QB job is Keller Chryst's to lose going into 2nd scrimmage

[sjt18]

Because I know the people involved. If my word isn't good enough for you, that's fine. But I am not willing to burn my contacts to win an argument with you. Believe whatever you want.

Now we're getting somewhere. Finally someone with "contacts". I'm assuming those aren't contacts within the program or else you wouldn't be relying on reporters, right?

I'm not pushing either guy. I'm just pushing on people who claim to know at this point. I hope that JG has grown and is the guy. He's definitely more talented and UT needs his playmaking ability. I'm just not satisfied with "just so" declarations.

 

[MiramarVol]

So KC can get his sacks in too I take it. Cause if JG gets it twice, the OL isn't what we hoped. We all shall soon see if anyone has improved under this staff.

A lot has to do with how well the offensive line pass blocks. If JG get sacked twice in the first half, they will pull him.

 

[sjt18]

Dude, deerpark is about as solid of an insider if not more so than LWSVol.

I don't know him or his history... but am satisfied if he is. But you know yourself that a lot of people making bold declarations on this are talking out of their ear.

 

[sjt18]

So KC can get his sacks in too I take it. Cause if JG gets it twice, the OL isn't what we hoped. We all shall soon see if anyone has improved under this staff.

The issues caused by a QB holding the ball too long aren't limited to sacks. I know you know that... just making sure we keep it in mind.

 

[BloomuVol]

I don't know him or his history... but am satisfied if he is. But you know yourself that a lot of people making bold declarations on this are talking out of their ear.

I haven't been on here long enough to remember every insider's connections, but I'm pretty sure he is the guy that gives us all of the info on uniforms and equipment, if that suggests his connections for you.

 

[sjt18]

I haven't been on here long enough to remember every insider's connections, but I'm pretty sure he is the guy that gives us all of the info on uniforms and equipment, if that suggests his connections for you.

Possibilities. Anything from the salesman that supplies uniforms to the guy (Pruitt) who decides which uniform they'll wear.

 

[butchna]

I'm going to say this again. I hope you are right. I hope JG has improved dramatically in knowledge of the system he's being asked to run... in pre-snap reads, post-snap reads, decision making, game management,... all the things he didn't show a mastery of last year.

But FTR, how do you know staff and support staff are talking off the record to members of the media. Using the word "absolutely"... you have to have some proof of it, right? And are you saying that Pennington isn't a respected member of the media? He said KC, right?

But you’re perfectly fine with the spin that someone who knows more than anybody just belched it out to Larry over shared fajitas?

 

[sjt18]

But you’re perfectly fine with the spin that someone who knows more than anybody just belched it out to Larry over shared fajitas?

Nope. I've just seen Larry's bona fides... and he's never come across as a guy who shot his mouth off or really cared if people didn't believe him. I've seen him say he was wrong about something he was told too. So... while his comment carries weight... it isn't ironclad either.

 

[BloomuVol]

The issues caused by a QB holding the ball too long aren't limited to sacks. I know you know that... just making sure we keep it in mind.

And the only reason for a qb to hold the ball is mental inefficiency right? Couldn't be a lack of open targets could it?

 

[jakez4ut]

And the only reason for a qb to hold the ball is mental inefficiency right? Couldn't be a lack of open targets could it?

well, it's the ability to recognize the lack of targets and make the correct decision as a result that does apply there. and to be able to do that in like 5 seconds or less to boot.

 

[Behr]

But you’re perfectly fine with the spin that someone who knows more than anybody just belched it out to Larry over shared fajitas?

That's funny.

 

[BloomuVol]

well, it's the ability to recognize the lack of targets and make the correct decision as a result that does apply there. and to be able to do that in like 5 seconds or less to boot.

I agree he had problems, but sjt acts like he played in a vacuum, that there are not reasons for him doing what he did outside of his control. Have we all forgot about that great flea flicker where JG drops back to pass, only to have every WR blocking their asses off. How is a kid supposed to have confidence his receivers will run the right route at the right depth, when they have shown otherwise? The trust part goes two ways with this.

 

[BloomuVol]

That's funny.

The belching over shared fajitas got me too.

