Ranking the SEC quarterbacks.

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Freak said:
The full list:

14. Riley Neal, Vanderbilt
13. Ben Hicks, Arkansas
12. Matt Corral, Ole Miss
11. Terry Wiilson, Kentucky
10. Keytaon Thompson, Mississippi State
9. Jake Bentley, South Carolina
8. Malik Willis, Auburn
7. Jarrett Guarantano, Tennessee
6. Feleipe Franks, Florida
5. Kelly Bryant, Missouri
4. Joe Burrow, LSU
3. Kellon Mond, Texas A&M
2. Jake Fromm, Georgia
1. Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/s...l-all-but-over-ranking-sec-quarterbacks-2019/
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What????? I know JG is not great but come on. Felipe Franks ahead of JG??????
 
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99gator said:
Just to play devil's advocate....on what basis would JG be ahead of Franks?
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Yards per attempt, completion percentage, and INTs-per-Attempt. Moreover, their QB ratings are almost identical.

You can make an argument for Franks over JG, but acting like Franks is clearly ahead is nonsense. Franks had a much better supporting cast and one of the best QB gurus in college football coaching him and his stats were virtually identical to JG's, who was behind the worst O-line in the P5 and oftentimes had no running game whatsoever. You switch the position of JG and Franks, JG puts up much better numbers on that Florida team, while Franks looks terrible playing behind UT's O-line (and without Dan Mullen).

So I'd take JG over Franks, but like I said earlier, I think the QBs in the 4-8 range (Bentley, JG, Franks, Burrow, Mond) are pretty similar in terms of quality. However, it's much easier to make a strong argument for JG over Franks than vice-verse IMO.
 
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If you're Fromm it's got to just about kill you inside that Tua in that one head to head game screwed, blackballed, and kicked you in the weeds to be his #2 as long as he remains in the SEC. Some have already mentioned changes I think made as well. Bentley is too low IMO, Burrow and the new Mizzou guy are too high. Like it or not Franks needs to be ahead of our JG as Franks has not lost to him is my view.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Good list and analysis. My main disagreement would be that Feleipe Franks is too high and Jake Bentley is too low. Right now, I'd probably go:

1. Tua
2. Fromm
3. Bryant
4. Bentley
5. Mond
6. JG
7. Burrow
8. Franks

4 - 8 are pretty close IMO. There's a dropoff after that. And admittedly, I don't know much of anything about Auburn's new QB.

Kentucky's Wilson is basically a Running Back masquerading as a QB; without Benny Snell, I could see his weaknesses being exposed more.

Bentley started off last season rough, but got much better as the season went along. Consistency is a huge issue for him, but when he's good, he's arguably in the top 3 in the SEC; problem is that when he's bad, he probably drops into the bottom half of the SEC.
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Mond is better than Bentley. Bentley plays Chuck and duck with any kind of pressure.

Kelly Bryant can beat you with his legs, but his down field accuracy is hit or miss.
Mizzou can win games with long drives but their big play potential is not great.

Fromm is probably a better pure passer than Tua, but Georgia's offensive strength is their running game.

Frank's has flashes of brilliance, but can turn it over 4 times per game, too.

This should be an interesting season.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Yards per attempt, completion percentage, and INTs-per-Attempt. Moreover, their QB ratings are almost identical.

You can make an argument for Franks over JG, but acting like Franks is clearly ahead is nonsense. Franks had a much better supporting cast and one of the best QB gurus in college football coaching him and his stats were virtually identical to JG's, who was behind the worst O-line in the P5 and oftentimes had no running game whatsoever. You switch the position of JG and Franks, JG puts up much better numbers on that Florida team, while Franks looks terrible playing behind UT's O-line (and without Dan Mullen).

So I'd take JG over Franks, but like I said earlier, I think the QBs in the 4-8 range (Bentley, JG, Franks, Burrow, Mond) are pretty similar in terms of quality. However, it's much easier to make a strong argument for JG over Franks than vice-verse IMO.
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Acting like JG is clearly better than Franks is also nonsense. That's the point I'm making.

JG has been terrible by any way there is possible to measure a QB.

Like Franks, the lack of interceptions are not due to good QB play, it's due to what they run. You don't throw interceptions on bubble screens and pop flys down the side line.

