President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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utvolpj said:
She is in this situation. Using dead people for political gain is worse
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Tragedy is used to push agenda all the time. I'm sure the mother believes in fighting against the rise of Fentanyl flooding into this country. We see tragedy, especially involving children, used to create new laws all the time. FFS, the left has used the tragedy of school shootings to push their anti-gun agenda for years now. And if a Republican laughed while talking about one of those shootings, I'd feel the same. If a parent feels you have disrespected their tragedy, apologize. Especially if you're an elected official meant to serve the public, which the President is.
 
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utvolpj said:
No I just have the ability to see it wasn't a laugh from humor and wasn't directed towards the dead but rather the accusation. MTG blamed Biden for their death while using the kids as a political pawn. She doesn't give one damn about them except that she could take an ignorant shot at Biden.
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You don't get to choose what offends the grieving mother. Biden should apologize to her. Not to MTG, but to the grieving mother he offended, whether the offense was intentional or not.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
No it wouldn't. There would still be a black market for them.
I agree that the cops wouldn't have to waste any time running down weed smokers. That IS stupid, but the cartels won't go anywhere.
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Repealing prohibition sure put the bootleggers out of business. For the most part.
 
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Weezer said:
You don't get to choose what offends the grieving mother. Biden should apologize to her. Not to MTG, but to the grieving mother he offended, whether the offense was intentional or not.
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Maybe she should reevaluate what's offensive and what isn't. His comment was never directed towards the mother
 
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Weezer said:
Or maybe Biden should just apologize for unintentionally offending her.

You act as if saying "I'm sorry" is the worst thing in the world.
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Then so should MTG for weaving her dead kids into a political lie. What are the odds though that their political leanings align?
 
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utvolpj said:
Then so should MTG for weaving her dead kids into a political lie. What are the odds though that their political leanings align?
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Only MTG didn't offend her. IF the mother expressed that MTG had offended her and asked for an apology, then I would say MTG owed her an apology. As far as I know, that hasn't happened. This isn't a tit for tat situation, though you are attempting to make it one. You're trying to rationalize grief. There is nothing rational about grief. If you want to make it political, which you seem to want to do, then Biden could issue an apology while at the same time using it to his advantage to make MTG look stupid. But however he does it, he should issue an apology.
 
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Weezer said:
True, but when you're the President of the United States, you shouldn't be publicly laughing when relating a story about the death of two U.S. citizens.

Biden should publicly apologize to the mother. She asked for an apology, and it's the decent thing to do in this situation. It goes beyond politics. Just be a decent human being.
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You're asking for too much from the POS Biden. And all these people defending him are in the same category as him.
 
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utvolpj said:
The fed govt is allowing it and has for a very long time. MTG was wrong in the accusation and was using the dead people to earn political points.

You'll never fix the fentanyl issue as long as all drugs are illegal.
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So if we make fentanyl legal, then people won't actually be taking and dying from an illegal drug? In advance, I know what you are driving at, but I don't think legalizing drugs fixes the problem either. Once people get used to one thing and it no longer gives them what they are looking for, they will try other things, so how far are you willing to go on legalizing drugs? How would you deal with drug testing in the workplace when drugs are legal? Or do you mind if a surgeon higher than you are operates on you?
 
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utvolpj said:
Not really but it was enacted in 2019. It also did nothing to address the need for labor in the US

Again my question was about immigration policy changes put into law.
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How about we stop government payments that make it possible for our own citizens not to work first. What jobs do you think the typical illegal alien can handle? Remember education, work history, and a language barrier; I'll even throw in they might have a better overall work ethic than our current job aged workforce. It seems like our internal failure to fill workplace needs doesn't necessitate opening our borders to anybody and everybody.
 
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AM64 said:
So if we make fentanyl legal, then people won't actually be taking and dying from an illegal drug? In advance, I know what you are driving at, but I don't think legalizing drugs fixes the problem either. Once people get used to one thing and it no longer gives them what they are looking for, they will try other things, so how far are you willing to go on legalizing drugs? How would you deal with drug testing in the workplace when drugs are legal? Or do you mind if a surgeon higher than you are operates on you?
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Legalizing drugs doesn't mean it would be okay to be under the influence at work. Alcohol is legal, but you can't show up to work drunk.

If drugs were legalized, I'd expect an initial spike in overdose deaths, but eventually it would probably level out. Drugs being legal or illegal are not going to stop people from doing them. What it would do is keep a lot of people from going to jail for simply possessing or using drugs. And that's a lot of people.

I go back and forth on whether I think drugs should be legal. I support the legalization of marijuana, but I flip flop on whether the harder drugs should be legal or not. But I do think it's worthy of debates. There are many fair points to be made on each side.
 
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Weezer said:
Legalizing drugs doesn't mean it would be okay to be under the influence at work. Alcohol is legal, but you can't show up to work drunk.

If drugs were legalized, I'd expect an initial spike in overdose deaths, but eventually it would probably level out. Drugs being legal or illegal are not going to stop people from doing them. What it would do is keep a lot of people from going to jail for simply possessing or using drugs. And that's a lot of people.

I go back and forth on whether I think drugs should be legal. I support the legalization of marijuana, but I flip flop on whether the harder drugs should be legal or not. But I do think it's worthy of debates. There are many fair points to be made on each side.
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I think back to all the drug training sessions (both employee and for managers) that I had to attend over the years. One issue stressed in the management courses was that tests can determine alcohol intoxication but they are far less effective for immediate screening of other drugs including marijuana. Marijuana can show positive for quite some time after use as I recall, and poppy seeds in foods can cause other false positives. So that brings up legal issues for managers both ways. One for not observing or missing the signs of compromised workers who cause harm to others, and another for accusing/questioning an employee of being compromised that testing couldn't prove.

Could be I'm less accepting of recreational drug and alcohol use based on the fitness for duty aspect and having been in an industry that tested randomly and for cause. The first questions we had to ask someone if an emergency came up and we needed them to work had to do with were they fit for duty - like alcohol consumption and how long prior.
 
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AM64 said:
So if we make fentanyl legal, then people won't actually be taking and dying from an illegal drug? In advance, I know what you are driving at, but I don't think legalizing drugs fixes the problem either. Once people get used to one thing and it no longer gives them what they are looking for, they will try other things, so how far are you willing to go on legalizing drugs? How would you deal with drug testing in the workplace when drugs are legal? Or do you mind if a surgeon higher than you are operates on you?
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Employers should be able to set their own drug policies like they do now. I also don’t think we’d see a big rise in drug use if everything was legalized. Few people don’t do drugs because they are illegal.
 
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