Pruitt about to land an epic recruiting class...

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#126
thegasman54 said:
We are 9th for all you mouth breathers that can’t read good , and about to move up
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14th on 24/7 but who is counting?

UGA, FSU, Auburn, and SC all have comparable or better average rankings and fewer commits so they could jump the Vols as easily as the Vols could make up ground on anyone else.

Feel free to continue with the pep rally though.
 
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#127
McDad said:
I really like these discussions. So, thanks Behr.

At the end of the day, it is about coaching. CJP will be judged by the performance on the field over the years.
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if it was about performance on the field, then i don't know how you can't judge what's happened since game 1 anything but positively.

this team is definitley better than it was.

the performance has gotten better.

what you mean to say is he'll be judged by the results going forward. which is true.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
I don't know about you, but I see development by this staff.
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There has been development. I give CJP credit for it too. Even in the UGA loss, i could see a difference in the team performance.
Unfortunately that improvement coupled with the Auburn effort set the expectation that we would see a better team than we saw against USCe. All coaches/teams have an off day. USCe may be Pruitt's.
 
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jakez4ut said:
not tomention guys on defense like lorenzo carter etc......
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I know we played them much better than last year, just don't see a 26 point loss as a data point to be utilized as a positive for the program.

And frankly, anything looks like improvement compared to what Jones was doing last season.
 
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jakez4ut said:
if it was about performance on the field, then i don't know how you can't judge what's happened since game 1 anything but positively.

this team is definitley better than it was.

the performance has gotten better.

what you mean to say is he'll be judged by the results going forward. which is true.
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Ill tell ya how i can. Toss out Bama and cupcakes because they are that good/bad. I dont know we objectively measure performance.
That leaves 5 games to assess. WVU and UF were horrible. Team unprepared. Unmotivated. Disasters.

UGA and Auburn were better. Not perfect because that doesnt exist in football but we could see the improvement.

USCe. Offense improved. Defense regressed.

At least that's my view.
 
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jakez4ut said:
if it was about performance on the field, then i don't know how you can't judge what's happened since game 1 anything but positively.

this team is definitley better than it was.

the performance has gotten better.

what you mean to say is he'll be judged by the results going forward. which is true.
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Also....youre correct.."results" more accurate than "performance "
 
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jakez4ut said:
whos making excuses on the staff? you been watching Butch press conference re runs or something?
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Didnt say the staff was making excuses dude.

Plenty of VN posters did so for Dooley and Jones and are continuing the tradition with Pruitt though.
 
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McDad said:
Ill tell ya how i can. Toss out Bama and cupcakes because they are that good/bad. I dont know we objectively measure performance.
That leaves 5 games to assess. WVU and UF were horrible. Team unprepared. Unmotivated. Disasters.

UGA and Auburn were better. Not perfect because that doesnt exist in football but we could see the improvement.

USCe. Offense improved. Defense regressed.

At least that's my view.
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do you think KylePhillips is better/worse/the same today vs. the beginning of the year or at any point last year?
Drew Richmond?
Alexis Johnson?
Micah Abernathy?
Nigel Warrior?
Baylen Buchannon?
darryl Taylor?
JG?
Callaway?


all i'm saying is that the results are what they are, and we generally know why we're getting them.

as to "performance", i think you can make a strong argument that performance has gotten better.

it has not gotten good enough overall to account for, or make up for, some of the overall issues we seem to experience....ie, those things you mentioned above, run defense last week, penalties, depth etc....

but there are things happening that do pass the eye test imo.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
"this team is no better than last year"
REALLY? Do some of you folks even stop and think a few seconds after typing this stuff before hitting post reply?
Do you think Butch's 2017 team even keeps within three TDs of Auburn at home? Much less beat them on the road? By objective evidence it can be demonstrated that this year's team is obviously better than last year's. This team has an SEC win. And I think they get at least two more by the end of the season.
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While I agree this team is better than last year, I'm afraid they'll end with the same record. Fwiw, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
 
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butchna said:
And ended up at the same spot...him enrolled. Don’t personally care about the histrionics around it...just the end result.
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I don't disagree at all with your chain of thought at all. Don't care about histrionics either, but some do and this would have been a Catch 22 had he not made it into our system for some.......
 
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#141
As long as CJP + Staff recruits to the Teams needs and their prototype player who cares about rankings. Player evaluations with the exception of the top 50 per se are subjective to a degree and are an example of the squeaky door gets the oil.

