Rattler's ability to run the ball a problem?

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JRich said:
So far, it doesn’t appears that UT’s defensive staff take much time in preparing for a particular opponent or their tendencies. They seem to be pretty headstrong in “this is our set, and this is what we do every week.” I believe it to be this way because they just don’t have the talent or experience outside of a couple of players. They still have to spend a majority of the time teaching fundamentals and mechanics. Unfortunately though, it doesn’t appear to be working.
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What are you even talking about
 
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jaxvol said:
Statics are hard. This year he has 32 attempts for 64 yards with a long of 22.

What are people seeing??

Joe is 22 attempts for 135 yards with a long of 81.

Sacks … Joe 4 and Rattler 16
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I updated the stats. Not sure about the title of this thread.
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
Last year he killed us with his legs. What is the possibility of us spying him all game, or maybe on obvious passing downs? Who would we use as the spy? I'm more worried about him extending plays with his legs vs his throwing proficiency. Discuss.
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5 rushing for 16 yards with a long of 7.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
He definitely did not kill us with his legs last year.

You may be confused because they ran a wildcat package with another player (can't remember who) that absolutely gashed us.

Rattlers only running he did was when the pocket collapsed and he escaped. Normally that would be a good thing, except the concept of him throwing the ball after rolling out completely blew our secondary's mind.
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You know what, I think you're right. My memory has gotten bad with my old age.
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
Last year he killed us with his legs. What is the possibility of us spying him all game, or maybe on obvious passing downs? Who would we use as the spy? I'm more worried about him extending plays with his legs vs his throwing proficiency. Discuss.
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Just about everything is a problem for us on D if we're being completely fair
 
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KeyVol14 said:
What are you even talking about
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They seem unprepared for their opponents on defense. I don’t believe they are able to spend much time on tendencies because most, especially in the secondary, are not capable. They don’t even have the instincts to know when the ball is in the air and turn around to make a play. They not only looked confused, but they failed to cover when Florida went in motion. Simple motion. If you start trying to spy, I’m almost certain that someone will get confused and leave open receivers. You don’t have to like it or agree, just my thoughts on what I have seen.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re right. I shouldn’t have called it “bold”. Ignorant would have been better.
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You think coaches want to take an L for the sake of holding something in the tank? What you’ve seen in 4 games is what this team is. I’m not ignorant, but perhaps you’re blind?
 
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jaxvol said:
Statics are hard. This year he has 32 attempts for 64 yards with a long of 22.

What are people seeing??

Joe is 22 attempts for 135 yards with a long of 81.

Sacks … Joe 4 and Rattler 16
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I think OP is bringing up more his escape ability, avoiding the rush, and extending plays than his actual rushing from the line of scrimmage.
 
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JRich said:
You think coaches want to take an L for the sake of holding something in the tank? What you’ve seen in 4 games is what this team is. I’m not ignorant, but perhaps you’re blind?
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Yes, you’re ignorant. You’re attempting to make a very ignorant claim. You’ve seen one half of bad defense and now you’re attempting to proclaim that’s simply who this team is. That’s not how any of this works. Just like one really bad game against Utah doesn’t mean Florida is a terrible team. The same for Bama against USF.

We played a really bad half of defense against Florida, yes. But you can’t extrapolate that over the entire season and just assume that’s who we will be. You’re arrogantly stating an opinion based on limited data.

Idk what else to call that, other than ignorant
 
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OrangeInKy said:
I think of it we’re just him running last year, it would have been ok. The problem is he picked us apart in the air too. Let him run as long as you don’t let him have time to pick apart the second day. I like the chances of containing him on the ground as ai trust our slime and linebackers more than I trust our secondary.
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He’s very accurate when he’s hot. On the run or in the pocket, he can thread the needle. Hopefully we double his favorite receiver , Legette. If we take that guy away from Rattler he’s mot half the QB otherwise imo.
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
Last year he killed us with his legs. What is the possibility of us spying him all game, or maybe on obvious passing downs? Who would we use as the spy? I'm more worried about him extending plays with his legs vs his throwing proficiency. Discuss.
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USC has a horrid OL (way worse than ours) and Rattler has been sacked a ton already. Throw on top of that he will have a huge bounty on his head for what he did to us last year. If he steps out of that pocket expect the big game hunters to open fire on him.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes, you’re ignorant. You’re attempting to make a very ignorant claim. You’ve seen one half of bad defense and now you’re attempting to proclaim that’s simply who this team is. That’s not how any of this works. Just like one really bad game against Utah doesn’t mean Florida is a terrible team. The same for Bama against USF.

