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I understand that HB has not practiced much. He is a freshman. Never played in a SEC game yet. Possible red shirt?
If he is the QB of the future, why not put him in the games now. He would get 7 games to learn for next year!
JG has not beat anyone in the SEC that we were not supposed to (maybe Auburn would count).
I guess JP has pressure to win now but we just got hammered by GA. Bama is Bama as usual. UF can score lot of points.
A&M appears tough. I hope JP is not a Dan Quinn (Falcons).
By the way, did we ever go to a 2 tight end set against GA?
 
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I understand that HB has not practiced much. He is a freshman. Never played in a SEC game yet. Possible red shirt?
If he is the QB of the future, why not put him in the games now. He would get 7 games to learn for next year!
JG has not beat anyone in the SEC that we were not supposed to (maybe Auburn would count).
I guess JP has pressure to win now but we just got hammered by GA. Bama is Bama as usual. UF can score lot of points.
A&M appears tough. I hope JP is not a Dan Quinn (Falcons).
By the way, did we ever go to a 2 tight end set against GA?
UT has three options with talent.
 
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I understand that HB has not practiced much. He is a freshman. Never played in a SEC game yet. Possible red shirt?
If he is the QB of the future, why not put him in the games now. He would get 7 games to learn for next year!
JG has not beat anyone in the SEC that we were not supposed to (maybe Auburn would count).
I guess JP has pressure to win now but we just got hammered by GA. Bama is Bama as usual. UF can score lot of points.
A&M appears tough. I hope JP is not a Dan Quinn (Falcons).
By the way, did we ever go to a 2 tight end set against GA?
The reason HB is not playing now is that the coaches do not think he give us the best chance to win now.
 
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There is some reason, and I don't claim to know why, that these coaches are working so hard to control the narrative on the QB situation for now 3 years.
1) They play JG during the times when it doesn't make sense or seem to give us a good opportunity to be successful (when he's melting down or facing a D with strengths that outmatch his weaknesses), instead of giving a backup some game reps for experience.
2) They refuse to name a depth order, won't even designate a #2 at the position. It's reached absurdity.
3) They deflect the obvious JG discussions by - and this is WEIRD - using the defense that "we suck at our jobs". Well they don't say it that way, but they openly admit that 2nd and 3rd year QBs who THEY recruited AND were responsible for developing are so incapable at this point of taking the field, that the Bad Jarrett personality (when it emerges) is STILL better than any of the others. Wow never thought I'd see coaches throw themselves under the bus like that.
4) They won't answer specific questions about the position if the subject matter involves who is or will be playing.

I can't imagine how awkward it is for the backups to have coaches consistently (passive-aggressively) insult them in public and to work so hard without even having the decency to designate you a spot in the order.

Never seen anything like this. Wouldn't care, if it was working. But it obviously is not, and they are doubling down instead of trying something different.
 
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I dont know about you guys, but JG has developed a ton since last year. Not perfect. Dumb interception, needs to hang onto the ball. Otherwise he has been way better. And its obvious.

I suspect Maurer and Shrout are better than last year.


People are overreacting to Georgia smacking us around. Thats not happening again. Nobody else on the schedule has anything close to what they have on D. JG will start and probably play well like he did in the Missouri game. If he's not on his butt he has shown this year he can find some open receivers.

If he starts turning the ball over and reverting to old JG against the Kentucky's of the world then we will see Maurer and Shrout for sure.

Right now, JG hasn't lost the job. Hes made better decisions with the ball than probably Maurer and Shrout could make as of right now. Thats why he's playing. With the younger guys, I think they know that they have a higher ceiling and could produce bigger plays, but their propensity to make bad decisions with the ball is keeping them on the bench.

So if we are playing Bama, does a solid game managing JG give us a better chance right now? Or do we risk it with Shrout or Maurer potentially throwing up a few too many prayers and getting it picked off. Also dont know if they are as comfortable with the offense as JG is.

Same thing with Kentucky. JG has beaten them before. He is the safer pick at this point. Assuming it was mostly UGA's crazy defense's fault for his turnovers, he can win us that game. Maybe the backups give Kentucky too many gifts.

Personally, I would have gone with Maurer and Shrout from the get go because I believe in both of them and we need somebody with some legit experience going into 2021.

I will start freaking out, if JG wets the bed against one of these shabby defenses and Pruitt keeps him in there. If he starts to really suck again and we don't see 18 or 12 out there I am going to be worried.
 
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I understand that HB has not practiced much. He is a freshman. Never played in a SEC game yet. Possible red shirt?
If he is the QB of the future, why not put him in the games now. He would get 7 games to learn for next year!
JG has not beat anyone in the SEC that we were not supposed to (maybe Auburn would count).
I guess JP has pressure to win now but we just got hammered by GA. Bama is Bama as usual. UF can score lot of points.
A&M appears tough. I hope JP is not a Dan Quinn (Falcons).
By the way, did we ever go to a 2 tight end set against GA?

