QB job is Keller Chryst's to lose going into 2nd scrimmage

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Austin Price on Swain’s show this morning....I’ll paraphrase...

“Don’t know where the reports are coming from calling this a close competition....it’s not close, Jarrett Guarantano will be the starter. Only competition is for who will be 2nd team qb and both Chryst and McBride better be watching out for Shrout, who might be the backup a few weeks into the season”

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kiddiedoc said:
Swain doubled down this morning, calling out the "radio dudes" who claim that KC is the clear leader while they aren't even bothering to spend time watching practice. Without mincing words, he called them "irresponsible."
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Except I haven't heard many if any "radio dudes" say that. Most people locally, except for the known idiot referenced in the initial post, have said it's JG's job.
 
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jakez4ut said:
there's so many varrying opinions on this topic, it's hard to really make heads or tails of what's going on. larry and brice say one thing, price says another, simonton and hubbs say something else....and on and on it goes.

if either qb is knocking it out of the partk, it's a very well kept secret.
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Ubben is my go to for unbiased information. He isn't from here and isn't a Tennessee fan and his articles are very well put together and very detailed.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Except I haven't heard many if any "radio dudes" say that. Most people locally, except for the known idiot referenced in the initial post, have said it's JG's job.
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The two guys who have been pushing the “Chryst’s job to lose” appear to be Brice and Harralson, neither of which are radio guys per se......most, if not all the radio dudes I’ve heard (Ainge, Hyams, et al) have said what you did, that it’s JG’s job at this point.
 
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KBVol said:
But are they accurate?
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They have been so far. He hasn't singled out a QB and basically has reported pretty evenly. (The smarter thing to do in my opinion) To my knowledge he has been to all the practices and scrimmages.
 
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KBVol said:
But are they accurate?
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everyone's stuff is accurate, since it's all based on their opinion...lol.

in all seriousness, price was on swain this morning and was extremely confident in saying JG was going to be the starter "and it's not even close". said he's not really sure why it's a discussion, or why there's so many conflicting reports on the topic.....
 
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jakez4ut said:
everyone's stuff is accurate, since it's all based on their opinion...lol.

in all seriousness, price was on swain this morning and was extremely confident in saying JG was going to be the starter "and it's not even close". said he's not really sure why it's a discussion, or why there's so many conflicting reports on the topic.....
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Probably because they haven't even seen a Quarter of actual practice in a month. Regarding the QBs.... Lol
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
They have been so far. He hasn't singled out a QB and basically has reported pretty evenly. (The smarter thing to do in my opinion) To my knowledge he has been to all the practices and scrimmages.
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No media member has seen anything in practice other than the initial 7-8 minute warmup period, so they’re gonna need contacts within the program to get good information on what’s actually happened at practice beyond the very little they’re allowed to see....or at the scrimmages, each of the last of which have been closer to media.

Only former players are allowed to stay for the entirety of the practices and scrimmages.

I’ve heard Ubben a couple times on the radio, sounds like a pretty good, pretty competent guy. We’ll see how he does over time.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I kinda think the staff is still trying to figure out what the rest of the team will look like and factor that into the QB decision. Seems like neither QB has been head and shoulders above the other. Just better in different areas.


Could be that if they feel like ththat defense is good enough to win games for us or if the OL/RBs can carry the offense then a game manager is just what we need.

Could be if the defense will be mediocre or if the run game will just be ok that we need a guy who can hit some more explosive plays even if he comes with a bit more of a risk for negative plays.


All speculation, of course.
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IMHO... and speculation as well... the coaches see what JG can do throwing the ball. They see his talent. And they're waiting... hoping... that he will seize the job. I don't think it is quite fair to call KC a "fall back" or "default" answer but it isn't far off of that.
 
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jepp said:
Austin Price on Swain Event just stated JG is the man and it's not even close
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Now the important part. Did he just throw it out there or did he justify it? If he was going off only what he's seen then he's looking at very little outside of how impressive each guy is in routes on air. JG wins that 100% of the time... and it isn't even close. But that isn't how the game is played.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Swain doubled down this morning, calling out the "radio dudes" who claim that KC is the clear leader while they aren't even bothering to spend time watching practice. Without mincing words, he called them "irresponsible."
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As irresponsible as naming a starter based on 10 minutes of a 2 hour practice without seeing scrimmages?

If he's seeing more practice than what they've reported on and developing an opinion based on that... that's credible. If he has sources inside the program feeding him info about what happens behind Pruitt's wall of secrecy... that starts to be more interpretation like the report that started this thread but DOES have significant weight. But no one questions JG's accuracy or arm talent... that was never his problem and isn't something that shows up in routes on air.
 
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KBVol said:
Austin Price on Swain’s show this morning....I’ll paraphrase...

“Don’t know where the reports are coming from calling this a close competition....it’s not close, Jarrett Guarantano will be the starter. Only competition is for who will be 2nd team qb and both Chryst and McBride better be watching out for Shrout, who might be the backup a few weeks into the season”

Tifwiw
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Still... what did he base that opinion on? Did he say that a "source" (like a coach) told him that? Did he say it was based on watching 10 minutes of drills? Did he say it based on insider sources? Or is his claim just as unsubstantiated as those he dismissed?

Once again, the best solution by far for UT at the QB position is for JG to have developed his QB skills to match his arm. If he has... UT could easily be the surprise team of CFB this year. But his performance last year just leaves me with too many doubts that require more than these "opinions" to quell. If you want to accuse me of giving more credence to reports saying he still has issues to the rosy ones saying they're all gone- guilty as charged. I've seen proof of those issues... I haven't seen or heard anything with enough weight to prove otherwise.


