Proof of the election fraud

[loggervol]

I’m sorry, I do know about one incident with the voting machines. But they caught it and changed the results on election night. I think it was 3600 Trump votes that went to Biden. But there’s no possible way that could have happened anywhere else though.

 

[BowlBrother85]

1. But they are evidence

2. You mean the video where they told everyone to leave because they were done counting for the night. Everyone leaves, they pull ballot boxes out from under a table covered with a black cloth. And, begin counting with no vote watchers in the room. Yeah, nothing suspicious about that at all.

Whose fact checkers? They said the one video had been debunked (the one I’m talking about) and that was the first time it had been seen.

That was from factcheck.org, and that is not what the video shows in its entirety. Once again, that video was never presented as evidence of fraud in a court of law. It has been misrepresented on cable news. You can get away with that when talking to Lou Dobbs (back when he had a show) who took allegations of fraud at face value and never challenged any of Trump's attorneys on the veracity of their claims. You can't pull that crap in a court of law.

 

[Septic]

1. But they are evidence

2. You mean the video where they told everyone to leave because they were done counting for the night. Everyone leaves, they pull ballot boxes out from under a table covered with a black cloth. And, begin counting with no vote watchers in the room. Yeah, nothing suspicious about that at all.

Whose fact checkers? They said the one video had been debunked (the one I’m talking about) and that was the first time it had been seen.

I'd imagine that Charles Manson would swear and submit an affidavit that he was totally innocent.

Checkmate level legal proof right there.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

My bad - I missed that.

So we have 2 examples of the opposition party calling an election illegitimate. Trump took it further and there is no excuse for that. Neither is there an excuse for "The Resistance" movement.

My goodness, the situations and objections aren't remotely the same. Just stop.

 

[Septic]

There is much hypocrisy from the liberals. The irony of some of what these folks say and think is enough to give anyone pause.

In my very subjective personal bubble of day to day life, nearly zero folks have any confidence in any future elections. None. Furthermore, if Biden gives amnesty to the 30,ooo,ooo plus illegal aliens present here on 1.1.21 as he claims he will....the Dimwits will likely win every presidential election from now until the civil war/revolution or WW3 when we tell our 50 trillion plus dollar debtors to go to Hell because we arent paying.....its the end of the USA as qe have known it either way .

Buy it cheap and stack it deep. Folks better stay the Hell away from my family if they want to keep breathing...

Be sure not to vote ever again, that'll show em.

 

[VolinWayne]

(1) Sworn affidavits are not proof of fraud by themselves. Just off the top of my head, one of those sworn statements was given by a man with a lengthy history of mental illness and involuntary commitments to mental institutions named Jesse Richard Morgan, a driver for the United States Postal Service from Pennsylvania. His claims have been thoroughly investigated and debunked. Jesse Morgan was probably the highest profile example of someone giving a sworn affidavit alleging fraudulent activity.

(2) There isn't video evidence of fraud from the 2020 election. You could be referring to one of several videos which have been debunked as being fraud. You are probably referring to the video from Georgia, which Donald Trump pushed on Twitter and was also referenced by former Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue. That video in question, claims to show poll workers actively stuffing ballot boxes from "suitcases" hidden under a table covered by a black cloth. That surveillance video, which comprises four security camera feeds - shows no irregularities, illegal behavior or evidence of malfeasance on behalf of the poll workers. Those supposed "suitcases" have been repeatedly identified by election officials as the standard boxes used in Fulton County to transport and store ballots. The video also fails to show any act of hiding or obscuring any ballots or election materials. Additionally, it also doesn't prove the Trump campaign's assertions that GOP monitors were told to leave the counting room in order for poll workers to engage in illegal ballot counting.

This fact check comes directly from "factcheck.org". If you were referring to another video, then please specify which one you are talking about. They have all been debunked for being examples of fraudulent activity and/or cheating. You can't wish something into reality, just because you desperately want it to be true. It should be proof enough for you that the video in question was never presented as evidence of fraud in a court of law. Regardless of what was alleged on cable news channels, attorneys representing the 2020 Trump Campaign's interests, cared too much about their law licenses then to bring that video before a judge.

