Question for those in the know

[vols40]

Oh, can we please stop with that damn Wyoming game? You and everyone else know damn well the team quit in protest in that game. It had nothing to do with Fulmer's coaching prowess or Clawson's. Our team simply refused to play because they were pissed about Fulmer being fired.

Blah blah blah blah. Stop carrying the water crying about poor Phil. Seriously thanks for everything but Phil was in cruise control for 10 seasons at that point. It was time for a change. Just not the way the Hamilton and Hart took us.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Blah blah blah blah. Stop carrying the water crying about poor Phil. Seriously thanks for everything but Phil was in cruise control for 10 seasons at that point. It was time for a change. Just not the way the Hamilton and Hart took us.

It's the truth. I'm not saying it because I'm carrying water for Fulmer. Ultimately, yes, the loss is on his record, as it SHOULD be! But to just ignore the circumstances around that loss is being disingenuous.

 

[golfballvol]

Baseless? The meetings at Shoney’s are fact. His decline with two losing seasons? Fact. His bungled hire of an OC? Fact. Hell, How Fulmer got the job in the first place? Fact. What Fulmer did with hiring Pruitt? Complete incompetence and fact. You are absolutely welcome to feel however you want to about the man, but I’ll be gawd damned if you or anyone else going to tell me how to think, or what to say.

What are the meetings at Shoney’s? I’ve heard of Heupels meetings at Golden Corral with Chaney, but not meetings at shoneys. (In my early 20s btw)

 

[Brave Volunteer]

We’re seriously blaming Kiffin for 10 bad years?

We just witnessed a coach win a National Championship with the Indiana Hoosiers- in year 2. Furthermore he did it with a roster with only 7 FOUR STARS. And we’re seriously blame one guy? And I guess Ole Miss will be crap now huh?

No. Our administration just didn’t want to to really win. Honestly the Heupel hire was the same, and just now after year 5 does it seem like they’re pulling out all the stops. The Heupel hire so far has been a huge success.

After what Indiana did, I'll bet this is the conversation every AD in Division 1 football is having with their coaching staff.

 

[WaywardVol]

What are the meetings at Shoney’s? I’ve heard of Heupels meetings at Golden Corral with Chaney, but not meetings at shoneys. (In my early 20s btw)

You can poke around in here. Kind of funny to look back on this stuff. Albert Means, and a Bama booster out of Memphis named Logan Young.
Fulmer took it upon himself as he had a feckless AD in Hamilton and a league that kowtowed to Bama’s blatant bagman cheating. Fulmer exonerated?

 

[vols40]

It's the truth. I'm not saying it because I'm carrying water for Fulmer. Ultimately, yes, the loss is on his record, as it SHOULD be! But to just ignore the circumstances around that loss is being disingenuous.

It's also disingenuous to gloss over the "players quitting" without mentioning the level of cruise control on display from halftime of the SECCG 01 basically through the 08 season. Clawson may have been successful here if given more time. So what. If he was an elite OC he would have coached the talent on the roster by identifying their strengths but that didn't happen. And that is my contention that coach Fulmer could only hire good offensive coordinators named David Cutcliffe.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

You can poke around in here. Kind of funny to look back on this stuff. Albert Means, and a Bama booster out of Memphis named Logan Young.
Fulmer took it upon himself as he had a feckless AD in Hamilton and a league that kowtowed to Bama’s blatant bagman cheating. Fulmer exonerated?