 

[jakez4ut]

I agree he had problems, but sjt acts like he played in a vacuum, that there are not reasons for him doing what he did outside of his control. Have we all forgot about that great flea flicker where JG drops back to pass, only to have every WR blocking their asses off. How is a kid supposed to have confidence his receivers will run the right route at the right depth, when they have shown otherwise? The trust part goes two ways with this.

oh, i agree. i think the majority of the issues JG had were all coachable/teachable/correctable. he definitely neeed a much better understanding, and practical application, of what defenses were going to do based on alignment, personnel and where the match ups where. situationally, he seemed completely unprepared.

i get the notion of him either having "it" or not. but i think with reps, film study and just more study of the game, especially from a defensive perspective, he can certainly improve the mental part of the game. it's hard to make the right decisions when you don't even know how to arrive at how to make the decision first...all the "if/then's" that lead up to what you should do etc...

all that said, there are some guys that just aren't capable of learning all of it, and it ultimatley really hampers their ability to play the position. plenty of guys have come and gone that have all the physical tools, but just never ever could comprehend the game as a whole.

heath shuler was that to a certain degree. fantastic qb, with as much 'talent' as you'd ever want. found out in the NFL, he just couldn't get it, at least not to the point where he could utilize all that talent to his advantage. or Ryan Leaf...mentally, that guy was a midget. physically, he was a goliath.

there's others too. Crompton is a bit of an example that went the other way, and he did get better with some different/better coaching. and you see qb's in the NFL that you've never heard of in college, all the sudden be consistent players as a pro. so it can go both ways. the next chapter of JG's book is unwritten, so we'll see where he winds up.

 

[Volfan2012]

JG Stats do not say he was a bad QB. He completed 62 percent of his passes , 997 yards only 2 interceptions of 139 attempts. He had a 118 QB rating which is a little low but not terrible. We all acknowledge he was not a quick thinker and took to many sacks. What we need out of him is quick decision making and knowing where to go with the ball. If he has that this season he could definitely be a top QB.

 

[k-town_king]

Dude, deerpark is about as solid of an insider if not more so than LWSVol.

More. It doesn't fit his confirmation bias though.

 

[orange parmejohn]

Except I haven't heard many if any "radio dudes" say that. Most people locally, except for the known idiot referenced in the initial post, have said it's JG's job.

DP what are your people saying about JG as far as improvement? Is he going to be a good QB or just better than his competition?

 

[sjt18]

And the only reason for a qb to hold the ball is mental inefficiency right? Couldn't be a lack of open targets could it?

Sure... if QD hadn't taken 4 sacks while JG took 26.

Are you really saying you don't think this is a problem for JG? If not, why are you continuing to argue as if it isn't. He really needs to come along in that aspect. If he has then he wins the job... if he wins the job my optimism for the season goes up considerably. But... I want to see it after what we saw last year.

 

[sjt18]

More. It doesn't fit his confirmation bias though.

Sorry... but no. Unlike you, I'm perfectly willing to accept either answer. But with even a 70/30 split (just a guess) I'm not willing to accept anyone's "just so" declaration. For me to give them credibility, they have to at least give some idea as to how they "know" what they think they know. I'm just the opposite of what you suggest... I do not have a favorite (unless it is JG) and therefore do not have to be biased toward someone who says what I want to hear... like you are.

And as I've stated before, UT's ceiling gets raised if JG has grown enough to win the job over KC. He has a significant advantage in physical talent. But he WAS behind last year. It may have been natural ability- we all better hope not. It may have been effort- if he's truly matured then that's half the solution to that problem.

It would ease my mind if someone came out and said he'd become a film room junkie. Have you seen any reports like that?

 

[sjt18]

I agree he had problems, but sjt acts like he played in a vacuum, that there are not reasons for him doing what he did outside of his control. Have we all forgot about that great flea flicker where JG drops back to pass, only to have every WR blocking their asses off. How is a kid supposed to have confidence his receivers will run the right route at the right depth, when they have shown otherwise? The trust part goes two ways with this.

Nope. The OL play was bad from start to finish in part because of injuries, in part because it was mismanaged starting in August by Jones, and in part because of the "techniques" Jones wanted taught as he tried to reinvent college football... and failed.

