Pruitt about to land an epic recruiting class...

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jakez4ut said:
do you think KylePhillips is better/worse/the same today vs. the beginning of the year or at any point last year?
Drew Richmond? Worse
Alexis Johnson? Better
Micah Abernathy?
Nigel Warrior? Same
Baylen Buchannon?
darryl Taylor? Same ( auburn was great)
JG? Better
Callaway? Better


all i'm saying is that the results are what they are, and we generally know why we're getting them.

as to "performance", i think you can make a strong argument that performance has gotten better.

it has not gotten good enough overall to account for, or make up for, some of the overall issues we seem to experience....ie, those things you mentioned above, run defense last week, penalties, depth etc....

but there are things happening that do pass the eye test imo.
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Drew Richmond? Worse
Alexis Johnson? Better
Micah Abernathy? Idk
Nigel Warrior? Same
Baylen Buchannon? Idk
darryl Taylor? Same ( auburn was great)
JG? Better
Callaway? Better
 
#155
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jakez4ut said:
richmond has played a lot better, especially the last 3 weeks or so....
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I misread your original post. I am comparing this year so far to last year total.
Iyo, is DR ahead of last year or about the same overall?

Also LBs and DL are worse as units compared to last year?
 
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Hacksaw said:
Is Pruitt really doing that well? I honestly don't follow recruiting that closely.
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We are No. 14 in the 247 composite team rankings for the 2019 recruiting class. That is good for 6th in the SEC, about where we have averaged in the recruiting rankings for the last decade. Development is the key.
 
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McDad said:
I misread your original post. I am comparing this year so far to last year total.
Iyo, is DR ahead of last year or about the same overall?

Also LBs and DL are worse as units compared to last year?
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Gotcha....and I think Drew Richmonda, at this point this season, is having his best season at UT.

LB's, probalby a push at best. Taylor and bituli have both had more good moments than bad. DK and Sapp, have not been great overall.

i think the DL is better. primarily because Tuttle is playing like we thought he could, if he could stay healthy and knock on wood, he's been able to do that and he's been solid. but getting the production out of Johnson and Phillips has been very nice to see.

and while Kongbo wasn't setting the world on fire, he was having a decent year, relatively speaking, until he got hurt. he'll never get any real credit though because his production never came close to matching his potential.

edit: and i say all that knowing full well, that even with what i think is pretty solid improvement with some of these guys mentioned, it's not enough to make a difference yet. it's going to take that x 5 to get us where we need to be. none of what i posted above is a signal that we've arrived.

just that if i'm looking for signs of what might come.....i think these are good ones.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
We are No. 14 in the 247 composite team rankings for the 2019 recruiting class. That is good for 6th in the SEC, about where we have averaged in the recruiting rankings for the last decade. Development is the key.
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better because we are recruiting SEC caliber players and recruiting to the teams needs. LOS getting depth and quality....hopefully development....
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
We are No. 14 in the 247 composite team rankings for the 2019 recruiting class. That is good for 6th in the SEC, about where we have averaged in the recruiting rankings for the last decade. Development is the key.
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i think the evaluation process for this staff is a lot different than the last one. that combined with what looks like a staff that should develop pretty well, should bode well for the future. this staff recruits a different type of player than the last staff did. i think the last staff got too hung up on the recruiting rankings to some degree. this staff doesn't care. you either fit and they want you, or htey don't. that's why you saw them not really push for some of the in state kids that many here wanted, just becuasse they were were a 4* TN kid. that's what hte last staff did.
 
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Epic? Right now, there are five SEC schools ahead of Tennessee in the rankings for top prospects. And 14th nationally according to 247 sports.

If Tennessee wants to compete for championships, they are going to have to be consistent with top-five recruiting classes, year in and year out, and always build upfront on both sides of the ball. That was something Butch Jones And Derek Dooley sucked at
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
I could substitute “Kiffen” or “Dooley” or “Butch” for Pruitt and it would describe the program for the past decade

Always the dog chasing its tail.

Until we find a coach that can develop players on the field, we are going to continue to be talking about next year.
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I am confused as to what you are talking about as it relates to CJP, he inherited a mess, and by the way, Butch might have turned into a product of his own making, but he brought some pretty good games to UT. People like you can find fault in anything with others, but I would be willing to bet your no prize at work or home. From Kiffen to Pruitt, each one of these men demonstrated something to get the job, they all had success that signaled a possibility..........but it didn't happen. So, when you've been given the level of responsibility as a SEC Team and asked to be just like Nick Saban..........I will go out on a limb that you have never had this level of responsibility in your life as it pertains to sports. It is easy to criticise from your recliner in the basement, but until you walk a mile in these men's shoes...........I would stop posting idiotic statements like this.................Go Vols!
 
