Qb situation better than some believe

[savannahfan]

You may be right. Then again we may learn through trail and error that one of the backups are the exact opposite of what we thought

If their "support group" has improved to the above or avg. level, a backup QB will likely be enough to meet the realistic goals expected by most people.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

It's easy not to throw interceptions and I have a high completion percentage when you're only throwing the ball three or four yards every time. Stats can be very misleading. I got sick and tired of 3rd and 8th and him making a 3-yard pass. I don't know if it was coaching or if it was him but it was very frustrating

His average pass completion was 12.5 yards; roughly on par with Drew Lock, Jarrett Stidham, and Kyle Shurmur.

I get "sick and tired" of people making up phony stats because they are trying to justify their irrational dislike for JG. And then claiming "stats can be misleading." Yes, they can be very misleading when you make them up out of thin air.

 

[savannahfan]

This is such a dumb cop out. JG has as much responsibility for his taking sacks as the god awful OL. It’s a symbiotic relationship of ineptitude, and you people who continually dump it all over the OL are doing so out of ignorance or willful blindness.

I agree with what you say. However a conscious effort to not make a mistake (turnover), may be part of the way he, the staff, game plan, have been preached. (trying to help a defense that has not needed to be "behind the 8 ball" for some time now. Hope this is changing now.

 

[savannahfan]

I just do not understand the constant criticism of JG. His numbers last year were excellent considering the lack of protection he received while trying to learn a completely new offensive system. (Do you realize we started a tackle last year who only weighed 275 lbs? In the SEÇ?) Under all that pressure he only threw 3 ints. 3!!! That's amazing. Then bring in a 62% completion percentage with the lack of talent around him.

He took a beating and never quit, never complained about the lack of protection. Last year was nothing short of courageous. He took hits where I wasn't sure he was going to get up. You don't think his teammates notice that? Word I hear is that the OL loves the guy and, hopefully, with the influx of talent on the OL and another year in the system, he's going to get the chance to show what he can do.

I've seen bad QB play at Tennessee over the years and some great QB play, JG can be great, let's just see what he can this year and next.

Not sure he can be great. (depends on your measuring stick) I do think he can be above average, which can be good enough, if all others a good at their jobs.

 

[1vol8]

If their "support group" has improved to the above or avg. level, a backup QB will likely be enough to meet the realistic goals expected by most people.

Agreed. Although what I meant was those that think we are screwed if JG goes down. Maybe JT shocks the world. Maybe he doesn’t and BM does because let’s face it....as bad as we have been it’s still the best team BMs ever been on. A lot of people may learn that @LittleVol may have been right all along. Who knows?

 

[savannahfan]

It's easy not to throw interceptions and I have a high completion percentage when you're only throwing the ball three or four yards every time. Stats can be very misleading. I got sick and tired of 3rd and 8th and him making a 3-yard pass. I don't know if it was coaching or if it was him but it was very frustrating

I think most folks will tell you it was a lack of time to develop a 10-15 yard pass play.

 

[CA_Vol]

And right on time , here is the guy w the personal vendetta against JG. Takes any opportunity available to excoriate JG to no end. Did JG steal your GF kick your dog what? Never seen a “ fan “ take such a personal position against a player

REAL FAN ALERT

You’re right, I shouldn’t post my opinion on a football player on an football fan message board. What was I thinking? Also, why is it ok for you JG fanboys to trash the OL with glee, but any criticism of your hero is a violation of your delicate sensibilities?

Always good to hear from you, Mrs. Guarantano.

 

[LittleVol]

Agreed. Although what I meant was those that think we are screwed if JG goes down. Maybe JT shocks the world. Maybe he doesn’t and BM does because let’s face it....as bad as we have been it’s still the best team BMs ever been on. A lot of people may learn that @LittleVol may have been right all along. Who knows?

Just have to let it play out.
Winning cures EVERYTHING.

 

[CA_Vol]

I agree with what you say. However a conscious effort to not make a mistake (turnover), may be part of the way he, the staff, game plan, have been preached. (trying to help a defense that has not needed to be "behind the 8 ball" for some time now. Hope this is changing now.

Me too. At the end of the day, if he is successful, the team is likely successful.

 

[CA_Vol]

Most people outside of Knoxville that analyze college football for a living and have no skin in the game do not agree with you and think JG is a pretty good QB.

This will be a big year for him to prove it. And I will gladly eat my words.

 

[savannahfan]

He's not too 3 in the SEC EAST alone.

Frohm
Bryant
Bentley
Franks are all better than him PLAYING QB.

In the West
Bama
Texas AM
Ole Miss also have better QBs


People keep mentioning he CAN make all the throws...but then just doesn't.

Playing QB is about having a feel for the game and adapting to all factors and producing anyway. He has no pocket awareness. Zero ability to make the defense pay for being over aggressive. Meaning: He can't recognize where they are coming from WHICH MEANS HIS O-LINEMEN AREN'T TOLD WHO TO BLOCK and therefore "whiff".

O, I think he has a "feel" for the game. That's part of the problem. As far a recognizing where "they" are coming from, he knows it's "everywhere". Just don't understand why he is not much more gun shy than he is. I am about to decide he has done about all he could with what he has had to work with.

