Proof of the election fraud

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BowlBrother85 said:
If you say so... I don't care enough to look back and fact check this. However, Hillary Clinton conceded defeat the morning after the election while giving a very gracious concession speech in the process (something Trump never did). She also attended Trump's inauguration. The Obama Administration cooperated fully with the Trump transition team beginning the week of the 2016 election... This is true even though the outcome in the electoral college was exactly the same as in 2020 (306 to 232).
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Yes, Trump's reaction was worse. I'm just pointing out the alternative reality field of "this is all new". Dems reacted horribly to Trump's election and that isn't changed because Trump reacted worse.

When McConnell said his job was to see that Obama was a 1 term POTUS the left and media freaked out but didn't bat an eye when "The Resistance" immediately emerged after Trump's election.

Bad behavior is bad behavior. I honestly have never seen any Democrat admit any of their own behavior was wrong.
 
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volinbham said:
Yes, Trump's reaction was worse. I'm just pointing out the alternative reality field of "this is all new". Dems reacted horribly to Trump's election and that isn't changed because Trump reacted worse.

When McConnell said his job was to see that Obama was a 1 term POTUS the left and media freaked out but didn't bat an eye when "The Resistance" immediately emerged after Trump's election.

Bad behavior is bad behavior. I honestly have never seen any Democrat admit any of their own behavior was wrong.
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Probably true. I've never seen Trump admit that any of his own behavior was wrong. In general, politicians don't like to do that.
 
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volinbham said:
how about you - was the behavior of Democrats wrong with regard to the Trump election?
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Ironically, the only accusations of systemic, widespread, voter fraud which were made following the 2016 Presidential Election were levied by none other than Donald Trump... in order to explain away how Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Trump pledged to form a commission to investigate these claims of fraud, primarily in California... but apparently, this commission never uncovered anything and those accusations have long since been forgotten.

I don't recall any accusations of votes being changed by corrupt voting systems in 2016, by either side. There were Democrats who blamed Hillary Clinton's defeat on Russian interference (and on James Comey's statement a week before the election). That was wrong and misguided... but not the same thing at all, as what Trump did from November 3rd to January 6th. Any chance Trump had of overturning the results of the 2020 Presidential Election was over on Monday December 14th, following the meeting of the electoral college. However, Trump continued to tell his supporters that he could still win the election for another 23 days when everything came to a boil on Wednesday January 6th. That was dishonest, reckless and irresponsible.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Ironically, the only accusations of systemic, widespread, voter fraud which were made following the 2016 Presidential Election were levied by none other than Donald Trump... in order to explain away how Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Trump pledged to form a commission to investigate these claims of fraud, primarily in California... but apparently, this commission never uncovered anything and those accusations have long since been forgotten.

I don't recall any accusations of votes being changed by corrupt voting systems in 2016, by either side. There were Democrats who blamed Hillary Clinton's defeat on Russian interference (and on James Comey's statement a week before the election). That was wrong and misguided... but not the same thing at all, as what Trump did from November 3rd to January 6th. Any chance Trump had of overturning the results of the 2020 Presidential Election was over on Monday December 14th, following the meeting of the electoral college. However, Trump continued to tell his supporters that he could still win the election for another 23 days when everything came to a boil on Wednesday January 6th. That was dishonest, reckless and irresponsible.
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As expected, you can't say that the Dem behavior in 2016 was wrong.

as for some of your specifics there were plenty of accusations that Russian Interference™ was the reason Trump won - much more vague than corrupt voting systems to be sure but still a campaign that the election results were illegitimate - telling that you can't admit any of that was wrong.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Ironically, the only accusations of systemic, widespread, voter fraud which were made following the 2016 Presidential Election were levied by none other than Donald Trump... in order to explain away how Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Trump pledged to form a commission to investigate these claims of fraud, primarily in California... but apparently, this commission never uncovered anything and those accusations have long since been forgotten.

I don't recall any accusations of votes being changed by corrupt voting systems in 2016, by either side. There were Democrats who blamed Hillary Clinton's defeat on Russian interference (and on James Comey's statement a week before the election). That was wrong and misguided... but not the same thing at all, as what Trump did from November 3rd to January 6th. Any chance Trump had of overturning the results of the 2020 Presidential Election was over on Monday December 14th, following the meeting of the electoral college. However, Trump continued to tell his supporters that he could still win the election for another 23 days when everything came to a boil on Wednesday January 6th. That was dishonest, reckless and irresponsible.
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@volinbham ,

I just said "That was wrong and misguided".
 
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Septic said:
I feel like one of the Trumpers ought to reign this toothless Chihuahua in.
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*rein.