I still find it remarkable that no one is talking. Not a trainer. Not a coach. Not an equipment manager. Not a player. Not a janitor. Not a scrimmage referee. Not a peep from anyone. I've been on this board along now for 13 years. I've been following the Vols fairly closely for around 30 years. I have never seen a coach control information as tightly or as well as Pruitt does. Makes me think the "leaks" previously were from assistants "off the record" whereas Pruitt gives the media limited access to even develop relationships with them. I'm impressed... a little frustrated too as a fan who wants to know... but impressed.
 
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sjt18 said:
I still find it remarkable that no one is talking. Not a trainer. Not a coach. Not an equipment manager. Not a player. Not a janitor. Not a scrimmage referee. Not a peep from anyone. I've been on this board along now for 13 years. I've been following the Vols fairly closely for around 30 years. I have never seen a coach control information as tightly or as well as Pruitt does. Makes me think the "leaks" previously were from assistants "off the record" whereas Pruitt gives the media limited access to even develop relationships with them. I'm impressed... a little frustrated too as a fan who wants to know... but impressed.
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Members of the staff and support staff are absolutely talking off the record to members of the media. It's no coincidence that the more reputable media members are all reporting the same things about the QBs despite not seeing much of practice, while people on the fringe are saying the opposite.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Members of the staff and support staff are absolutely talking off the record to members of the media. It's no coincidence that the more reputable media members are all reporting the same things about the QBs despite not seeing much of practice, while people on the fringe are saying the opposite.
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I'm going to say this again. I hope you are right. I hope JG has improved dramatically in knowledge of the system he's being asked to run... in pre-snap reads, post-snap reads, decision making, game management,... all the things he didn't show a mastery of last year.

But FTR, how do you know staff and support staff are talking off the record to members of the media. Using the word "absolutely"... you have to have some proof of it, right? And are you saying that Pennington isn't a respected member of the media? He said KC, right?
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm going to say this again. I hope you are right. I hope JG has improved dramatically in knowledge of the system he's being asked to run... in pre-snap reads, post-snap reads, decision making, game management,... all the things he didn't show a mastery of last year.

But FTR, how do you know staff and support staff are talking off the record to members of the media. Using the word "absolutely"... you have to have some proof of it, right? And are you saying that Pennington isn't a respected member of the media? He said KC, right?
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There are things that can be coached
sjt18 said:
I'm going to say this again. I hope you are right. I hope JG has improved dramatically in knowledge of the system he's being asked to run... in pre-snap reads, post-snap reads, decision making, game management,... all the things he didn't show a mastery of last year.

But FTR, how do you know staff and support staff are talking off the record to members of the media. Using the word "absolutely"... you have to have some proof of it, right? And are you saying that Pennington isn't a respected member of the media? He said KC, right?
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There are things that can be coached and things that can't be fixed by coaching. So the question is: Of the deficiencies that you see in JG, which do you think are fixable and are there others you think are not.
 
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46yrvol said:
There are things that can be coached

There are things that can be coached and things that can't be fixed by coaching. So the question is: Of the deficiencies that you see in JG, which do you think are fixable and are there others you think are not.
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I don't know him and haven't been around him. There are guys who never get it mentally.

There are lots of guys with college level arm talent that cannot transition from HS to the complexity of CFB. There are even more who can't make the transition to the NFL including some Vols that we all know and love.

It isn't just "intelligence" either. Some of the smartest people you'll ever meet just can't handle the pressure of a quick decision.

That said... a bigger factor is the work often required to "get it". Pre-snap reads seemed to almost be an instinct for Bray. But it is something that can be acquired with film study under the right tutor. Same with post snap reads. Most who can pass a college chemistry class can learn a playbook. The thing left is translating all that to a split second decision.... a second instinct. You'll hear sometimes about a QB being a film junkie. I think that was even said about Dobbs... and Dobbs did improve that part of his game and it was a weakness at first.

I want to think JG was behind last year because of maturity- that he just thought the job should be handed to him without having to work as hard as QD. That would be by far the easiest thing to overcome.... the most natural thing to overcome. That's not a shot at his character. If you think about it, you probably know kids that have had to go through that the hard way before growing up. But I just don't know.

If he put in the work this past summer then he'll probably be fine.
 
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KBVol said:
Austin Price on Swain’s show this morning....I’ll paraphrase...

“Don’t know where the reports are coming from calling this a close competition....it’s not close, Jarrett Guarantano will be the starter. Only competition is for who will be 2nd team qb and both Chryst and McBride better be watching out for Shrout, who might be the backup a few weeks into the season”

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Swain and Price know as much as the rest of us. Their opinions are based on 15 minutes of practice they get to watch everyday.
 
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TennGentry said:
Swain and Price know as much as the rest of us. Their opinions are based on 15 minutes of practice they get to watch everyday.
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Maybe. Or maybe some here are right and they get access but cannot say so directly. But I don't understand how they can give them so much credence on the assumption that they get access that they won't admit to getting.
 
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sjt18 said:
But FTR, how do you know staff and support staff are talking off the record to members of the media. Using the word "absolutely"... you have to have some proof of it, right? And are you saying that Pennington isn't a respected member of the media? He said KC, right?
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I can't tell you how I know any more than those media members can. But it has happened.

Pennington is operating more on his expertise than sources, FWIW.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I can't tell you how I know any more than those media members can. But it has happened.

Pennington is operating more on his expertise than sources, FWIW.
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Again, this whole line of discussion is about who knows what and how they know it. So... how do you know Pennington isn't the one with the reliable sources rather than the one going on his expertise?
 
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sjt18 said:
Again, this whole line of discussion is about who knows what and how they know it. So... how do you know Pennington isn't the one with the reliable sources rather than the one going on his expertise?
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Because I know the people involved. If my word isn't good enough for you, that's fine. But I am not willing to burn my contacts to win an argument with you. Believe whatever you want.
 
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