Pruitts qb reasoning? (Lengthy)

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Skullbone said:
Dude, I'm not going to argue about whether JG is great QB or about how well so and so behind him could/might do. All I'm doing is telling the truth. There's no way in hades they're going bench JG from now on after one game and play a freshman with 0 experience. That's insane. You all might believe in your hearts that it would be so much better, but truth is it isn't happening. The only way any QB other than JG gets a single snap this year is if JG gets hurt, we are winning by four or five touchdowns in the fourth, or we're losing by seven touchdowns with five minutes in the fourth. I'm not here to say it's right or wrong. I'm here to say it is.
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I think the majority of us just want to win. Yes JG is the most experienced and ranked highly in efficiency but what about wins? Where does he rank there? That’s everyones issue. This team is SO much more talented than the 9 games its won in the past 2+ years now going on 3 with him under center. You say “after the first game” he won’t be benched. Well it’s not just one. It’s 3 in a row now plus the spring game. What we don’t understand is the reluctance to pull the trigger knowing CJP will be judged for his entire coaching career on wins and losses and it can’t be more clear that JG gives us the best chance to lose.
 
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Skullbone said:
You understand sanity, right? You don't do that. You don't bench an experienced QB who did better last year for freshman who's never played at all after a crappy opener. I don't think the coaches are as convinced of Maurer or Shrout's ability to walk in today and do better. Goodness knows you and some others are, but I do not believe for one second that the coaches are. This is the classic "the next guy is the real good one" with no evidence syndrome. What if they actually suck worse? Who knows what lies ahead. Maybe JG stinks it up even worse for three more games and they finally decide to gamble. Or maybe JG does better even with his limited skill set and wins some games. You don't gamble against your starting QB at this stage. Not yet. If it comes to that then so be it, but it's premature and knee jerk reactionary today.
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No one is saying that the backups are better. People are merely suggesting giving the guys, especially Maurer, a series or two against horrible OOC opponents to see if he can spark the offense.

Especially as opposed to repeating the textbook definition of insanity by trotting our JG who is low risk/low reward and more likely to not bring any success or consistency to the offense.
 
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#253
Okay, I get you guys are upset but you're still not getting it. They're not going to bench JG and start a freshman for BYU this Saturday. It isn't happening. Maybe by mid season if he keeps getting worse, but I suspect he'll inch by and do just well enough to stay the man. We're not going to have some miraculous turn around with a new QB this year. I wish we could, but that's a fantasy.
 
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GAVol said:
Not exactly what happened.

Bryant had gotten Clemson to the playoff the year before and then got hurt in week 4 last year and bailed to save a year of his eligibility. Maybe Lawrence would've eventually beaten him out without the injury, but it wasn't exactly as historic a coaching move as you're telling.
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Bryant was healthy. Lawrence had been putting up huge numbers coming off the bench and Dabo went that way...fully knowing the redshirt rules. If Bryant didn’t go the grad transfer route, Bryant would have been full go to relieve Lawrence when he got dinged against Syracuse.
 
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butchna said:
Bryant was healthy. Lawrence had been putting up huge numbers coming off the bench and Dabo went that way...fully knowing the redshirt rules. If Bryant didn’t go the grad transfer route, Bryant would have been full go to relieve Lawrence when he got dinged against Syracuse.
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My point is that the reason Lawrence initially got an extended audition was because Bryant landed on the ball in the first half against GSU and never returned that day. It took 3 or 4 games before Dabo pulled the trigger which is generally how it works with a true freshman QB.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
No one is saying that the backups are better. People are merely suggesting giving the guys, especially Maurer, a series or two against horrible OOC opponents to see if he can spark the offense.

Especially as opposed to repeating the textbook definition of insanity by trotting our JG who is low risk/low reward and more likely to not bring any success or consistency to the offense.
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Hell..... put me on quote, take a picture, have it notarized and send it the judge with a big ass 1vol8 signature. I’m saying BM is better. I’m also saying I chose to believe our Heisman Trophy winning qb coachs evaluation of BM over our defensive Coordinator HCs narrative of anyone not named JG.
 
