Ranked 44th, Lowest in SEC?

[give_him 6]

This is not “the way to go,” for goodness sake. We just went through a crazy coaching search. Perspective is important. At this late in the game, filling team needs, holding onto current commits, and trying to land a few big ones is about the best we can expect.

What is this "crazy coaching search" you mentioned? Not familiar.

Chill out man. Everything is going to be aight.

 

[TennMan101]

This is not “the way to go,” for goodness sake. We just went through a crazy coaching search. Perspective is important. At this late in the game, filling team needs, holding onto current commits, and trying to land a few big ones is about the best we can expect.

I don't usually do this because I don't usually feel this way, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say we'll land another top 100 player, before it's all said and done! JMO

 

[ALGator]

Pruitt isn't even on the job full time yet. Tennessee will be fine, and to make you all feel better, have a look at FSU

Taggart = Blackelwain

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

It’s 16 commits at the moment, with Taylor included among the commits, even though he hasn’t yet signed his LOI.

Tennessee 2018 Football Commits

Isn't Taylor expected to sign this Friday?

 

[savannahfan]

Seemed to pick up several lineman type. Not many of them get to 4-5 stars (and many don't work out). Many of these big guys take a while to blossom. We will just have to wait and see.

 

[Spook1]

:hi::hi::hi::good!::good!::good!:It ain't over yet till the fat lady sings and she ain't even got her song book out yet! CJP will come on strong and turn some recruits from some other schools that are 4-star or higher.

Ranked 30 on Rivals, and will climb further before Feb.

Do not worry we are going to be fine.

 

[KingtUT]

Ranked 30 on Rivals, and will climb further before Feb.

Do not worry we are going to be fine.

I dont have the luxury of blind faith

 

[jakez4ut]

We need to stop making excuses. The prior coach was able to sell the Tennessee name and pull in recruits and build enthusiasm from the very start. Call him a used car salesman if you wish - but he was able to do that.

There has been absolutely no energy and enthusiasm generated as of yet by the new staff. What we have heard is more negative than positive with many players having their offers pulled and being told to look elsewhere.

Yes there has been a flurry of offers to top players that were not offered before - but we all know that most of those will not pan out. IMO there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason in who is being offered. There isn't a vision.

this is one of the dumbest things i've ever read on this board. talk about lack of awareness and a total misunderstanding of what the situation is at ut right now.

what happened at UT over the last month was UNPRECEDENTED, and there are going to be consequences we have to face short term.


that is not an excuse. that's just reality.

go stick your head back in the sand hoping and wishing CBJ were still here.

and lastly, let's not get our panties in a bunch over what's happened in the ESP. another reality, he only had a week to get anything together, and managed to get 4 guys to comitt and sign, along with keeping 8 of the previous committments.

february.....that's the bigger picture this cycle. that's the vision.

 

[UTP69]

What do you expect? We are a train wreck and our coach just walked in the door.

I love sanity.

 

[Roustabout]

4-8, winless in SEC play.

The program IS in that bad of shape. The worst it has EVER been.

While I agree, I'm not doing cartwheels, for two weeks work, he's done very well considering the dumpster fire Butch left, and the complete circus that Currie was.

We have to face facts, we are at the lowest point we have ever been. Let's hope it's rock bottom, because any lower and we may never recover.

Remember, at one time, teams like Vanderbilt, SMU, Arkansas, Texas, and Nebraska we're feared as perinnial powers. Arkansas, Texas, and Nebraska may well be there again. I doubt we will ever see Vandy or SMU considered a power ever again.

The good news is UT has the facilities and budget. It's been a LOT worse in that regard. The issues are internal. Power conflict. Lack of common focus. Lack of leadership. I think Fulmer will pay dividends here. So, it's a people problem. Is that better or worse than a $$ problem, I don't know.

I think Dipietro is a major problem and needs to go. He's a goober, who is better suited for a trendy, small college, not a monster like UT. Davenport? Not sure. On one hand, it would appear you could lay a lot of the blame at her feet. But you could also lay a lot of the credit. She stood up to some powerful people and didn't back down.

