Quick passes to Wide Outs

#52
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gsb0824 said:
I liked everything about the game today except one thing. And we do this one thing consistently. What is the merit behind a quick out pass to the farthest WR on the field when there are no blockers in front of him? It never gains any significant yardage, the WR gets killed and it never, ever works. I wish the page in our playbook with this play in it was torn out.
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I hate this play in general, as a football fan. I hate it even more considering the receivers we have.
 
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voltrap18 said:
It gets the ball to your playmakers.
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The only playmaker we have at WR right now is evidently PWill and he did all his damage tonight down the field. We don't have anybody who has taken one of those bubble screens and done anything significant with it since Croom last year vs Ky...and we've thrown about 3 billion of em to every WR we have on the team. I understand throwing them occasionally to keep the Dbs honest, but I'd much rather see us develop our passing game down the field, particularly in the middle.
 
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McDad said:
Even tho it hasn't worked (yet), it's easy to understand why coaches like it considering the size and speed of our WRs. On paper, our WRs should be able to overpower a single DB.
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Unfortunately it's all just on paper. No wr on our roster has ever taken a 5 yard gain and turned it into a 50 yd TD like you'd hope they would given their size and athletic ability. Croom took one to the house last year vs Ky but he caught it and was never touched. I understand throwing an occasional bubble screen, but it's clearly, BY FAR, Butch's favorite route to run and we just don't block it or run it very well as evidence by our complete lack of splash plays that have come from it. We have to get 100% better at throwing the ball deep down the field.
 
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KBVol said:
Unfortunately it's all just on paper. No wr on our roster has ever taken a 5 yard gain and turned it into a 50 yd TD like you'd hope they would given their size and athletic ability. Croom took one to the house last year vs Ky but he caught it and was never touched. I understand throwing an occasional bubble screen, but it's clearly, BY FAR, Butch's favorite route to run and we just don't block it or run it very well as evidence by our complete lack of splash plays that have come from it. We have to get 100% better at throwing the ball deep down the field.
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I don't really even blame the receivers, I just think it's a terrible play. They have to beat a guy one-on-one when starting with no momentum whatsoever and only one horizontal direction they can go. If anything, the defender is the one building momentum while the ball is in the air. If you're facing a team with defensive talent and some discipline, that's almost never going to be a big play. Hard to fake someone out when your only options are straight and left (if you're lined up to the right).
 
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If you have Percy Harvin and Tavon Austin, maybe. If it's someone like North or Croom, who are built to be downfield threats and are the opposite of quick scatback types, it makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Or perhaps they don't have faith in the OL? I'd love to see a vertical passing attack and using the middle of the field, but maybe we just don't have that ability at this point in time?
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Probably at the top of the list.
 
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KBVol said:
The only playmaker we have at WR right now is evidently PWill and he did all his damage tonight down the field. We don't have anybody who has taken one of those bubble screens and done anything significant with it since Croom last year vs Ky...and we've thrown about 3 billion of em to every WR we have on the team. I understand throwing them occasionally to keep the Dbs honest, but I'd much rather see us develop our passing game down the field, particularly in the middle.
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Von pearson took one 20 yards for a td in the bowl game.
 
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PWilly is a player for sure, and other downfield threats need to be developed. But we must have a QB who can accurately deliver the ball. Still unsure that Dobbs is the guy; Dormady seems to have more field awareness and accuracy.
 
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VKAman said:
I don't really even blame the receivers, I just think it's a terrible play. They have to beat a guy one-on-one when starting with no momentum whatsoever and only one horizontal direction they can go. If anything, the defender is the one building momentum while the ball is in the air. If you're facing a team with defensive talent and some discipline, that's almost never going to be a big play. Hard to fake someone out when your only options are straight and left (if you're lined up to the right).
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The quick out pass is actually considered as part of the run game.

It's like a hand off to a WR that's supposed to be a playmaker that can make 1 guy miss and off he goes for a good gain or a TD.

It works pretty well for lots of teams.

Our problem seems to be that our WR's can't make the 1st guy miss them.

Even if it gets only 3 or 4 yards it's considered a decent play since a RB normally won't do better when the box is stacked against them.

If a S is way down in the box and we make the 1st guy miss then it could become a really good gain or a TD.

Kind of a boom or bust play but every run play could be considered in the same way.

I still think we've played pretty vanilla, even against Oklahoma, so we have more tricks up our sleeves for SEC games.

Time will tell and some new things could come out in the swamp where we'll WIN 27 to 17.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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volme said:
But against good teams everyone knows it's coming. We throw that pass about 15 times a game.
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You do realize those type passes has worked wonders for Saban for year with average QB play. It your WRs can block (something they couldn't do under Dooley ironically) you throw it to a playmaker and let him go to work.
 
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You can't do them too much or teams finally jump one or two of them. Dobbs threw a couple last night that would have been picks against a better opponent. As long as the receivers block they can be effective plays.. Just something you can't get repetitive at.
 
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gsb0824 said:
I liked everything about the game today except one thing. And we do this one thing consistently. What is the merit behind a quick out pass to the farthest WR on the field when there are no blockers in front of him? It never gains any significant yardage, the WR gets killed and it never, ever works. I wish the page in our playbook with this play in it was torn out.
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These 2 yard gains are vitals to our 2 and 8 hand offs up the middle
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
The quick out pass is actually considered as part of the run game.

It's like a hand off to a WR that's supposed to be a playmaker that can make 1 guy miss and off he goes for a good gain or a TD.

It works pretty well for lots of teams.

Our problem seems to be that our WR's can't make the 1st guy miss them.

Even if it gets only 3 or 4 yards it's considered a decent play since a RB normally won't do better when the box is stacked against them.

If a S is way down in the box and we make the 1st guy miss then it could become a really good gain or a TD.

Kind of a boom or bust play but every run play could be considered in the same way.

I still think we've played pretty vanilla, even against Oklahoma, so we have more tricks up our sleeves for SEC games.
Time will tell and some new things could come out in the swamp where we'll WIN 27 to 17.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
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Good post, sir. :hi:
 
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Cartervol said:
You can't do them too much or teams finally jump one or two of them. Dobbs threw a couple last night that would have been picks against a better opponent. As long as the receivers block they can be effective plays.. Just something you can't get repetitive at.
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....and we're extremely repetitive at it. And agreed...last night Joshua threw 2 balls to the flat that would've been pick sixes had Hargreaves or Tabor or whoever else Florida has playing at DB been the defender
 
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I'd like to see some slot receivers on quick out routes, it just takes an ice cold qb to stand in the pocket and beam the ball to the WR . Then "PW" north and Malone can use their skill to get past the defender.

Sorry forgot about oline, but I have faith in them. UF pass rushers aren't that great this year
 
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omghulkhands said:
I would take a slant of any kind.

We ran one to Pig last week in OT and that might be the only time it has been called all year....
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Yea, I'd like to see more quick slants. They are great for neutralizing pressure (which Florida will be bringing next week) and are pretty safe throws, you just have to keep it low and in front of the receiver. I mean if you can't trust your QB to throw a 5 yard quick slant, what exactly can you trust him to throw?

I'm thinking our lack of a deep pass threat creates the risk the routes could be jumped? But who knows for sure
 
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