Tennessee ran it 419 times last season and threw it 297. That statistic is amazing because (1) Tennessee couldn't run the ball a lick and was last in the SEC in yards per rushing attempt and (2) Tennessee was usually behind on the scoreboard.

In games against West Virginia, Missouri, Florida, Alabama, and Georgia (games they lost by 3 or more TD's), they still ran it more than they threw it. Some of those games the run/pass ratio wasn't close. The only game they were beaten soundly that they threw it more than they ran it was Vanderbilt.

Now, if you are losing big, why run the football when you are terrible at it?
 
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99gator said:
Acting like JG is clearly better than Franks is also nonsense. That's the point I'm making.

JG has been terrible by any way there is possible to measure a QB.

Like Franks, the lack of interceptions are not due to good QB play, it's due to what they run. You don't throw interceptions on bubble screens and pop flys down the side line.

Tennessee ran it 419 times last season and threw it 297. That statistic is amazing because (1) Tennessee couldn't run the ball a lick and was last in the SEC in yards per rushing attempt and (2) Tennessee was usually behind on the scoreboard.

In games against West Virginia, Missouri, Florida, Alabama, and Georgia (games they lost by 3 or more TD's), they still ran it more than they threw it. Some of those games the run/pass ratio wasn't close. The only game they were beaten soundly that they threw it more than they ran it was Vanderbilt.

Now, if you are losing big, why run the football when you are terrible at it?
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“JG has been terrible by any...”

This is objectively false. You’re either being hyperbolic or intellectually dishonest. You choose.
 
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99gator said:
Acting like JG is clearly better than Franks is also nonsense. That's the point I'm making.

JG has been terrible by any way there is possible to measure a QB.

Like Franks, the lack of interceptions are not due to good QB play, it's due to what they run. You don't throw interceptions on bubble screens and pop flys down the side line.

Tennessee ran it 419 times last season and threw it 297. That statistic is amazing because (1) Tennessee couldn't run the ball a lick and was last in the SEC in yards per rushing attempt and (2) Tennessee was usually behind on the scoreboard.

In games against West Virginia, Missouri, Florida, Alabama, and Georgia (games they lost by 3 or more TD's), they still ran it more than they threw it. Some of those games the run/pass ratio wasn't close. The only game they were beaten soundly that they threw it more than they ran it was Vanderbilt.

Now, if you are losing big, why run the football when you are terrible at it?
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Even 99gator gets it.

I don't think JG lacks potential. But his "stats" were so "great" last year because they protected him. They didn't want his mistakes to cost them games.
 
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Oh... I am sure that @k-town_king noted that this author ranked JG as 6th out of 7 returning starters. And since he "loves" stats so much... he MUST believe it is ridiculous to rank JG above Bentley since Bentley is better statistically by a VERY wide margin AND has been the key playmaker in his offense.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Good list and analysis. My main disagreement would be that Feleipe Franks is too high and Jake Bentley is too low. Right now, I'd probably go:

1. Tua
2. Fromm
3. Bryant
4. Bentley
5. Mond
6. JG
7. Burrow
8. Franks

4 - 8 are pretty close IMO. There's a dropoff after that. And admittedly, I don't know much of anything about Auburn's new QB.

Kentucky's Wilson is basically a Running Back masquerading as a QB; without Benny Snell, I could see his weaknesses being exposed more.

Bentley started off last season rough, but got much better as the season went along. Consistency is a huge issue for him, but when he's good, he's arguably in the top 3 in the SEC; problem is that when he's bad, he probably drops into the bottom half of the SEC.
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No way JG ahead of Franks and Burrows..
 
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2GeeZ4VolZ said:
“JG has been terrible by any...”

This is objectively false. You’re either being hyperbolic or intellectually dishonest. You choose.
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Ok. Let's see.

Wins? No
Passing yards? No
Passing TD's? No
Rushing yards (by JG)? No
Rushing TD's (by JG)? No
First Downs? No (Tennessee dead last in the SEC)
Completions of more than 10 yards: 88....for the entire season......as a team (some of those 88 he may not have thrown). That's an average of 7 completions a game of more than 10 yards. To give you an idea of how bad that is.....in 2012 with Tyler Bray, Tennessee had 161 such completions.

His numbers are brutal.
 
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