It's absolutely pathetic to refer to Hamilton as "feckless". Hamilton never lobbied for the job. He got it because of his fiscal strengths as an associate AD and glowing recommendations from people all over the department, including Fulmer. Was he out of his element as AD? Yes, but he knew enough to consult Ernie Grunfeld about the opening for BB HC, and hired Pearl as a result. Hamilton had to get approval from others for any of the HC hirings/firings of the revenue sports. He didn't hire Kiffin or Dooley unilaterally. Look, as bad as an AD as he turned out to be, he was still better than Fulmer was as AD. Hamilton gets too much hate from the dumbed downed crowd

 

[vols40]

It's absolutely pathetic to refer to Hamilton as "feckless". Hamilton never lobbied for the job. He got it because of his fiscal strengths as an associate AD and glowing recommendations from people all over the department, including Fulmer. Was he out of his element as AD? Yes, but he knew enough to consult Ernie Grunfeld about the opening for BB HC, and hired Pearl as a result. Hamilton had to get approval from others for any of the HC hirings/firings of the revenue sports. He didn't hire Kiffin or Dooley unilaterally. Look, as bad as an AD as he turned out to be, he was still better than Fulmer was as AD. Hamilton gets too much hate from the dumbed downed crowd

The poster @WaywardVol referenced Fulmers "Feckless" AD and the Albert Means recruitment, but the Albert Means Recruitment happened in 1999. Mike Hamilton was not hired until Douglas Adair retired and wasn't that like 02-03 ish?

On the other side Dooley. Lol I couldn't resist. I'm sure the Haslams did their "Doo" Diligence before signing off.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

The poster @WaywardVol referenced Fulmers "Feckless" AD and the Albert Means recruitment, but the Albert Means Recruitment happened in 1999. Mike Hamilton was not hired until Douglas Adair retired and wasn't that like 02-03 ish?

On the other side Dooley. Lol I couldn't resist. I'm sure the Haslams did their "Doo" Diligence before signing off.

Yeah, Hamilton took everything up the chain with the revenue sports' hirings and firings. Hamilton first meeting with Fulmer on letting him go was asking him to retire at the end of the season in 2008. Fulmer declined

 

[vols40]

Yeah, Hamilton took everything up the chain with the revenue sports' hirings and firings. Hamilton first meeting with Fulmer on letting him go was asking him to retire at the end of the season in 2008. Fulmer declined

He and Coach Majors are more alike than either one cared to admit

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

He and Coach Majors are more alike than either one cared to admit

I assume you are talking about Fulmer. Yes, very much so as to being somewhat thin skinned and extremely defensive. Also, some general coaching traits of Fulmer were the direct influence Majors had on him. Recruiting first and foremost. Majors overall knowledge of the game was probably higher, but Fulmer had a much better pulse with players. Of course my opinion. Fulmer was a great OC, because he knew how to utilize the talents on that side of the ball to their potential. One of the great "reported" quotes from Fulmer's interview for HC was saying he would bring a national championship to UT, running a variation of only 8 different plays. He recognized the talent level. All that being said, if Johnny would just have recovered properly from his open heart surgery and taken his full, paid mandatory leave, he could have retired honorably as HC and likely went to the AD position afterwards.

 

[vols40]

I assume you are talking about Fulmer. Yes, very much so as to being somewhat thin skinned and extremely defensive. Also, some general coaching traits of Fulmer were the direct influence Majors had on him. Recruiting first and foremost. Majors overall knowledge of the game was probably higher, but Fulmer had a much better pulse with players. Of course my opinion. Fulmer was a great OC, because he knew how to utilize the talents on that side of the ball to their potential. One of the great "reported" quotes from Fulmer's interview for HC was saying he would bring a national championship to UT, running a variation of only 8 different plays. He recognized the talent level. All that being said, if Johnny would just have recovered properly from his open heart surgery and taken his full, paid mandatory leave, he could have retired honorably as HC and likely went to the AD position afterwards.

I agree. I remember how bad Tennessee looked in Coach Majors 1st game back in 92. It was a 40-0 (or something like that) win against Cincinnati but the team looked terrible. Then his first game on the sideline was a sleep walk win against a not very good LSU. Then lost at home to Arkansas and Alabama then went on the road and lost you South Carolina. Then ended his career with a play by Heath Shuler that saved an embarrassing loss to Vandy. Coach Majors could not get out of his own way. Coach Fulmer had a much better connection to that team.