We played a really bad half of defense against Florida, yes. But you can’t extrapolate that over the entire season and just assume that’s who we will be. You’re arrogantly stating an opinion based on limited data.

Idk what else to call that, other than ignorant
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Well, I appreciate your feedback. I'm trying to stay on topic but your insulting tone is distracting. I just don't think this defense has the mental acuity to handle special packages on a weekly basis. 4 games is definitely enough to determine that. Mistakes that they have made through 4 games should not happen with 9 senior starters. If they were all still relatively young I could have a similar opinion that they could improve, but hey are not, and "that's not how it works" isn't going to change my mind either. They looked totally unprepared for Florida and APSU, Virginia was a totally inferior opponent and UTSA had 6 offensive starters (and veteran players) out for that game.

Could be the coaching, too, but I am leaning more towards player ability.
 
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This is Rats first game ever at Neyland. They've played 3 games at home and one at UGA day game
They played 2 Top 25 teams
#1 UGA they scored 14 points & lost
#15 UNC they scored 17 points @ Home & Lost
They will go however Rat goes IMO
 
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This week, we see the coming out of Arion Carter. He has had 4 games. Knows the SEC speed now. First big game in Neyland at night. He will be hyped and the game will be slowing down for him. I predict he gets in the “zone” and he and Beasley make plays all over the field.
 
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JRich said:
Well, I appreciate your feedback. I'm trying to stay on topic but your insulting tone is distracting. I just don't think this defense has the mental acuity to handle special packages on a weekly basis. 4 games is definitely enough to determine that. Mistakes that they have made through 4 games should not happen with 9 senior starters. If they were all still relatively young I could have a similar opinion that they could improve, but hey are not, and "that's not how it works" isn't going to change my mind either. They looked totally unprepared for Florida and APSU, Virginia was a totally inferior opponent and UTSA had 6 offensive starters (and veteran players) out for that game.

Could be the coaching, too, but I am leaning more towards player ability.
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I’ve never seen a defense that didn’t make mistakes. Once again, you’re basing this on 2 bad quarters. Other than that they’ve given up 14 or less.
 
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KTrain said:
This is Rats first game ever at Neyland. They've played 3 games at home and one at UGA day game
They played 2 Top 25 teams
#1 UGA they scored 14 points & lost
#15 UNC they scored 17 points @ Home & Lost
They will go however Rat goes IMO
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vs UNC was a Neutral site game (Charlotte)
 
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JRich said:
Well, I appreciate your feedback. I'm trying to stay on topic but your insulting tone is distracting. I just don't think this defense has the mental acuity to handle special packages on a weekly basis. 4 games is definitely enough to determine that. Mistakes that they have made through 4 games should not happen with 9 senior starters. If they were all still relatively young I could have a similar opinion that they could improve, but hey are not, and "that's not how it works" isn't going to change my mind either. They looked totally unprepared for Florida and APSU, Virginia was a totally inferior opponent and UTSA had 6 offensive starters (and veteran players) out for that game.

Could be the coaching, too, but I am leaning more towards player ability.
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You also totally ignore the fact that the guy on the field responsible for calling out assignments / motion / etc. went out after Virginia, and we've been relying on a first-time starter in Herring. I know it's easier to just say the staff doesn't prepare for individual opponents (using Florida's motion as an example), but it's really just a lazy narrative.
 
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I worry we will struggle to get off the field on 3rd down. Rattler is playing at a high level and will be the best player on the field Saturday. He will be able to roll out and extend plays. Our defense needs to have a good day to win this game.
 
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KTrain said:
This is Rats first game ever at Neyland. They've played 3 games at home and one at UGA day game
They played 2 Top 25 teams
#1 UGA they scored 14 points & lost
#15 UNC they scored 17 points @ Home & Lost
They will go however Rat goes IMO
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Unc was played in Charlotte.
 
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