Prediction article on Joey for this season

#29
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#1fulmerite said:
Of his INT’s, how many of them were related to the receiver not being at the correct placement? If that was an/the issue, surely with competent DI SEC receivers, that would no longer be an/the issue.
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But do we have competent SEC receivers? We have one guy with any real experience, and he didn’t set the world on fire
 
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McDad said:
What are you looking at specifically which gives a sense that he struggled with line calls and coverage reads? Is that a stat like sacks or throw aways? Or, was there something the coaches said which clued you into that?
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Seemed to confidently pull up after the snap only to find that what he thought he had wasn't there. Focusing in on one WR as if he expected him to be open while another guy ran free even in the same window. Gave up on plays too soon. To me, it looked like DCs discovered ways to disguise their D in ways he couldn't pick up on.

There were times with various receivers when it looked like he expected them to do one thing but they did something different. Someone read the coverage wrong. It doesn't make sense that it would be the receiver all the time.

My personal opinion is that the OL wasn't at fault all the time. They were excellent in run blocking so it isn't as if they lacked physical ability. UT's sacks allowed increased. I don't think it is because they suddenly started sucking.
 
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sjt18 said:
Seemed to confidently pull up after the snap only to find that what he thought he had wasn't there. Focusing in on one WR as if he expected him to be open while another guy ran free even in the same window. Gave up on plays too soon. To me, it looked like DCs discovered ways to disguise their D in ways he couldn't pick up on.

There were times with various receivers when it looked like he expected them to do one thing but they did something different. Someone read the coverage wrong. It doesn't make sense that it would be the receiver all the time.

My personal opinion is that the OL wasn't at fault all the time. They were excellent in run blocking so it isn't as if they lacked physical ability. UT's sacks allowed increased. I don't think it is because they suddenly started sucking.
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Moreso an eye test based on your experience and a sack stat kicker than other hard data points?
 
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sjt18 said:
Seemed to confidently pull up after the snap only to find that what he thought he had wasn't there. Focusing in on one WR as if he expected him to be open while another guy ran free even in the same window. Gave up on plays too soon. To me, it looked like DCs discovered ways to disguise their D in ways he couldn't pick up on.

There were times with various receivers when it looked like he expected them to do one thing but they did something different. Someone read the coverage wrong. It doesn't make sense that it would be the receiver all the time.

My personal opinion is that the OL wasn't at fault all the time. They were excellent in run blocking so it isn't as if they lacked physical ability. UT's sacks allowed increased. I don't think it is because they suddenly started sucking.
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Correct, they were not...Nico was absolutely terrible at avoiding sacks. He was one of the worst in the country for all starting QBs. Conversely Aguilar has been one of the better at this.
 
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sjt18 said:
Seemed to confidently pull up after the snap only to find that what he thought he had wasn't there. Focusing in on one WR as if he expected him to be open while another guy ran free even in the same window. Gave up on plays too soon. To me, it looked like DCs discovered ways to disguise their D in ways he couldn't pick up on.

There were times with various receivers when it looked like he expected them to do one thing but they did something different. Someone read the coverage wrong. It doesn't make sense that it would be the receiver all the time.

My personal opinion is that the OL wasn't at fault all the time. They were excellent in run blocking so it isn't as if they lacked physical ability. UT's sacks allowed increased. I don't think it is because they suddenly started sucking.
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As much as you dislike me, I’m still going to like this because it’s very worthy of my same sentiment.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think you are right but also that he may be better than Nico would have been. I was kind of disappointed that Nico wasn't further along than he was. They invested a year with him behind Milton but even by the end of last year he seemed to still struggle with line calls and coverage reads. Maybe expectations were too high. Maybe he would have grown into it with an off season. His physical talent is unquestionable and better than Aguilar's.

But we've seen all of that before. You recruit guys on their talent but you can't know how their mind for the game will develop until they play against higher competition.
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He obviously did not want to learn the offense that CJH runs. Coach even tried to figure out how to learn and install the pistol formation based offense that Nico ran in high school and the ungrateful young man still pulled the stunt with UCLA. As long as the QBs we have in the room right now don’t go rogue, I feel we will be far better than we would have been otherwise.
 
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I agree with all the comments on this, backs up what the article was saying, its not a big leap to outperform Nico's last season.

If Joey does win the job and with the Brandon kid coming in next yr with big hyp, I believe the fallout may be a transfer from Merk and possible the other guy. Just part of FB now, you want to recruit good QB's but with the portal you can't stock up on them. If they don't see playing time their gone, and they should go where they can play.
 
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I think the offense will be more balanced (JA's downfield throwing + RBs taking a tiny step back) and be more consistent with healthy OTs. Not sure that JA would be better than Nico would be this year but I think he'll he better than Nico was last year. He'll be better under pressure and not be gun shy.
Something that could play a big factor is fhe rule change about defensive injuries. If this allows the hurry up to get going again coupled with JA hitting a couple of those deep shots that Nico missed, the production should be between 22 and 23/24. Put that together with a solid defense (maybe not top 10 but top 20) and the team could easily go 10-2 again. I can't decide between 9-3 or 10-2. Depends on how the interior OL and WRs play (and secondary early in the year).
 
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Being a staunch Packers fan, I was a big Aaron Rodgers fan for many years. That is, until he got flaky as sh*t. Nearing the end of his time in Green Bay, Rodgers would mentally check himself out of 2-3 games per year and it was if he really wasn't even on the field. Drove me nuts. Guy has/had the talent to lead team to Victory but, he simply lost his focus. And don't get me started on how every week he'd come to play with a different hairdo. WTF? Boy was messed up in the head and then last year, much to my dismay, I saw a bit of him in Nico Suave. UT sure as heck does not need no stinkin' primadonna on the field, not now, not never!!