Diamonds in the rough are not as rare as one might think. How many times has assistant gone to look at one prospect and found another just as good but underrated.....
 
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BeardedVol said:
This forum had nothing to do with Schiano not being hired. We could have ranted and raved for days on end to no avail. Charlie Egan, Charlie Anderson, Raja Jubran, and a handful of other outspoken boosters are the reason Schiano wasn't hired.

UT only hears the voices of those who consistently write large checks to the university.
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tnvols106 said:
If you look at the stats, they are the same, there are still 4 games left, so it can change, they showed the stats on the sports Source last Sunday. Just swap Auburn for GA Tech, I think that is who we opened up with.
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You can't swap Auburn for GA Tech. Two different quality programs
 
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jakez4ut said:
do you think KylePhillips is better/worse/the same today vs. the beginning of the year or at any point last year?
Drew Richmond?
Alexis Johnson?
Micah Abernathy?
Nigel Warrior?
Baylen Buchannon?
darryl Taylor?
JG?
Callaway?


all i'm saying is that the results are what they are, and we generally know why we're getting them.

as to "performance", i think you can make a strong argument that performance has gotten better.

it has not gotten good enough overall to account for, or make up for, some of the overall issues we seem to experience....ie, those things you mentioned above, run defense last week, penalties, depth etc....

but there are things happening that do pass the eye test imo.
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3 wins going into November, exactly like last year.
 
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jakez4ut said:
do you think KylePhillips is better/worse/the same today vs. the beginning of the year or at any point last year?
Drew Richmond?
Alexis Johnson?
Micah Abernathy?
Nigel Warrior?
Baylen Buchannon?
darryl Taylor?
JG?
Callaway?


all i'm saying is that the results are what they are, and we generally know why we're getting them.

as to "performance", i think you can make a strong argument that performance has gotten better.

it has not gotten good enough overall to account for, or make up for, some of the overall issues we seem to experience....ie, those things you mentioned above, run defense last week, penalties, depth etc....

but there are things happening that do pass the eye test imo.
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Little bit of a mixed bag but I'd say most of those guys you listed are seeing at least modest improvement.

Not sure anyone on the O line or defensive backfield has much to be proud of this season.

DBs still blowing too many assignments and not being near physical enough IMO. Better than last year but really dont like using last year as a bench mark

O line problems are well lamented at this point.

JG is developing slowly but developing and I really like what the WR group is doing.
 
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#147
JonGrudensAgent said:
Poorly worded on my part.
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nah, i get it now.

the excuse making at this point i think is moot. i haven't seen anything posted by a fan here that's so far out of line, at least as it pertains to an actual situation needed to be dealt with by the staff. we don't have enough depth on the LOS, we are young in the secondary, the O line isn't great, the schedule has been really hard, it is year one, and all the things that come along with a "year one"....etc, etc, etc....

the only way those become excuses is if they are used to explain how/why we lost a game. it may explain how a season turns out...all those things cumulatively do have an affect, and then become things that need to be fixed, either as the season goes along, or as your program moves on in it's development.

but as to specifically why we lost a game? it's usually something more tangible........
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Little bit of a mixed bag but I'd say most of those guys you listed are seeing at least modest improvement.

Not sure anyone on the O line or defensive backfield has much to be proud of this season.

DBs still blowing too many assignments and not being near physical enough IMO. Better than last year but really dont like using last year as a bench mark

O line problems are well lamented at this point.

JG is developing slowly but developing and I really like what the WR group is doing.
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yep....i thnk guys like phillips and Johnson have both seen a lot of improvment since last year.

i think you can look at Richmond specifically on the O line and see that he's gotten better in just the last month. the interior of the line is a work in progress, but i'd tell you aside from the penalties they committed (which is part of their development imo), phyically they played pretty darn well last Saturday night....maybe their best game physically.

the CB's, well, they're freshmen. i think we all see the potential taylor and thompson have. they've both flashed several times this season, and they've both made the type of mistakes most of us thought they would make being freshmen.

JG is a lot better than he was last year. he's still got some issues. but he's made significant progress relative to what happened last year.

AGree about the WR group. i think getting Jennings back, and seeing him improve as well, has really helped the whole group out.

and i'm sure the coaches could point out more good and bad than we can. but i do think if you can see these types of things, then you kinda have to take Pruitt at his word that we just don't have enought guys making the gains some guys like these have.

if we did, we'd probably see some different results. so until we get more guys on the same page, at hte same effort and performance level, the same accountability level, the results will be mixed....kinda like they have been this year.
 
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