 

[CA_Vol]

Same tired narrative.

You realize this can and should be said in reverse?

 

[LittleVol]

Not sure he can be great. (depends on your measuring stick) I do think he can be above average, which can be good enough, if all others a good at their jobs.

The most clear post I've seen on this.

Yes if he could execute ie ( convert 3re down)
it would do wonders for the team. The defense got so worn down because of all the 3 and outs on offense.

There's about 5-7 plays per game that he needed to make...that he just didn't make.

If could do that, then our team will become a lot better.

 

[CA_Vol]

Please tell me how a guard or tackle whiffing on a block is on JG

He can’t do both. Folks simply dump on him because he’s not the next coming of xzy.

You realize the QB has a lot to do with setting the protection and identifying blitzes, right? My guess is you don’t...

 

[savannahfan]

Me too. At the end of the day, if he is successful, the team is likely successful.

This come back to the old saying "which comes first the chicken or the egg". I just don't think it happens very often that a Qb can "shine" without a good supporting cast. Bout the only one I can remember lately able to "carry" a team, was that little puke at A&M a few years back.

 

[k-town_king]

His average pass completion was 12.5 yards; roughly on par with Drew Lock, Jarrett Stidham, and Kyle Shurmur.

I get "sick and tired" of people making up phony stats because they are trying to justify their irrational dislike for JG. And then claiming "stats can be misleading." Yes, they can be very misleading when you make them up out of thin air.

We have a whole group of posters who lie to fit this narrative they are pushing. Then you give them stats that prove them wrong. All of the sudden stats lie and they bring up the team's win loss record. We just need to face that a large number of posters are just trolling at this point.

 

[savannahfan]

This will be a blast y year for him to prove it. And I will gladly eat my words.

I too. For I have, over the years, been pretty critical of his play.

 

[1vol8]

Just have to let it play out.
Winning cures EVERYTHING.

If it does play out the way you think it will there will be a boat load of deserved apologies coming your way. I don’t agree or disagree with you btw. But I do respect your knowledge of the position despite the criticism you get.

 

[CAVPUT]

Bottom line....no one knows what we have at the QB position right now. JG might take to the coaching and be lights out or he might be more of the same. A lot of that will depend on the OL which is also full of uncertainty. We also have no idea what the younger QBs can do until the face live action. 7 on 7 and/or green jerseys won't tell you much. Until we get into the SEC wars, it's really just a lot of speculation and hope.

 

[LittleVol]

If it does play out the way you think it will there will be a boat load of deserved apologies coming your way. I don’t agree or disagree with you btw. But I do respect your knowledge of the position despite the criticism you get.

It's the nature of the world.
People are more worried about defending or voicing their opinion, than letting truth come to pass. That's why I despise politics...

If they're right about JG, that means we're winning. Right?

If I'm right about Brian Maurer, than that means we're winning.

It could be a really awesome year if that switch is made. I can see what Pruitt is doing in this situation. And even going back to last year with the grad transfer. Pruitt knows what's going to happen.

 

[LittleVol]

We have a whole group of posters who lie to fit this narrative they are pushing. Then you give them stats that prove them wrong. All of the sudden stats lie and they bring up the team's win loss record. We just need to face that a large number of posters are just trolling at this point.

The only stats that I post is his win/ loss record.

Is that a lie too???

We're the Tennessee Vols, not the Tennessee Tuff Gauranatos. We should want better and be willing to accept it when it arrives. It has arrived.

 

[TennJoe06]

Good ESPN read about JG this morning. What college football's craziest 2018 stats tell us about 2019

 

[KBVol]

It's almost like they want JG to fail just so they can be right, know what I mean?

100%. I don’t get it.

Those of us to support JG, Tennessee’s starting QB, know he’s not perfect, not one of the top QBs in the country and likely only a top 5-6 QB in the SEC....and in one way or the other have said so this entire off season. But the kid did some really good things last year under near impossible conditions.

I think having Chaney there this year and a having full year as starter under his belt is gonna lead to improvements and really good things this year......that take is clearly pie in the sky stuff and perhaps controversial to his 4-5 vehement detractors on here.

 

[KBVol]

The only stats that I post is his win/ loss record.

Is that a lie too???

We're the Tennessee Vols, not the Tennessee Tuff Gauranatos. We should want better and be willing to accept it when it arrives. It has arrived.

So now JG is a bowler or tennis player or golfer?

By your definition he could throw for 500 yards and 5 tds a game but if Tennessee loses 7 games despite that this year, then he still sucks? Or he could have the worst QBR in the SEC this year but if Tennessee wins 9 games then he’s suddenly great? What the what? Guessing you’re a big Trent Dilfer fan?

 

[LittleVol]

Good ESPN read about JG this morning. What college football's craziest 2018 stats tell us about 2019

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Awesome chart.
BUT...

The 3rd down "throws" conversation doesn't factor in sacks. Him just eating the ball sometimes. Not all the time.

And the player A vs B thing is silly.

Player A- 3,190 yds passing 30 tds 9 ints
Player B- 1,190 yds passing 12 tds 4 ints

THAT IS THE REALITY. not the "ratio".

Imagine what our season would have been with 18 more tds!!