Q Dormady officially named backup. What you expected?

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Debord will run Jones' scheme for as long as he is at UT. Jones apparently took some of what he learned from Debord and combined it with other mentors to come up with it. I very, very seriously doubt that UT is going to go under center just to accommodate a single player... even a QB.

I was surprised somewhat that Jones didn't close ground on Dormady but then again CBJ can barely contain his excitement when talking about Dormady.
 
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sjt18 said:
Debord will run Jones' scheme for as long as he is at UT. Jones apparently took some of what he learned from Debord and combined it with other mentors to come up with it. I very, very seriously doubt that UT is going to go under center just to accommodate a single player... even a QB.

I was surprised somewhat that Jones didn't close ground on Dormady but then again CBJ can barely contain his excitement when talking about Dormady.
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SJT, it would actually be a little more accurate to say that the Vols' offense will evolve over time thanks to Butch's and Mike DeBord's (and others, like Coach Z) collaboration. As you point out, the "Jones" offense already had a lot of DeBord (and Kelly and Rich Rod and etc.) fingerprints on it before Mike DeBord arrived in Knoxville, and will continue to collect more as the coaches work together tweaking and evolving it.

As for which direction it evolves, sure that will be influenced by the skill sets available among the key players. But (as you know, I'm really talking to others in the thread here) it's never 100% one or the other...the coaches tweak the playbook to better fit their talent, but they also train and mold their talent to better fit the scheme. The two sides sort of meet somewhere in the middle.

I don't think we're gonna see any drastic new chances in the offense the forseeable future, but we will continue to see new wrinkles and surprises as our coaching staff work to keep opposing DCs off balance.

Go Vols!
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
Is Dobbs a good practice player? Better than Dormandy?
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Hard to say since we actually see so little of practice. The coaches don't share very much nor do the players of what they see when studying video. Most of the "insiders" still do not get the intimate details that come out in film study. Often times, practice plans make things look different than they actually are.

Last year, Worley appeared to be constantly throwing behind receivers during the open portion of practice. Dobbs and Peterman appeared to be hitting them in stride. Many here went nuts claiming that Worley was wildly inaccurate and one of the others was going to start. A while later it came out that Worley was working on back shoulder throws because he had mastered more than the other two with simpler throws.

Unless you are a player (and not all of them), a coach, or someone in the very closest inner circle... you really have no good basis for judging how good of a practice player any of these guys are.

When the lights have been on, Dobbs has proven he can handle the pressure and lead his team back. He's proven he can manage a game and lead the team on the field. He's proven he can run, extend plays, and give DC's a significant problem to solve running the ball. He's proven he can fairly consistently hit shorter and intermediate throws. He's proven he can win.

What he hasn't proven that is necessary for both him and UT's O to take it to the next level is the ability to throw the ball down field accurately leading WR's.


The competition is pretty much over for now. Dobbs is #1 by a decent margin. Dormady is #2 and it seems that Jones would be very comfortable with him playing. Jones trails by a decent margin. We can't be sure that Jennings would even be the emergency QB at this point.
 
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FWIW, Dormady won the back up job running the same plays that Dobbs runs. There doesn't seem to be any indication they're learning/running different base sets.
 
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sjt18 said:
FWIW, Dormady won the back up job running the same plays that Dobbs runs. There doesn't seem to be any indication they're learning/running different base sets.
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The biggest concern I have with Dormady is his mobility in a game. I know he's supposed to be quick but behind this bad OL we need a very quick and agile QB to escape pressure. In time I think Dormady will be a much better passes than Dobbs
 
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Catbone said:
The biggest concern I have with Dormady is his mobility in a game. I know he's supposed to be quick but behind this bad OL we need a very quick and agile QB to escape pressure. In time I think Dormady will be a much better passes than Dobbs
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There's another equalizer for a weaker OL. Bray had it. The ability to read a coverage and make a quick decision and throw. I don't think Worley was "bad" at it. But he wasn't on Bray's level. The guy had stone for feet but didn't get hit or sacked nearly as much as Simms.
 
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KBVol said:
1. That he can be the starting qb that leads the offense and his team to 3 wins in 4 games to get to a bowl game

2. That he can complete 63% of his passes

3. That he can be the first Tennessee qb ever to throw for 300 yds and run for 165 yds in a single game

4. That he can throw 9 td passes in fewer than 6 full games despite 4 of the team's top wrs being either not healthy or missing altogether in those games.
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I'm lost with these people. Dobbs is a leader and proven.
But I'm guessing it's human nature. If you have gold behind door #1, then there has to be diamonds behind door #2.
 