 

[utfann1962]

do you want to win recruiting, go back to jones, I want a coach that can win a game with winners not winers:rock:

 

[VOLINVONORE]

this is one of the dumbest things i've ever read on this board. talk about lack of awareness and a total misunderstanding of what the situation is at ut right now.

what happened at UT over the last month was UNPRECEDENTED, and there are going to be consequences we have to face short term.


that is not an excuse. that's just reality.

go stick your head back in the sand hoping and wishing CBJ were still here.

and lastly, let's not get our panties in a bunch over what's happened in the ESP. another reality, he only had a week to get anything together, and managed to get 4 guys to comitt and sign, along with keeping 8 of the previous committments.

february.....that's the bigger picture this cycle. that's the vision.

Maybe you are the one who should get his/her head out of the sand. CJP has been "on the job" 2 weeks and signed some very good players and more are on the way. If you are concerned about Mays, he has been gone for 6 weeks and if he doesn't want to play @ Tennessee, I don't want he to be here. I hope he plays well except when he plays Tennessee, but I do not want Georgia to win a single game. Having lived in Georgia for 40 years, I have seen enough of them and their fans.

That being said, I hope and think that our new staff has gotten off to a really good start. I think a class will be signed during the February signing and that the class will rank in the top 29-25. Under the conditions which was faced during the last 2-3 months, the class is exceptional.

 

[KBVol]

I find myself to be not nearly as excited as a lot of my fellow Vols here. I think we did okay, but nothing to do cartwheels over -- just good enough to not be disappointed.

And everyone saying it was great considering the current state of the program? The program isn't in that bad a shape. We're doing a lot better now than we were in Butch's first year.

Not trying to be a party pooper. We can still finish strong and really get a stellar class. But we'll have to step it up to a higher level than we saw today.

- 4-8, first 8-loss season in 120+ years of the program

- 0-8 in the SEC, first ever winless season in the SEC

- blown out by Georgia, Missouri, Alabama and Vanderbilt

- 126th in the nation in run defense, 82nd overall, and only that high overall because teams didn’t have to throw the ball to beat us so our pass defense aggregate numbers were relatively good....but we saw what happened when teams like Missouri and Vandy decided they would actually thriw the ball....they torched us

- struggled mightily to beat bad UMass and Georgia Tech teams

- went nearly 3 full games without scoring a touchdown


I don’t know how YOU define “the program isn’t in that bad a shape”.....I know how I define it, and based on the bullet points above, it’s a freaking train wreck, especially when you factor in a bad/broken culture.

Finally, I understand the caution given the last decade. Awful hires, awful results, constant punches in the gut.

But there’s no way to look at this staff, their collective proven recruiting prowess, beginning with JP, and their collective coaching reputations and not at least be cautiously OPTIMISTIC. And yesterday (jumping 30 spots in the recruiting rankings after 12 days on the job) should’ve done nothing but bolster that optimism imho.

 

[JohnD13]

Look for us to move up by final signing day. If not then I will start to have ligitimate concerns about the staff.

LOL already? LOL. What a joke.......

 

[JohnD13]

We need to stop making excuses. The prior coach was able to sell the Tennessee name and pull in recruits and build enthusiasm from the very start. Call him a used car salesman if you wish - but he was able to do that.

There has been absolutely no energy and enthusiasm generated as of yet by the new staff. What we have heard is more negative than positive with many players having their offers pulled and being told to look elsewhere.

Yes there has been a flurry of offers to top players that were not offered before - but we all know that most of those will not pan out. IMO there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason in who is being offered. There isn't a vision.

Do you live in an alternate reality than the rest of us?

 

[dd4vols]

We need to stop making excuses. The prior coach was able to sell the Tennessee name and pull in recruits and build enthusiasm from the very start. Call him a used car salesman if you wish - but he was able to do that.

There has been absolutely no energy and enthusiasm generated as of yet by the new staff. What we have heard is more negative than positive with many players having their offers pulled and being told to look elsewhere.

Yes there has been a flurry of offers to top players that were not offered before - but we all know that most of those will not pan out. IMO there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason in who is being offered. There isn't a vision.

Butch, you were a terrible coach, but you are an even worse poster!

 

[BeardedVol]

We need to stop making excuses. The prior coach was able to sell the Tennessee name and pull in recruits and build enthusiasm from the very start. Call him a used car salesman if you wish - but he was able to do that.