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I think the OL class is solid especially if they add one more and it would be Epic. I think the DL class is good, but would like to add at least 2 more juco/transfer DEs.

Would like another big RB
 
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Coach Pruitt is the only coach we have had where I have seen improvement on the field during the season. Kiffin maybe just based on Jonathan Crompton alone. I do believe we are better today than week 1. Can't say that for Dooley and Jones. If he can develop players that he did not recruit, I will not question his development of the players he wants to bring in.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think the evaluation process for this staff is a lot different than the last one. that combined with what looks like a staff that should develop pretty well, should bode well for the future. this staff recruits a different type of player than the last staff did. i think the last staff got too hung up on the recruiting rankings to some degree. this staff doesn't care. you either fit and they want you, or htey don't. that's why you saw them not really push for some of the in state kids that many here wanted, just becuasse they were were a 4* TN kid. that's what hte last staff did.
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Yes, another key point is that Pruitt is recruiting to power football and trench warfare. Butch recruited to finesse. That matters because SEC is a power football league.
 
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jakez4ut said:
nah, i get it now.

the excuse making at this point i think is moot. i haven't seen anything posted by a fan here that's so far out of line, at least as it pertains to an actual situation needed to be dealt with by the staff. we don't have enough depth on the LOS, we are young in the secondary, the O line isn't great, the schedule has been really hard, it is year one, and all the things that come along with a "year one"....etc, etc, etc....

the only way those become excuses is if they are used to explain how/why we lost a game. it may explain how a season turns out...all those things cumulatively do have an affect, and then become things that need to be fixed, either as the season goes along, or as your program moves on in it's development.

but as to specifically why we lost a game? it's usually something more tangible........
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Agreed.

I don't think there is anything out of line drastically in terms of defending Pruitt on here about lack of experience or youth, especially compared to how it was with Jones and Dooley. Agree with the youth in the secondary and the LOS issues. Just is what it is at this point.

That being said, I dont totally buy the narrative that Pruitt shouldn't be held accountable until he gets a majority of his players in here either. It became his team when he took the job, the good and bad parts of it. And I think there is more on the roster to work with than some acknowledge.

My main point earlier was with regards to discussing UGA. People wondering why they haven't been quite as good should realize they lost a lot of good players last year. Even if they are replaced with and 5 star players, they are still underclassmen and working through their own issues.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yep....i thnk guys like phillips and Johnson have both seen a lot of improvment since last year.

i think you can look at Richmond specifically on the O line and see that he's gotten better in just the last month. the interior of the line is a work in progress, but i'd tell you aside from the penalties they committed (which is part of their development imo), phyically they played pretty darn well last Saturday night....maybe their best game physically.

the CB's, well, they're freshmen. i think we all see the potential taylor and thompson have. they've both flashed several times this season, and they've both made the type of mistakes most of us thought they would make being freshmen.

JG is a lot better than he was last year. he's still got some issues. but he's made significant progress relative to what happened last year.

AGree about the WR group. i think getting Jennings back, and seeing him improve as well, has really helped the whole group out.

and i'm sure the coaches could point out more good and bad than we can. but i do think if you can see these types of things, then you kinda have to take Pruitt at his word that we just don't have enought guys making the gains some guys like these have.

if we did, we'd probably see some different results. so until we get more guys on the same page, at hte same effort and performance level, the same accountability level, the results will be mixed....kinda like they have been this year.
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Agree on Richmond and the physical side of things Saturday against SC. Makes it even more disappointing they weren't better prepared for the noise ( that godawful rooster was probably rattling around their heads in bed Sunday morning) and I think you gotta put a lot of that on coaching.

I think if I had to pick one group most improved if would be WR. Yeah, they have had drops at some really bad times but, they are a LOT more physical going after the ball, finishing the plays, and run blocking than last year.

Not surprised with the defense much. Mediocre up front and young in the secondary is a bad combination for any team. I thought LB would be a little more productive and a little more disruptive but that kind of goes hand in hand with the DL and DBs too.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Didnt say the staff was making excuses dude.

Plenty of VN posters did so for Dooley and Jones and are continuing the tradition with Pruitt though.
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So what you going to do about those unruly, uncomplient, rogue message board posters?
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
I could substitute “Kiffen” or “Dooley” or “Butch” for Pruitt and it would describe the program for the past decade

Always the dog chasing its tail.

Until we find a coach that can develop players on the field, we are going to continue to be talking about next year.
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Glad we found that coach.
 
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