People say Joey has grit. I like grit. Especially on the football field. I'm pulling for him to be our starter and to play with the kind of grit and determination we've seen from a few V'sFL like White, Whitten, Manning, Wilson and a cast of others. We, VolNation, owe it to our tradition of fielding champions, to support Joey and give him a chance. And no, he ain't Nico. Thank God!!!!! Go Vols

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It is so hard to predict the results when a critically important position changes. We've seen this before when Peyton graduated and the team results were better the next season. I am sure that season is an outlier but it goes to show strange things can, and do, happen.

Nico is more talented. Physically, he can do the things you need a QB to do. Was he slow to process? Unable to make presnap reads? Unable to scan the field for the best option? i have no idea. But on paper, moving from nico to joey is a downgrade (assuming joey earns the starter role).

We are just going to have to wait and see what the team result of the move is.
 
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Every QB Josh Heupel has ever brought under his tutelage has improved. I honestly think Aguilar's propensity to take risks will serve him well. You almost prefer that to someone afraid to make tough throws. Heupel will get the turnovers down and use his gunslinger mentality as an asset.
 
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Pride85 said:
He obviously did not want to learn the offense that CJH runs. Coach even tried to figure out how to learn and install the pistol formation based offense that Nico ran in high school and the ungrateful young man still pulled the stunt with UCLA. As long as the QBs we have in the room right now don’t go rogue, I feel we will be far better than we would have been otherwise.
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I hope you are right about QB this fall. No doubt there are huge incentives for all of them to work hard.

My guess is that there were a lot of moving parts with his departure. Trying to leverage for more money seems to have been the start. You may be right about him wanting a more familiar O considering the rumors that he demanded upgrades on the OL as well. While I'm disappointed over the drama as a Vol fan, I think his ordeal is good for CFB. He overestimated his market value and didn't appreciate the deal he had. Now he's playing on a worse team for less money.

CBS has UCLA's over/under at 4.5. Not sure if that's pre/post Nico but I can't imagine him moving that number more than 2. Athlon predicts UCLA to finish 15th out of 18 in the Big 10. At this point, it looks like Nico made a very stupid move. It is a move that could easily cost him money at the next level or even an opportunity to play at the next level.
 
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KTrain said:
Also, I think he fumbled on 4 sacks which is worse than a Int. unless they return it past where you were sacked.
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Those were nerve racking. Credit our defense, specifically, JP who got one of those back on the next play. I think we took another back but not on the next series.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
As much as you dislike me, I’m still going to like this because it’s very worthy of my same sentiment.
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I don't remember disliking you. I lock horns with people here from time to time. Only a few have I found a reason not to like. Mostly the frauds like Dobbs4Heisman.

I often agree with people I "don't like" and disagree with people I do like. I can respect someone either way.
 
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Volador said:
Being a staunch Packers fan, I was a big Aaron Rodgers fan for many years. That is, until he got flaky as sh*t. Nearing the end of his time in Green Bay, Rodgers would mentally check himself out of 2-3 games per year and it was if he really wasn't even on the field. Drove me nuts. Guy has/had the talent to lead team to Victory but, he simply lost his focus. And don't get me started on how every week he'd come to play with a different hairdo. WTF? Boy was messed up in the head and then last year, much to my dismay, I saw a bit of him in Nico Suave. UT sure as heck does not need no stinkin' primadonna on the field, not now, not never!!

People say Joey has grit. I like grit. Especially on the football field. I'm pulling for him to be our starter and to play with the kind of grit and determination we've seen from a few V'sFL like White, Whitten, Manning, Wilson and a cast of others. We, VolNation, owe it to our tradition of fielding champions, to support Joey and give him a chance. And no, he ain't Nico. Thank God!!!!! Go Vols

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Right now, before the season begins, would u trade JA for Diego Pavia?

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#48
#48
RandomUTfan said:
Every QB Josh Heupel has ever brought under his tutelage has improved. I honestly think Aguilar's propensity to take risks will serve him go hear t tewell. You almost prefer that to someone afraid to make tough throws. Heupel will get the turnovers down and use his gunslinger mentality as an asset.
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Definitely prefer to have to throttle back than push to look for shots. Counting on him being prepared to chunk it when CJH defined windows are there. Anticipation is key and you either have it or you don’t. Hope we get to hear how he FIT IT IN a lot. Oh yeah, some threw him open takes would be good too.

Can see some Clausen with foot speed moments in our future.
 
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#49
Here's Joey Football in his first start ever at #17 UNC and Drake Maye. Now you can also watch the full game to see every pass if you want, but this has enough in it to give you a good idea of what we are getting.

He is decisive, he anticipates, has good velocity on throws and looked in total control in a game against a good UNC team. I mean, there's at least 3 or 4 throws we haven't seen here the last two years and a couple I didn't see Hooker even make. He does have one int, tried to force it in there on a rollout to the sideline. That does worry me and could cost us, but we still have a net gain in a guy that doesn't have egregious accuracy issues. I defended Joe and Nico a lot. They both had great plays that put them in the average to above average territory, but...their mistakes were out of the ordinary for most QB's. They were mechanical and had problems making the most routine throws too many times. I've watched maybe 5 Aguilar full games and other highlights and I haven't seen him missing WIDE OPEN wr's all over the field or throwing a bulleit 5 yards away. He has a normal strong arm with touch and doesn't get the yips. Offense gonna go vroom again.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
As much as you dislike me, I’m still going to like this because it’s very worthy of my same sentiment.
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PS- One of my best friends in HS and after was a UNC grad. If anything proves I can really hate something about someone and still be friends with them....
 
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