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JG could be a legit qb if he wasn't a pre Madonna😄
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
I don't know about that. You got some coaches that are stuck in their ways and refuse to change. Seen it happen before. Heck our football coach is one, last year finally made a change at QB and the team starting looking good, too bad he refused to switch up his predictable play calling:mad:
Since this is TN. Look at Jeff Fisher. Say what you want about VY, after Fisher was made to put him back in the team started winning. Dude saved Fisher's job, hated that because I wanted his predictable run,run, pass punt gone too.
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IMO that's more of a coach failing to identify who his best player at the position is. Either way it's an indefensible coaching failure.
 
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Skullbone said:
JG didn't look good at all, but there's no way, no way, they're going to bench last year's starting QB who was highly ranked among SEC QBs in the preseason this year after one bad game in which most everyone sucked. No stinking way. JG is going to be your starter unless he gets injured. I bet the others don't even get a snap all season unless JG is unable to go. That's what's happening in Realville.
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I painfully agree with you, but it doesn't mean it is the right thing to do; if we want to win. JG just simply cannot get points up on the board. If we can't score enough to have a very good lead by half time and get the other qb's some playing time and game experience in the next two games we won't win over 3 games maybe 4. But I have my doubts that JG at qb can put up 40 on BYU or Chatt.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
No one is saying that the backups are better. People are merely suggesting giving the guys, especially Maurer, a series or two against horrible OOC opponents to see if he can spark the offense.

Especially as opposed to repeating the textbook definition of insanity by trotting our JG who is low risk/low reward and more likely to not bring any success or consistency to the offense.
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You just cannot win very many games with qb like JG unless you have a great defense, and we don't have that. It's time for a change, build for the future, continuing to play JG is going to cost Pruitt his job. I prefer talent over experience and i can give you many instances where this has happened. Manning at Tn only in due to injury and wasn't even the first one in, and see how that turned out. Ala. vs Ga in playoff game, if Saban had not replaced Hurts Ga wins that game. Tom brady only got to start because of injury, Farve only got to start because of injury, I could go on and on, give the other qb's a chance and see what they can do. And Pruitt has actually said he prefers talent over experience. It's like this if neither of these other qb's can't do better than JG we have a big problem in evaluating talent in our recruiting process. Pruitt recruited both of them and if they are that bad we have problems.
 
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joevol33 said:
JG could be a legit qb if he wasn't a pre Madonna😄
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If JG were only required to go out every snap and physically execute the mechanical actions of a quarterback, he'd be fine.

Unfortunately, that's not the case. Once you add in presnap reads, running through progressions, keeping track of blitzing linebackers, and making sure to scan the field for open receivers, he's already held the ball too long, and had to dump to his check-down man, or sacked.

He jus doesn't seem to have the mental bandwidth necessary to process full-speed college football.
 
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Skullbone said:
You understand sanity, right? You don't do that. You don't bench an experienced QB who did better last year for freshman who's never played at all after a crappy opener. I don't think the coaches are as convinced of Maurer or Shrout's ability to walk in today and do better. Goodness knows you and some others are, but I do not believe for one second that the coaches are. This is the classic "the next guy is the real good one" with no evidence syndrome. What if they actually suck worse? Who knows what lies ahead. Maybe JG stinks it up even worse for three more games and they finally decide to gamble. Or maybe JG does better even with his limited skill set and wins some games. You don't gamble against your starting QB at this stage. Not yet. If it comes to that then so be it, but it's premature and knee jerk reactionary today.
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Nathan Peterman starting against the Gators come to mind.
 
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cgrish said:
You just cannot win very many games with qb like JG unless you have a great defense, and we don't have that. It's time for a change, build for the future, continuing to play JG is going to cost Pruitt his job. I prefer talent over experience and i can give you many instances where this has happened. Manning at Tn only in due to injury and wasn't even the first one in, and see how that turned out. Ala. vs Ga in playoff game, if Saban had not replaced Hurts Ga wins that game. Tom brady only got to start because of injury, Farve only got to start because of injury, I could go on and on, give the other qb's a chance and see what they can do. And Pruitt has actually said he prefers talent over experience. It's like this if neither of these other qb's can't do better than JG we have a big problem in evaluating talent in our recruiting process. Pruitt recruited both of them and if they are that bad we have problems.
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I believe there is a problem at qb and would like to see competition there. If Tn loses to BYU Pruitt might as well just play all the young guys and take the lumps because the season is toast anyway. Why not just purge the old and insert the new and take the medicine.
 