This video is from Fulton county. Please explain to me how it's OK to run the same exact stack of ballots through the tabulator 3 or 4 times. The only "debunking" done in Fulton County was a few people saying "this was the most secure election ever, there was absolutely no fraud." They have never explained how it is not fraud to count the same ballots 3 or 4 times. Keep in mind this all happened in the middle of the night after they told all but 5 people to go home for the night. This video is absolute proof that can't be explained other then fraud.

 

[VolinWayne]

Just how badly were the electoral vote counts “cooked” in Georgia? According to this mathematician, the odds of the precise outcome pattern described in this video, which persisted for 90-minute intervals in precinct after precinct in Fulton County, are “one over ten to an exponent so large that there are not enough stars in the universe, there are not enough atoms in the universe to explain the number. It can’t happen naturally.” In short, these results can only be achieved by deliberate, algorithmic manipulation.

It's amazing how so many people just dismiss all of this work done by experts that absolutely proves that fraud did occur. These are real numbers folks

 

[Wafflestomper]

This video is from Fulton county. Please explain to me how it's OK to run the same exact stack of ballots through the tabulator 3 or 4 times. The only "debunking" done in Fulton County was a few people saying "this was the most secure election ever, there was absolutely no fraud." They have never explained how it is not fraud to count the same ballots 3 or 4 times. Keep in mind this all happened in the middle of the night after they told all but 5 people to go home for the night. This video is absolute proof that can't be explained other then fraud.

Please watch this video because the GA election official goes through and debunks claims like the ones you've just repeated.

They also have the full videos, not just short clips with no context, of what happened on Georgia's voting website here.

 

[BowlBrother85]

This video is from Fulton county. Please explain to me how it's OK to run the same exact stack of ballots through the tabulator 3 or 4 times. The only "debunking" done in Fulton County was a few people saying "this was the most secure election ever, there was absolutely no fraud." They have never explained how it is not fraud to count the same ballots 3 or 4 times. Keep in mind this all happened in the middle of the night after they told all but 5 people to go home for the night. This video is absolute proof that can't be explained other then fraud.

See the @Wafflestomper post above. Post #208 to this thread.

Wouldn't it have made sense for a video which "is absolute proof that can't be explained other than fraud" to have been presented in a court filing at some point? It has been explained many times and in many different places.

 

[VolinWayne]

Please watch this video because the GA election official goes through and debunks claims like the ones you've just repeated.

They also have the full videos, not just short clips with no context, of what happened on Georgia's voting website here.

See the @Wafflestomper post above. Post #208 to this thread.


Wouldn't it have made sense for a video which "is absolute proof that can't be explained other than fraud" to have been presented in a court filing at some point? It has been explained many times and in many different places.

So I'm supposed to just take Raffensberger at his word when he says they weren't counting those ballots twice. Fulton adjudicated around 106,000 out of around 113,300 ballots. The FEC allows for less then 1 percent. They have done absolutely everything they could possibly do to hide things and there has been anything but transparency in our GA election and you people wonder why we don't believe Raffensberger. Below is the video again that shows how easy it is to change votes during the adjudication process.

 

[Wafflestomper]

So I'm supposed to just take Raffensberger at his word when he says they weren't counting those ballots twice. Fulton adjudicated around 106,000 out of around 113,300 ballots. The FEC allows for less then 1 percent. They have done absolutely everything they could possibly do to hide things and there has been anything but transparency in our GA election and you people wonder why we don't believe Raffensberger. Below is the video again that shows how easy it is to change votes during the adjudication process.

You seem more than willing to take media pundits who weren't there at their word. That video I linked wasn't even Raffensperger, by the way. I have no idea about the adjudication rate but I don't see how that's relevant to the most recent allegations you brought up. Regardless, Ialready responded to the video you embedded--see post #40 in this thread.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

You good fellas here are wasting your time arguing with the liberals who will never, ever believe that there was any fraud. Its great that you post things though so that the rest of us can see evidence we may have never seen before. Thanks for posting.

Remember that these are folks who voted for Biden and actually believe the garbage that the Dimwits are doing and planning to do is a great idea.....think about that for a second. Seriously...

They will always dismiss you as a "dumb Trumper redneck" who just isnt smart enough to see things their way....despite having been told thousands of times in this very forum that nobody here even really liked Trump, we voted for him as a last ditch effort to try and keep the Dimwits from completely destroying this country. No sense in trying to have a rational conversation with irrational people.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You good fellas here are wasting your time arguing with the liberals who will never, ever believe that there was any fraud. Its great that you post things though so that the rest of us can see evidence we may have never seen before. Thanks for posting.

