President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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BowlBrother85 said:
It is a provable, flat out lie to say that the forecasts for how much rain would fall were accurate or "precise." The National Weather Service underestimated the amount of rain that would fall by about 50%, in fact.
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Lol. The National Weather Service has NEVER been able to accurately predict the amount of rain that would fall.
 
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Vol423 said:
Lol. The National Weather Service has NEVER been able to accurately predict the amount of rain that would fall.
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I do not claim that cuts to NWS caused this or led to inadequate warnings. I would have no basis to say so.

I do have a basis to say that Trump within 30 days of saying he wants to end FEMA - and that if governors of disaster-afflicted states can't handle it -- then they don't deserve to be governor, now simply refuses to discuss it, to acknowledge his earlier comments, or to admit he may have been wrong about his proposal to end FEMA in the first place.
 
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hog88 said:
Why not?
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Some disasters represent such a large and immediate effect that a state cannot handle it, alone. Fires, hurricanes, flooding. It has never been perfect, but it has helped a lot of people in dire circumstances and ending it because you want to sound like you are promoting state's rights and responsibilities -- and then 30 days later deploying it -- makes you look like the fool you are.
 
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Vol423 said:
...and it hasn't happened (at least not yet). So, you actively criticize Trump for using FEMA. Had Trump not activated FEMA, you'd be criticizing Trump for not activating FEMA. Everyone here knows the liberal playbook, LG.
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I am, rightfully, criticizing him for saying he wants to end a program which he then in turn uses within 30 days of saying that. He deserves to be criticized for saying it in the first place.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Some disasters represent such a large and immediate effect that a state cannot handle it, alone. Fires, hurricanes, flooding. It has never been perfect, but it has helped a lot of people in dire circumstances and ending it because you want to sound like you are promoting state's rights and responsibilities -- and then 30 days later deploying it -- makes you look like the fool you are.
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It it no way makes him look like a fool for wanting to get rid of FEMA and then deploying it 30 days later.

The states would have to to have time to set up their own disaster response systems and supplies if FEMA was ever truly gotten rid of. We survived and thrived without FEMA for over 200 years so I think the concept is proven that states can manage.
 
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hog88 said:
It it no way makes him look like a fool for wanting to get rid of FEMA and then deploying it 30 days later.

The states would have to to have time to set up their own disaster response systems and supplies if FEMA was ever truly gotten rid of. We survived and thrived without FEMA for over 200 years so I think the concept is proven that states can manage.
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Then why did he deploy FEMA to Texas?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am, rightfully, criticizing him for saying he wants to end a program which he then in turn uses within 30 days of saying that. He deserves to be criticized for saying it in the first place.
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No. You were going to use this disaster to criticize Trump regardless of what he did or didn't do. You just had to determine what spin you were going to use this time.
 
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Vol423 said:
No. You were going to use this disaster to criticize Trump regardless of what he did or didn't do. You just had to determine what spin you were going to use this time.
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No, I did not criticize him over the NWS cuts and had he not deployed FEMA I'd have had no basis to criticize him about this. My criticism is not about his response to this disaster -- which has been correct, which is so say to deploy FEMA. That is what he should have done.

My criticism is that he said he wanted to end FEMA in the first place and then for using FEMA and when confronted not admitting that his first comments may have been wrong.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Some disasters represent such a large and immediate effect that a state cannot handle it, alone. Fires, hurricanes, flooding. It has never been perfect, but it has helped a lot of people in dire circumstances and ending it because you want to sound like you are promoting state's rights and responsibilities -- and then 30 days later deploying it -- makes you look like the fool you are.
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States could form their own disaster response teams and work together with other states when a disaster hits. Kind of like utility companies, contractors, etc do.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You do realize that Donald Trump was one of those people who was directly blaming Biden/Harris for a bad federal response and/or lack of preparedness for Helene .... right?

When it comes to politicians, it is often the same people who are defending themselves now, and decrying the politicization of a tragedy .... that were so quick to blame other politicians in the past for the same thing they now say shouldn't be politicized.

It is a toxic culture of hypocrisy and selective outrage based solely on tribal politics.
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I was agreeing with you until this post. It is wrong. The Helene finger pointing eas about the response if FEMA and lack of support after the Hurricane. Not the Hurricane itself.
 
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I don't even know what the point of supporting Donald Trump is, other than opposition to trans and immigrants. Foreign policy is a disaster. Spending is a disaster. DOGE was a disaster. The trade wars are a disaster. We're expanding the power of the executive in direct opposition to constitutional protections from the bill of rights.

And now this. Gotta be the socialists to beat the socialists?

reason.com

Trump's controlling stake in U.S. steel is indefensible socialist nonsense

Any decisions made by U.S. Steel's executives and shareholders will require approval from Trump, his appointees, or his successors.
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