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GAVol said:
My point is that the reason Lawrence initially got an extended audition was because Bryant landed on the ball in the first half against GSU and never returned that day. It took 3 or 4 games before Dabo pulled the trigger which is generally how it works with a true freshman QB.
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I think it was a foregone conclusion that he was going with the freshman and he broke it after the 4th game to give the possibility of a redshirt for Bryant lip service. Lot of pressure on the kid to make a quick decision for himself.
 
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butchna said:
I think it was a foregone conclusion that he was going with the freshman and he broke it after the 4th game to give the possibility of a redshirt for Bryant lip service. Lot of pressure on the kid to make a quick decision for himself.
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I think you're probably right. I'm sure Dabo realized back in Fall practice that Lawrence was going to play early. Just a matter of when he was going to get him on the field and how he was going to handle it with Bryant and the locker room.
 
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beamerman said:
Nathan Peterman starting against the Gators come to mind.
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What’s even crazier is not getting him into the second half the week before at Oregon once the loss was certain. Never understood throwing him in the Swamp for his first in game action
 
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Why are people on here saying you shouldn't replace an experienced QB with a freshman. Guys his experience should tell us he can't play. It's time for something new and get away from the crap we've watch the last two years. Is everyone afraid the freshman will commit turn overs ? How many did Mr Experience have last week against a 2-10 team ? The next guy may have some turn overs the first game but at least we can hope he will learn from them and get better. That has not happened with JG. He is the same now as when he first started. Wonder if the people in Auburn are glad they started a true freshman last week. He struggled early but improved as the game went along.
 
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Volhoops said:
Why are people on here saying you shouldn't replace an experienced QB with a freshman.
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I don't think anybody is saying that. All I've said is that it was probably unrealistic to expect it to happen during the opener once the game was tight and JG wasn't good, but wasn't terrible either.
 
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Volhoops said:
Why are people on here saying you shouldn't replace an experienced QB with a freshman. Guys his experience should tell us he can't play. It's time for something new and get away from the crap we've watch the last two years. Is everyone afraid the freshman will commit turn overs ? How many did Mr Experience have last week against a 2-10 team ? The next guy may have some turn overs the first game but at least we can hope he will learn from them and get better. That has not happened with JG. He is the same now as when he first started. Wonder if the people in Auburn are glad they started a true freshman last week. He struggled early but improved as the game went along.
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It appears to me that Pruitt thought JG was a stable, safe and no turnover maker qb that would not give away games, a safe solution. What this team needs is the gunslinger emotional guy that believes he can make everything work. We need a Tyler Bray, not a game manager, because this team is not good enough for safe play. I don’t know if we have one of those on the team but I certainly would like to see. I know the fans would go crazy if the new guy went downfield a bunch and threw some picks, but wouldn’t it be fun to watch a guy just bring it all?
 
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Volhoops said:
Why are people on here saying you shouldn't replace an experienced QB with a freshman. Guys his experience should tell us he can't play. It's time for something new and get away from the crap we've watch the last two years. Is everyone afraid the freshman will commit turn overs ? How many did Mr Experience have last week against a 2-10 team ? The next guy may have some turn overs the first game but at least we can hope he will learn from them and get better. That has not happened with JG. He is the same now as when he first started. Wonder if the people in Auburn are glad they started a true freshman last week. He struggled early but improved as the game went along.
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I believe it’s mostly due to the media criticizing the freshmen while putting JG on some kind of pedestal. We as a fan base can’t remember the last time a report even mentioned an off target or int thrown by JG. We also can’t remember one that DIDN'T say that about one or both of the freshman.
I’m not saying we’re being lied to but we damn sure are not being told the whole truth.
 
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GAVol said:
I don't think anybody is saying that. All I've said is that it was probably unrealistic to expect it to happen during the opener once the game was tight and JG wasn't good, but wasn't terrible either.
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I’ve seen worse games by qbs. But is it possible that we’ve seen so much JG and mediocre play that it’s come to be the norm and therefore lowered our standards of what some consider bad?
 
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1vol8 said:
I’ve seen worse games by qbs. But is it possible that we’ve seen so much JG and mediocre play that it’s come to be the norm and therefore lowered our standards of what some consider bad?
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I think it's a little hard to evaluate him because of the o-line. In some ways what hampers him the most (pass rush) is what buys him the benefit of the doubt. The question is how much is the protection and how much should he be able to mitigate with changes and getting the ball out on time to the right place.

I actually had a conversation with a guy on Tuesday that makes me think JG is seeing the field even worse than we think.
 
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