The WR's were a problem all year long too. One of QD's problems as suggested by Jones is that he was trying to make up for WR mistakes rather than just doing his own job. They ran the wrong routes. They ran the right routes the wrong way. Often they just didn't make aggressive plays on the ball. They dropped too many passes.

All of this certainly played into JG's performance and how much they had to limit the O he ran.... but he still had issues as well.

As frustrating as this was... it actually expands the possibilities for significant improvement if this staff can get it together.

I wasn't wild about Pruitt's statement the other day that they're having 9 guys get their jobs done and plays fail because 2 guys don't. Jones said that constantly.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

But you’re perfectly fine with the spin that someone who knows more than anybody just belched it out to Larry over shared fajitas?

I would be happy with that info if he was giving me one of them Fajitas.....

 

[sjt18]

well, it's the ability to recognize the lack of targets and make the correct decision as a result that does apply there. and to be able to do that in like 5 seconds or less to boot.

My best guess is that JG didn't make good pre-snap reads. Maybe part of that was them limiting him. But he looked like someone who was trying to figure everything out after the snap. Again the best comparison contrast I can think of is Simms vs Bray a few years back. Simms was sacked repeatedly. Bray was hardly ever sacked behind the exact same OL with the same receivers.

Pre-snap reads is kind of a Sun Tzu deal. Know neither yourself nor your adversary... there's no hope. Know yourself but not your adversary... complete victory is unlikely. Know yourself and your adversary... victory is assured.

JG needs to have spent hours upon hours in the film room and in his playbook this summer. The playbook should be as familiar as the back of his hand. Recognizing defensive alignments and the problems/opportunities they present should be 2nd nature. Bray had a knack for looking at a D just before the snap and knowing what his best two options were going to be even if that wasn't the order of his check downs. If JG has gotten closer to that level then UT will be much better.

PS- Bray was doing this as a true Fr. We're hoping JG will master it in his 3rd year.

 

[jakez4ut]

My best guess is that JG didn't make good pre-snap reads. Maybe part of that was them limiting him. But he looked like someone who was trying to figure everything out after the snap.

JG needs to have spent hours upon hours in the film room and in his playbook this summer. The playbook should be as familiar as the back of his hand. Recognizing defensive alignments and the problems/opportunities they present should be 2nd nature.

PS- Bray was doing this as a true Fr. We're hoping JG will master it in his 3rd year.

totally agree on that first point.

honestly, i think the playbook is the least of his concern. i'd be shocked if he didn't understand all the concepts of what they were trying to accomplish offensively. i think the bigger question is understanding defenses, which goes back to the first point. there's so much that can happen pre snap, based on a variety of things presented. you may know your playbook front to back, but you don't know how to applly it given what you're presented by the defense, AND how to communicate that to the other 10 guys... and what may have changed from your pre snap read to what they did post snap (safey did roll down, lb's stunted, what did they do or not do during motion?).........well, i don't care how good you are physically....

i would wager that Pruitt and Helton likley spent a lot of time with JG on defensive concepts and getting him to understand how defenses want to attack him and this offense, how to recognize that, and how to apply what we do, to beat that. to me, all that goes hand in hand. and i don't think our last staff did a whole lot of that. "just run the play we called and it'll be fine" lol. and there may be limitations on what JG can handle in regards to all this. and it just is what it is. i do think even if there's some limites to any of this, there's plenty of room for him to improve.

on your last point, could go several ways...Bray may just be one of those guys that does get it and it requires very little effort from him to understand what's being done, and how to apply it and JG just many not have been the benefactor, yet, of good offensive coaching in regards what to do to attack a defense, how you determine it, and why.

or JG may be a mental midget like ryan leaf.

we'll find out...lol.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Members of the staff and support staff are absolutely talking off the record to members of the media. It's no coincidence that the more reputable media members are all reporting the same things about the QBs despite not seeing much of practice, while people on the fringe are saying the opposite.

But that would mean that somebody, somewhere, knows more about something than sjt! And we all know that's impossible

 

[BigThunder]

Dude, deerpark is about as solid of an insider if not more so than LWSVol.

Exactly, and I don’t see how him saying staff members don’t talk to the media off record.. I mean where do you think the VQ War Room comes from. That’s like believing in Santa