Kings reign. Tethers that control a creature typically a horse or other beasts of burden are *reins. The clouds rain. Top shelf homophones there, Compadre. Brought to you from the resident blue collar skoller...
 
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#190
Just how badly were the electoral vote counts “cooked” in Georgia? According to this mathematician, the odds of the precise outcome pattern described in this video, which persisted for 90-minute intervals in precinct after precinct in Fulton County, are “one over ten to an exponent so large that there are not enough stars in the universe, there are not enough atoms in the universe to explain the number. It can’t happen naturally.” In short, these results can only be achieved by deliberate, algorithmic manipulation.
 
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The problem is, if I believe something different than what the left is saying, it’s wrong. When has people ever been silenced for their beliefs. My first Amendment rights give me the right to say, think and believe what I want. Why are people being canceled or considered one of the ism’s or worse for what they believe? This is a real problem in our society right now. We are dealing with a true cancel culture. Our Constitution is being shredded before our eyes and a lot of someone’s are failing us.

Whether there was problems with the machines or not. I have no idea because I’m not privy to such information. I do know that States changed their election laws unconstitutionally and that there was irregularities in the vote. I think many woke up the morning after the election and said what the hell happened. But, I’m supposed to believe news agencies and democrats that spent 4 yrs on a collusion theory that was never proven.

Democrats on this board, joe is the president. It’s been over for a while. Take the win. If we’re crazy trumpers the way you say we are, why are you arguing with us? How crazy are you to be arguing with a crazy Trumper? If you want to have meaningful conversation, good. We need it.

There needed to be a investigation and a true audit on the last election. Telling people to shut up and sit down isn’t helping our country. No matter the outcome of the investigation, it would have eased people’s minds and it would have helped unify the country. And, all people, would have had confidence in our vote again. Our free and fair election is what makes this country. And, I think no one will disagree with me on this.
 
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loggervol said:
The problem is, if I believe something different than what the left is saying, it’s wrong. When has people ever been silenced for their beliefs. My first Amendment rights give me the right to say, think and believe what I want. Why are people being canceled or considered one of the ism’s or worse for what they believe? This is a real problem in our society right now. We are dealing with a true cancel culture. Our Constitution is being shredded before our eyes and a lot of someone’s are failing us.

Whether there was problems with the machines or not. I have no idea because I’m not privy to such information. I do know that States changed their election laws unconstitutionally and that there was irregularities in the vote. I think many woke up the morning after the election and said what the hell happened. But, I’m supposed to believe news agencies and democrats that spent 4 yrs on a collusion theory that was never proven.

Democrats on this board, joe is the president. It’s been over for a while. Take the win. If we’re crazy trumpers the way you say we are, why are you arguing with us? How crazy are you to be arguing with a crazy Trumper? If you want to have meaningful conversation, good. We need it.

There needed to be a investigation and a true audit on the last election. Telling people to shut up and sit down isn’t helping our country. No matter the outcome of the investigation, it would have eased people’s minds and it would have helped unify the country. And, all people, would have had confidence in our vote again. Our free and fair election is what makes this country. And, I think no one will disagree with me on this.
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You have a glaring misunderstanding of the 1A. Makes me not care about the rest of what you posted bc you failed basic social studies.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That will be very easy to do since he is currently the President of the United States.
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Not really. Like most of your side claimed the last 4 years, he isn’t my president. Trump was legitimately elected. Biden wasn’t. There wasn’t tons of sworn affidavits that claimed fraudulent voting in favor of Trump. There wasn’t video evidence of it either.

Like I said he is your president. He has already killed jobs. Lied a ton. Embarrassed the country and is promoting illegal immigration. Then he is in bed with China. Hope you enjoy your demented turd sandwich who won a fraudulent election.
 
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There is much hypocrisy from the liberals. The irony of some of what these folks say and think is enough to give anyone pause.

In my very subjective personal bubble of day to day life, nearly zero folks have any confidence in any future elections. None. Furthermore, if Biden gives amnesty to the 30,ooo,ooo plus illegal aliens present here on 1.1.21 as he claims he will....the Dimwits will likely win every presidential election from now until the civil war/revolution or WW3 when we tell our 50 trillion plus dollar debtors to go to Hell because we arent paying.....its the end of the USA as qe have known it either way .

Buy it cheap and stack it deep. Folks better stay the Hell away from my family if they want to keep breathing...
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Not really. Like most of your side claimed the last 4 years, he isn’t my president. Trump was legitimately elected. Biden wasn’t. There wasn’t tons of sworn affidavits that claimed fraudulent voting in favor of Trump. There wasn’t video evidence of it either.