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08Vol said:
We already saw with Worley that Butch doesn't adapt his offense to the QB. Also Dormady needs a better O-line than what we have
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I couldn't figure out why CBJ kept running the read option with Worley as QB,everybody knew he wasn't a running threat

with the poor blocking and the lack of time to pass the ball, Worley took a major beating that he didn't have to

I thought they should of had Worley set up in the shotgun formation and had 2 blockers in the backfield with him,put a running back and either a TE or an OL player as a additional blocker,I mean do something besides letting your QB get killed
 
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Titans4Vols said:
Unless Dobbs falls off a cliff, no true freshman is going to start over him. Even if he doesn't improve at all and plays at last year's level, he's safe.
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I'm sure if Dobbs has a bad game all we will hear is how Dormandy should be playing....
 
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sjt18 said:
FWIW, Dormady won the back up job running the same plays that Dobbs runs. There doesn't seem to be any indication they're learning/running different base sets.
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Allow me to translate 18.

This offense requires a mobile qb (only one component but most seem fixated on this)....Dormady is white....white qbs/guys aren't athletic and can't run....Dormady is a bad fit and will never play qb at Tennessee. See? Pretty simple really.
 
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KBVol said:
Allow me to translate 18.

This offense requires a mobile qb (only one component but most seem fixated on this)....Dormady is white....white qbs/guys aren't athletic and can't run....Dormady is a bad fit and will never play qb at Tennessee. See? Pretty simple really.
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I was able to follow along...you painted a picture that I could understand. :salute:
 
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Dormady is not really the #2 backup. Sheriron Jones is the real backup, but Sheriron is so valuable, Butch intends to red-shirt him to save his eligibility.
The conspiracy theorists told me so.

But seriously, I think we can all agree Dobbs / Dormady was gonna be it. S. Jones needs time to get his bearings, then we'll see.
 
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fester said:
Dormady is not really the #2 backup. Sheriron Jones is the real backup, but Sheriron is so valuable, Butch intends to red-shirt him to save his eligibility.
The conspiracy theorists told me so.
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John R. is now upset that you've called him a conspiracy theorist. :)
 
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Dormady got here early and learned the offense and got in the strength program. I don't know why people are acting like this is a surprise or that this means he is the heir apparent. It was pretty clear he would be #2 to start the year.
 
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k-town_king said:
Dormady got here early and learned the offense and got in the strength program. I don't know why people are acting like this is a surprise or that this means he is the heir apparent. It was pretty clear he would be #2 to start the year.
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Everybody knows it's never that simple...something sinister is afoot. :scare:
 
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Jones will be our starter at some point. Whether its his RS senior year I am not positive but he will be a starter. Too much talent.
 
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From what I saw at today's practice, I am not in tge least suprised that Dormandy is tge #2. He looked great and will put pressure for Dobbs to keep his passing game up. An injury to the QB position will not hurt us as bad with him as backup.

I agree with the opinion that Dormandy is a better passer and decision maker than Dobbs, but the gap isnt big enough to sit Dobbs who can run and has experience.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
From what I saw at today's practice, I am not in tge least suprised that Dormandy is tge #2. He looked great and will put pressure for Dobbs to keep his passing game up. An injury to the QB position will not hurt us as bad with him as backup.

I agree with the opinion that Dormandy is a better passer and decision maker than Dobbs, but the gap isnt big enough to sit Dobbs who can run and has experience.
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Please explain why you believe Dormady (no "n") is a better decision maker than Dobbs.

Also, you think there's a gap in how good these qbs are and Dormady (no "n") is the one with the edge/who's the better qb at this point?....but Dobbs runs better so he gets the nod? Is that about right?
 
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vavolfan6 said:
From what I saw at today's practice, I am not in tge least suprised that Dormandy is tge #2. He looked great and will put pressure for Dobbs to keep his passing game up. An injury to the QB position will not hurt us as bad with him as backup.

I agree with the opinion that Dormandy is a better passer and decision maker than Dobbs, but the gap isnt big enough to sit Dobbs who can run and has experience.
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I would also like a detailed explanation on why you have arrived at the opinion that Dormady has better decision making skills as well with examples.
 
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IMO with our offensive line you need good instincts. And most frequently that instinct is "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE"
 
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Dormady's father who was also his high school head coach changed his offense to the Butch Jones spread offense. Dormady is a lot more athletic than some people think. He rushed for 5 tds 261 yards as a "Pro-Style"QB. If Dobbs goes down he doesn't have to rush for 100 yds a game. he just has to keep the opposing defense on it toes and honest.
 
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carlos86 said:
Dormady's father who was also his high school head coach changed his offense to the Butch Jones spread offense. Dormady is a lot more athletic than some people think. He rushed for 5 tds 261 yards as a "Pro-Style"QB. If Dobbs goes down he doesn't have to rush for 100 yds a game. he just has to keep the opposing defense on it toes and honest.
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Dormady is definitely more athletic than some give him credit for. The coach's don't even want Dobb's running near as much as he did last yr. But RB injuries, lack of a consistent passing game and a bad oline forced him to run that much. Dormady is more than capable of running the offense the way Debord wants. Even Debord has said being a great running QB isn't what this offense relies on. It's decision making and passing ability.
 
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