to leave their football in the AAC, but the conference wasn't interested.
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I didn't say anything about "want" lol. My overall point was that big time $$$ create strange bedfellows. I think BYU and the Pac12 (or any major conference) may not work simply because of the Sunday thing. Baylor though?? Guess we will see if beliefs or $$$ rule the day in the end.

Houston would be the other wild card in my mind.
Assuming we go to 4 big conferences of either 64 or 80 with the SEC, B10, PAC12, and ACC. Houston in no way culturally fits the Acc or B10-of course to this day I say the same thing about Louisville and the ACC.

If things are stopped at 64, no way they make it. If 80, slots are gonna start going to some really bizarre places at around number 75 or so.
 
#39
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stolitonic said:
I didn't say anything about "want" lol. My overall point was that big time $$$ create strange bedfellows. I think BYU and the Pac12 (or any major conference) may not work simply because of the Sunday thing. Baylor though?? Guess we will see if beliefs or $$$ rule the day in the end.
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The thing is, I'm not sure Baylor brings the money. Smaller school. Smaller alumni base. Smaller stadium. Insanely long distance to every Pac 12 school.

I just don't see it.
 
#40
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bamawriter said:
The thing is, I'm not sure Baylor brings the money. Smaller school. Smaller alumni base. Smaller stadium. Insanely long distance to every Pac 12 school.

I just don't see it.
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Like I said though, it is a numbers game. If they want to get to 16 or 20 there are only so many schools to go around-what like 135 or so that are even at the top level currently? 50 of those 135 or whatever you could wipe off the board before you even start-either they only compete in a few sports, football facility that only seats 20 K, etc, etc.

That leaves 85. 60-70 are already in a P5 conference (including Baylor). Say things go to 4 mega conferences of 20, 80 teams gotta either be somewhere or know they are getting in. 10 spots for 15 teams. The math favors the Bears here.
 
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People also need to be looking at university endowment rankings. There are schools that will happily take a conference tv payout but it’s not their highest priority. Duke could buy the entire university of Alabama system four or five times over. Same for Vandy. The most flush public university in the SEC is Florida, which does not even have 1/3 of Vandy’s resources. The ACC has multiple conference members in that position.
 
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