There is no eligibility this year, thus no need to redshirt. If he's got the talent we've been led to believe he should play as much as possible.
 
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I understand that HB has not practiced much. He is a freshman. Never played in a SEC game yet. Possible red shirt?
If he is the QB of the future, why not put him in the games now. He would get 7 games to learn for next year!
JG has not beat anyone in the SEC that we were not supposed to (maybe Auburn would count).
I guess JP has pressure to win now but we just got hammered by GA. Bama is Bama as usual. UF can score lot of points.
A&M appears tough. I hope JP is not a Dan Quinn (Falcons).
By the way, did we ever go to a 2 tight end set against GA?
Our starter QB who has been here since the west was won doesn't look like he has played an SEC game either. Not really a valid measurement for the roster.
 
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The reason HB is not playing now is that the coaches do not think he give us the best chance to win now.

Thats not what Pruitt said, pay attention to his choice of words "success", he said he feels that JG gives us the best chance at "success".

The problem, is that Pruitt doesn't seem to define "success" as "scoring whenever possible".
 
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I understand that HB has not practiced much. He is a freshman. Never played in a SEC game yet. Possible red shirt?
If he is the QB of the future, why not put him in the games now. He would get 7 games to learn for next year!
JG has not beat anyone in the SEC that we were not supposed to (maybe Auburn would count).
I guess JP has pressure to win now but we just got hammered by GA. Bama is Bama as usual. UF can score lot of points.
A&M appears tough. I hope JP is not a Dan Quinn (Falcons).
By the way, did we ever go to a 2 tight end set against GA?

There’s no redshirts this year
 
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My post from another thread about why Maurer or SHrout don't replace JG:


(I apologize a bit. This post rambles a bit, but I am not rewriting it.)

If they were that good in practice, I think he would play them. I don't believe Pruitt is ever going to put the 2nd best option in as QB unless the best QB is injured. A lot of people (I catch myself doing it) overcomplicate what they see happening.

The JG saga plays like a conspiracy theory in the forums. CJP is not going to start JG if he is not the best on the team. I have never read a credible report of the players disagreeing that JG should start. UT players let too much hang out online. If it was true there would be rumblings from the Sports Coplex. No one around this part of the internet knows anything the coaches don't know. I clench my jaw often watching JG play. Not all problems are his fault, but he seems to miss a lot of the action before and during the play. He is both efficient and deficient.

BUT it is the biggest failing of Coach Pruitt that has not brought a man onto the team that could beat JG for that starting QB position. I know they have tried. I see it like this. Butch Jones sold Josh Dobbs on the Vols. Best thing he ever did as head coach. I see Henry T as the QB of the defense. Maybe Pruitt's biggest recruiting accomplishment so far. There is no Henry T on the offense. Outside of the OLine, the players on the offense are not elite. Or maybe elite enough.

We started a complete tier below UGA, UF, BAMA, and LSU when CJP arrived. Now we are there on defense IMO. The offense is still 2nd tier at the skill positions. Thus we are still a 2nd tier team. LSU has fallen this season. UF has an elite offense and 2nd tier defense this season and we have a shot at them. UGA and BAMA are still out of reach, for the most part. I think we can beat BAMA, on our best day. I think we are close to UF, if the staff ever has the team ready for that game. We can pass them with a couple of wins and make it some kind of rivalry again.
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I remember Jalen Hurts played us as a freshman. That BAMA team was stacked and he was the vulnerability as a freshman starting in the SEC. His freshman game against us, he was practically flawless. He was barely a legal adult and was in command of the game. He came to Neyland and managed the dismantling of a fading, but still talented Tennessee team.

Pruitt has not found that QB. The one good enough to get it done and keep the team rolling. The one who doesn't beat himself. The man that stands over the other team at the end of the game. When Pruitt gets that guy on the field, we will owe him a lot more money.

Is Harrison Bailey that player? No, or he would be starting Saturday. I don't care if it is because of lack of practice or quarantine. It does not matter. In October, 2020, he is not only not near the level of elite, he is not the best QB on the team that seems to have such limited QB options. So, he is still raw. This leads to Chris Weinke. He is a good coach, or would have been fired by now. But he is not good enough. The QB development has been pathetic. No advancement is failure and our QBs, outside of Bray and Dobbs, never seem to grow as they should this decade, but specifically under this coaching staff.
Chris Weinke get it done or get lost.

As an aside, I have the same criticism of the RBs. We have two nice slash runners, but neither is going to take control of the game. Travis Stephens, Travis Henry, Jamal Lewis, Hardesty, Foster; those guys could take control of a game and physicall wear down a defense. I know they don't succeed without a line, but we have the line. We just lack a punishing runner. Add that to an elite QB and we will be a contender.
 
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