Remember that these are folks who voted for Biden and actually believe the garbage that the Dimwits are doing and planning to do is a great idea.....think about that for a second. Seriously...

They will always dismiss you as a "dumb Trumper redneck" who just isnt smart enough to see things their way....despite having been told thousands of times in this very forum that nobody here even really liked Trump, we voted for him as a last ditch effort to try and keep the Dimwits from completely destroying this country. No sense in trying to have a rational conversation with irrational people.

You can't get around a very basic point: This "proof" that you have leaned so heavily on in this thread, was never presented as evidence of fraud in a court of law by attorneys representing the 2020 Trump Campaign. These videos were mentioned on cable news shows by the Trump legal representation as though they were indisputable... but they were never brought before a judge. A reasonable person would conclude that was because those videos don't show what the various allegations of fraud purport them to show.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Whenever there's something I need to figure out I always ask myself what the ex meth head CEO of MyPillow believes on the topic and roll with that.

 

[Wafflestomper]

You good fellas here are wasting your time arguing with the liberals who will never, ever believe that there was any fraud. Its great that you post things though so that the rest of us can see evidence we may have never seen before. Thanks for posting.

Remember that these are folks who voted for Biden and actually believe the garbage that the Dimwits are doing and planning to do is a great idea.....think about that for a second. Seriously...

They will always dismiss you as a "dumb Trumper redneck" who just isnt smart enough to see things their way....despite having been told thousands of times in this very forum that nobody here even really liked Trump, we voted for him as a last ditch effort to try and keep the Dimwits from completely destroying this country. No sense in trying to have a rational conversation with irrational people.

Ironically, your assumptions here are telling about your ability to come to a reliably true conclusion. That I don't believe there was widespread fraud resulting in a stolen election for Biden doesn't mean I'm a liberal (I'm not) or that I voted for Biden (I didn't).

I also find it ironic how you go from assuming things about "dimwit" liberals and then turn around and complain how liberals will dismiss you as a "dumb Trump redneck." Do you read what you post or is it just sort of a stream of consciousness thing that dribbles out of your head onto the keyboard?

 

[Sandman 423]

Whenever there's something I need to figure out I always ask myself what the ex meth head CEO of MyPillow believes on the topic and roll with that.

So, are you saying we shouldn't take anyone seriously that has done hard drugs in their past?

 

[VolinWayne]

The effort in Arizona failed today when one POS Republicuck voted with the Dems resulting in a 15-15 tie vote and guaranteeing we’ll never know the truth.

Arizona Senate fails in attempt to hold Maricopa County supervisors in contempt over election audit

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...it/4435515001/

Here's an interview with one of the Senators. The simple fact that the Maricopa supervisors are fighting this tooth and nail screams that they are hiding something.

 

[VolinWayne]

Either Mike is a hero for putting this out there or he has went to great length to destroy his business.


https://www.electionrecords.com/scorecard/vault/r2.htm - Join the conversation on @clouthub

 

[UT_Dutchman]

Also, if you really believe this, you shouldn't have a problem with it. What did Trump do? The unemployment rate increased during his time in office (from 4.7% in January of 2017 to 6.3% in January of 2021). He embarrassed the country before our allies and he lied a ton. He is in bed with Russia.

Very disingenuous because of a pandemic. Why not look at it through January 2020, 3.6%, right before the pandemic, oh yeah wouldn't fit your agenda, narrative, etc....

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Ironically, your assumptions here are telling about your ability to come to a reliably true conclusion. That I don't believe there was widespread fraud resulting in a stolen election for Biden doesn't mean I'm a liberal (I'm not) or that I voted for Biden (I didn't).

I also find it ironic how you go from assuming things about "dimwit" liberals and then turn around and complain how liberals will dismiss you as a "dumb Trump redneck." Do you read what you post or is it just sort of a stream of consciousness thing that dribbles out of your head onto the keyboard?

Stream of consciousness. Always. Two thumbs blistering a pocket sized screen, generally devoid of punctuation. Sometimes even a wall of text just for good measure.

While i have neither the desire nor intent to argue with you or anyone else...