Like I said he is your president. He has already killed jobs. Lied a ton. Embarrassed the country and is promoting illegal immigration. Then he is in bed with China. Hope you enjoy your demented turd sandwich who won a fraudulent election.
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(1) Sworn affidavits are not proof of fraud by themselves. Just off the top of my head, one of those sworn statements was given by a man with a lengthy history of mental illness and involuntary commitments to mental institutions named Jesse Richard Morgan, a driver for the United States Postal Service from Pennsylvania. His claims have been thoroughly investigated and debunked. Jesse Morgan was probably the highest profile example of someone giving a sworn affidavit alleging fraudulent activity.

(2) There isn't video evidence of fraud from the 2020 election. You could be referring to one of several videos which have been debunked as being fraud. You are probably referring to the video from Georgia, which Donald Trump pushed on Twitter and was also referenced by former Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue. That video in question, claims to show poll workers actively stuffing ballot boxes from "suitcases" hidden under a table covered by a black cloth. That surveillance video, which comprises four security camera feeds - shows no irregularities, illegal behavior or evidence of malfeasance on behalf of the poll workers. Those supposed "suitcases" have been repeatedly identified by election officials as the standard boxes used in Fulton County to transport and store ballots. The video also fails to show any act of hiding or obscuring any ballots or election materials. Additionally, it also doesn't prove the Trump campaign's assertions that GOP monitors were told to leave the counting room in order for poll workers to engage in illegal ballot counting.

This fact check comes directly from "factcheck.org". If you were referring to another video, then please specify which one you are talking about. They have all been debunked for being examples of fraudulent activity and/or cheating. You can't wish something into reality, just because you desperately want it to be true. It should be proof enough for you that the video in question was never presented as evidence of fraud in a court of law. Regardless of what was alleged on cable news channels, attorneys representing the 2020 Trump Campaign's interests, cared too much about their law licenses then to bring that video before a judge.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Not really. Like most of your side claimed the last 4 years, he isn’t my president. Trump was legitimately elected. Biden wasn’t. There wasn’t tons of sworn affidavits that claimed fraudulent voting in favor of Trump. There wasn’t video evidence of it either.

Like I said he is your president. He has already killed jobs. Lied a ton. Embarrassed the country and is promoting illegal immigration. Then he is in bed with China. Hope you enjoy your demented turd sandwich who won a fraudulent election.
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Also, if you really believe this, you shouldn't have a problem with it. What did Trump do? The unemployment rate increased during his time in office (from 4.7% in January of 2017 to 6.3% in January of 2021). He embarrassed the country before our allies and he lied a ton. He is in bed with Russia.
 
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#199
BowlBrother85 said:
(1) Sworn affidavits are not proof of fraud by themselves. Just off the top of my head, one of those sworn statements was given by a man with a lengthy history of mental illness and involuntary commitments to mental institutions named Jesse Richard Morgan, a driver for the United States Postal Service from Pennsylvania. His claims have been thoroughly investigated and debunked. Jesse Morgan was probably the highest profile example of someone giving a sworn affidavit alleging fraudulent activity.

(2) There isn't video evidence of fraud from the 2020 election. You could be referring to one of several videos which have been debunked as being fraud. You are probably referring to the video from Georgia, which Donald Trump pushed on Twitter and was also referenced by former Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue. That video in question, claims to show poll workers actively stuffing ballot boxes from "suitcases" hidden under a table covered by a black cloth. That surveillance video, which comprises four security camera feeds - shows no irregularities, illegal behavior or evidence of malfeasance on behalf of the poll workers. Those supposed "suitcases" have been repeatedly identified by election officials as the standard boxes used in Fulton County to transport and store ballots. The video also fails to show any act of hiding or obscuring any ballots or election materials. Additionally, it also doesn't prove the Trump campaign's assertions that GOP monitors were told to leave the counting room in order for poll workers to engage in illegal ballot counting.

This fact check comes directly from "factcheck.org". If you were referring to another video, then please specify which one you are talking about. They have all been debunked for being examples of fraudulent activity and/or cheating. You can't wish something into reality, just because you desperately want it to be true. It should be proof enough for you that the video in question was never presented as evidence of fraud in a court of law. Regardless of what was alleged on cable news channels, attorneys representing the 2020 Trump Campaign's interests, cared too much about their law licenses then to bring that video before a judge.
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1. But they are evidence

2. You mean the video where they told everyone to leave because they were done counting for the night. Everyone leaves, they pull ballot boxes out from under a table covered with a black cloth. And, begin counting with no vote watchers in the room. Yeah, nothing suspicious about that at all.

Whose fact checkers? They said the one video had been debunked (the one I’m talking about) and that was the first time it had been seen.
 
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What about the video where they’d kicked all of the republican vote watchers out of the building. Then they started covering the glass with paper so no one could see in. I think that was in either philly or Detroit.
 
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