Quick passes to Wide Outs

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CAVPUT said:
Or perhaps they don't have faith in the OL? I'd love to see a vertical passing attack and using the middle of the field, but maybe we just don't have that ability at this point in time?
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We had 3 nfl caliber olinemen his first year and never threw to the middle of the field. This offense does not use the middle of the field. In 2 years it has been the same. i torched Bajakian and in all honesty I owe that guy an apology.
 
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gsb0824 said:
I liked everything about the game today except one thing. And we do this one thing consistently. What is the merit behind a quick out pass to the farthest WR on the field when there are no blockers in front of him? It never gains any significant yardage, the WR gets killed and it never, ever works. I wish the page in our playbook with this play in it was torn out.
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No real benefits especially when it fails 99% of the time. We pull that crap against UF and we are dead meat.
 
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Wylo said:
They worked against a junior college team. Not exactly, but they're closer to JC than SEC.

Those passes don't work vs. Quality opponents.

It's discouraging to see the same plays over and over again when they don't work during big games.
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The Smoke/Bubble screen concept is a staple of spread offenses. Probably every team in the SEC runs that play 5+ times a game.
 
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GAVol said:
The Smoke/Bubble screen concept is a staple of spread offenses. Probably every team in the SEC runs that play 5+ times a game.
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Again, I am not talking about a Bubble Screen. The Bubble Screen at least has blockers in front of the receiver. This play doesn't. There is a WR on the sideline and a defender in front of him and that is it. When the WR gets the ball, the defender tackles him immediately, most every time. Blockers do not have the time to get out there to block.
 
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What is the offensive play called when the oline allows the D tackles to come through the line, the QB backpedals, and passes to RB who is at LOS with oline blockers in front of him?

Saw another team run that today against a blitzing Defense. We need that play...ehatever it's called.
 
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McDad said:
What is the offensive play called when the oline allows the D tackles to come through the line, the QB backpedals, and passes to RB who is at LOS with oline blockers in front of him?

Saw another team run that today against a blitzing Defense. We need that play...ehatever it's called.
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YES, that would be a good one, or a slant across the middle.
 
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McDad said:
What is the offensive play called when the oline allows the D tackles to come through the line, the QB backpedals, and passes to RB who is at LOS with oline blockers in front of him?

Saw another team run that today against a blitzing Defense. We need that play...ehatever it's called.
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We have tried to run that play at least 3 times over the last 2 weeks and failed all 3 times.

Last week OU sniffed it out. This week Dormady threw it high and Kelly couldn't bring it down
 
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omghulkhands said:
We have tried to run that play at least 3 times over the last 2 weeks and failed all 3 times.

Last week OU sniffed it out. This week Dormady threw it high and Kelly couldn't bring it down
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Why does this offense vex me thusly???
 
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omghulkhands said:
We have tried to run that play at least 3 times over the last 2 weeks and failed all 3 times.

Last week OU sniffed it out. This week Dormady threw it high and Kelly couldn't bring it down
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It's just a simple screen pass to the middle of the field. OL let the first wave thru (DL) and then go to sniffing out the next wave of defenders (LB's) and hopefully the WR's are keeping their DB's tied up.

I believe what the original poster is hinting at is the quick out to the WR. As another poster stated, it's a game of "1 on 1" like BB. The gamble is that the WR can beat the DB 1 on 1. It is a staple of the WC offense or Hurry up.
 
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gsb0824 said:
Again, I am not talking about a Bubble Screen. The Bubble Screen at least has blockers in front of the receiver. This play doesn't. There is a WR on the sideline and a defender in front of him and that is it. When the WR gets the ball, the defender tackles him immediately, most every time. Blockers do not have the time to get out there to block.
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I wasn't really referring to your post, but . . . just because you don't see a blocker doesn't mean there wasn't supposed to be one. Or, could be been a Smoke concept where they liked a matchup and basically threw a long handoff to a WR to let him work 1 on 1. Unless you're seeing the whole field, it's hard to know sometimes.
 
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I would prefer to see more quick slant passes. Wait more? How about any...How about the tight end over the middle? Something / anything to hold the linebackers.
 
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Another thing that I have seen little of the past few years, which we did quite often with Leach and Mangino as our OC's is the shuttle pass. KState used the blitz quite often and it was a great neutralizer for the blitzes/pressure that they were trying to bring. Haven't seen much of it lately, from many teams actually. Must be a dead art.
 
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McDad said:
What is the offensive play called when the oline allows the D tackles to come through the line, the QB backpedals, and passes to RB who is at LOS with oline blockers in front of him?

Saw another team run that today against a blitzing Defense. We need that play...ehatever it's called.
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I don't know why, but we look awful trying to run middle screen. As much as our linemen get beat, you'd think they'd be good at the òle block and running the other way.
 
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GAVol said:
I don't know why, but we look awful trying to run middle screen. As much as our linemen get beat, you'd think they'd be good at the òle block and running the other way.
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Middle screen? I shoulda known that. Thanks. Seems like it would fit us like a glove. Wish we could make it work.
 
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gsb0824 said:
Again, I am not talking about a Bubble Screen. The Bubble Screen at least has blockers in front of the receiver. This play doesn't. There is a WR on the sideline and a defender in front of him and that is it. When the WR gets the ball, the defender tackles him immediately, most every time. Blockers do not have the time to get out there to block.
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I saw that play a few times too.
 
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When a defense shows blitz it's the fastest play to get rid of the ball and into fast hands of fast WRs , then it's man to man
 
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GAVol said:
I wasn't really referring to your post, but . . . just because you don't see a blocker doesn't mean there wasn't supposed to be one. Or, could be been a Smoke concept where they liked a matchup and basically threw a long handoff to a WR to let him work 1 on 1. Unless you're seeing the whole field, it's hard to know sometimes.
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Well, when I have witnessed that play, I could pretty much see the whole field and the WR is one on one with a defender, and no blockers. I haven't seen our WR's slip out of one of these yet.
 
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gsb0824 said:
Well, when I have witnessed that play, I could pretty much see the whole field and the WR is one on one with a defender, and no blockers. I haven't seen our WR's slip out of one of these yet.
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Even tho it hasn't worked (yet), it's easy to understand why coaches like it considering the size and speed of our WRs. On paper, our WRs should be able to overpower a single DB.
 
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In the last 5 minutes, I've seen Bama and Ole Miss convert 1st downs running it.
 
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