There has been absolutely no energy and enthusiasm generated as of yet by the new staff. What we have heard is more negative than positive with many players having their offers pulled and being told to look elsewhere.

Yes there has been a flurry of offers to top players that were not offered before - but we all know that most of those will not pan out. IMO there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason in who is being offered. There isn't a vision.

I was curious if you'd still be carrying water for Butch even after he was hired, and we had a new coach.

Never going to give it up are you?

 

[KBVol]

Do you live in an alternate reality than the rest of us?

Yes he is, because he’s either ....

A. Butch Jones himself
B. a Butch Jones family member
C. in a sordid sexual affair with Butch Jones

And after considering the totality of his posts over the last year or two, I’m strongly leaning towards “C”.

 

[Sarms58]

I’m not worried....we made a significant coaching upgrade

 

[KBVol]

I was curious if you'd still be carrying water for Butch even after he was hired, and we had a new coach.

Never going to give it up are you?

He’s not, because he’s clearly not a Tennessee Volunteers football program fan, he’s a Butch Jones sycophant.

If Sgt Carter is able to fool somebody else and actually gets another head coaching gig somewhere, you’ll find him on that team’s forum under the screen name of “(team name)fan22350”

 

[BeardedVol]

He’s not, because he’s clearly not a Tennessee Volunteers football program fan, he’s a Butch Jones sycophant.

If Sgt Carter is able to fool somebody else and actually gets another head coaching gig somewhere, you’ll find him on that team’s forum under the screen name of “(team name)fan22350”

I'm guessing the only reason he's still here is that Butch hasn't found gainful employment at another school.

Not that there's much hope that anyone will hire him, so he'll probably be here lamenting the unfair treatment of Butch for months to come.

 

[illinoisvolfan1]

I bet we get at least 1 and possibly 2 5 stars by February. What we have committed now is a miricale for 1st time head coach, 1st time lost every sec game, 1st time athletic director fired while trying to hire a coach, 1st time early signing period and CJP has only been on job under 2 weeks.

I agree. It is very refreshing to see a coach who has a plan and is executing on it. The staff has done a miraculous job in a short period of time.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

We need to stop making excuses. The prior coach was able to sell the Tennessee name and pull in recruits and build enthusiasm from the very start. Call him a used car salesman if you wish - but he was able to do that...

But, it was to no avail. The prior coach's program was a shamble.

There has been absolutely no energy and enthusiasm generated as of yet by the new staff. What we have heard is more negative than positive with many players having their offers pulled and being told to look elsewhere...

Telling a player to look elsewhere is the kindest thing a coach can do if the player is no one that he sees a future for.

Yes there has been a flurry of offers to top players that were not offered before - but we all know that most of those will not pan out. IMO there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason in who is being offered. There isn't a vision.

I think the vision is very clear. If you listened to CJP's description of what he wants his team to look like, you can pretty easily see why he's offering the players that he is offering.

CJP is going to COMPLETELY change the complexion of this football team. If he doesn't, he knows he will fail.

 

[Roustabout]

Maybe you are the one who should get his/her head out of the sand. CJP has been "on the job" 2 weeks and signed some very good players and more are on the way. If you are concerned about Mays, he has been gone for 6 weeks and if he doesn't want to play @ Tennessee, I don't want he to be here. I hope he plays well except when he plays Tennessee, but I do not want Georgia to win a single game. Having lived in Georgia for 40 years, I have seen enough of them and their fans.

That being said, I hope and think that our new staff has gotten off to a really good start. I think a class will be signed during the February signing and that the class will rank in the top 29-25. Under the conditions which was faced during the last 2-3 months, the class is exceptional.

I read both of y'alls post and your points agree but for some reason you are arguing. Typical of the dysfunction in the UT fanbase.

 

[volfanbill]

He still hasn't walked through the door to be honest. He is still coaching at Alabama and preparing for the playoffs.

I think this is why some people were concerned when they heard he would be coaching them through the bowl games. Butch left this place a mess and as the HC your time should be 100% devoted to building 'your' program.

He can’t do anything now anyway, and he landed some big names yesterday. To say he hasn’t walked through the door yet is stupid and uninformed