I believe that you sir have made the "assumptions here "... my post was directed specifically to the conservative folks here, and spoke only about liberals here, which according to you does not pertain to you in any way. So you assumed that I was speaking about you as well, when I clearly was not. That is a liberal standard move however...interject yourself into matters which apparently have nothing at all to do with you, then become offended and insulting. Textbook Dimwit move (see racism, sexism, and just about every other "ism" , none of which apply to the suburban white moms of Dimwit persuasion). They are great at sticking their noses in other peoples business and making a total mess of things. Examples abound.

Weird flex bud. Deny being a liberal, then get offended about a remark i made about liberals which apparently had nothing to do with you. You do you .

 

[ClearwaterVol]

This video is from Fulton county. Please explain to me how it's OK to run the same exact stack of ballots through the tabulator 3 or 4 times. The only "debunking" done in Fulton County was a few people saying "this was the most secure election ever, there was absolutely no fraud." They have never explained how it is not fraud to count the same ballots 3 or 4 times. Keep in mind this all happened in the middle of the night after they told all but 5 people to go home for the night. This video is absolute proof that can't be explained other then fraud.

There was no double or triple tallying of ballots. Raffensperger noted that ballots in Georgia have been counted and then recounted twice more for accuracy, including once by hand, and no discrepancy showed up in the Fulton County ballots, as it would have if someone improperly counted votes multiple times. “We did an audit of that,” Raffensperger told Trump. “It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.”

 

[Wafflestomper]

Stream of consciousness. Always. Two thumbs blistering a pocket sized screen, generally devoid of punctuation. Sometimes even a wall of text just for good measure.

While i have neither the desire nor intent to argue with you or anyone else...

I believe that you sir have made the "assumptions here "... my post was directed specifically to the conservative folks here, and spoke only about liberals here, which according to you does not pertain to you in any way. So you assumed that I was speaking about you as well, when I clearly was not. That is a liberal standard move however...interject yourself into matters which apparently have nothing at all to do with you, then become offended and insulting. Textbook Dimwit move (see racism, sexism, and just about every other "ism" , none of which apply to the suburban white moms of Dimwit persuasion). They are great at sticking their noses in other peoples business and making a total mess of things. Examples abound.

Weird flex bud. Deny being a liberal, then get offended about a remark i made about liberals which apparently had nothing to do with you. You do you .

So are you saying that you know 1) who among us are liberals; 2) who they voted for in the election; 3) that they wholesale support the Biden administration plans; 4) that they're unwilling to change their minds regardless of what evidence may be presented; and 5) that they will summarily dismiss any opposing argument presented due to their interlocutor being "a dumb Trumper redneck"? And then turn around and claim I'm the one making unfounded assumptions. Huh...

You posted your monologue right after my post and did not specify who you were warning conservatives about. So clear the air and specifically tell everyone whose posts you were referring to and how you came to all those conclusions.

 

[Electric Orange]

If You Thought The 2020 Elections Were Chaotic, Just Wait | ZeroHedge

 

[BowlBrother85]

There was no double or triple tallying of ballots. Raffensperger noted that ballots in Georgia have been counted and then recounted twice more for accuracy, including once by hand, and no discrepancy showed up in the Fulton County ballots, as it would have if someone improperly counted votes multiple times. “We did an audit of that,” Raffensperger told Trump. “It was proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.”

Trump's arguments depend upon a general ignorance of the process of voting tabulations and subsequent recounts. Trump also depends on his supporters not understanding the United States Constitution. During his rallies for Loeffler and Perdue, as well as in his messages on Twitter, Trump told his followers that there was still a chance to overturn the results of the 2020 Presidential Election. He said this all the way through January 6th. According to Trump, all they needed was for "Mike" and Senate Republicans to show some "courage" and "loyalty". This was a lie. After the meeting of the electoral college on Monday December 14th, it was over. There was not a pathway forward to overturning the electoral college results within the framework of the United States Constitution... and yet, Trump stubbornly persisted.

At the heart of everything Trump does is an egotistical nature and an eagerness to lie. At the heart of every Trump supporter is a willingness to believe anything he says, regardless of how ridiculous it is. This is how conspiracy theories are born.... when blind faith and devotion are given to people who say things which couldn't possibly be true.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Thats funny bud. You must have me confused with someone else.