Practice 1 Updates 3.21

#151
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JMSqb11 said:
You do realize by Butch not pulling your boy in the SC game, we lost out on the Sugar Bowl right?
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So putting in a worse qb would have won the game?:eek:lol:

Dormady has done nothing in games or practice to say he would be anything but a drop off from Dobbs.
 
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k-town_king said:
So putting in a worse qb would have won the game?:eek:lol:

Dormady has done nothing in games or practice to say he would be anything but a drop off from Dobbs.
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When your starter is throwing balls in the dirt and progressively got worse throughout the game when the game is still up in the air, you pull the guy. We had nothing to lose and everything to gain in the end of the 3rd quarter. Dormady couldn't have done any worse than the 2.5 quarters that Dobbs had played to that point.
 
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#155
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JMSqb11 said:
When your starter is throwing balls in the dirt and progressively got worse throughout the game when the game is still up in the air, you pull the guy. We had nothing to lose and everything to gain in the end of the 3rd quarter. Dormady couldn't have done any worse than the 2.5 quarters that Dobbs had played to that point.
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You don't pull an entrenched starter at qb for a bad game. That is stupid. All qbs have a bad game here and there. That doesn't mean you pull the guy who has been outperforming the other guy because of one bad day. Should the Patriots have pulled Brady against the Broncos this year?
 
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Really hoping Sapp has the injury bug behind him and is ready to go-- I really think this kid is athletic enough to make a big difference depending on the package. He's gotta be chomping at the bit to get in there and have a full season.
Also hoping Austin Smith is able to provide good depth at LB, which is what we need.
Picou has put on some good weight so I am hoping he too will make a difference- we desperately need some depth at D line.
 
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Volinnooga said:
You know Peterman turned out to be a very good college QB, with a chance to make it in the NFL, don't you?
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Yes, in a pro style offense, that's exactly my point, and Worley would have been a much better qb in a pro style offense too.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
When your starter is throwing balls in the dirt and progressively got worse throughout the game when the game is still up in the air, you pull the guy. We had nothing to lose and everything to gain in the end of the 3rd quarter. Dormady couldn't have done any worse than the 2.5 quarters that Dobbs had played to that point.
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"We had nothing to lose" 😂😂😂😂😂
Too much stupid, not enough time to fix
 
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k-town_king said:
You don't pull an entrenched starter at qb for a bad game. That is stupid. All qbs have a bad game here and there. That doesn't mean you pull the guy who has been outperforming the other guy because of one bad day. Should the Patriots have pulled Brady against the Broncos this year?
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You need to tell Steve Spurrier that, believe he won a natty doing this such a thing. Also, tell Urban that as well, he benched the prior years conference player of the year (natty also).

Wanted to point out another fact, a 4* from Texas is generally better than a 4* from NJ. This may not be the case here, but, worth pointing out.
 
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Nasavol said:
You need to tell Steve Spurrier that, believe he won a natty doing this such a thing. Also, tell Urban that as well, he benched the prior years conference player of the year (natty also).

Wanted to point out another fact, a 4* from Texas is generally better than a 4* from NJ. This may not be the case here, but, worth pointing out.
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The #1 overall recruit was a defensive tackle who's HS was close to JG's. Gary was his last name. The area where JG was playing I think is/was much more competitive than you're giving it credit for. There was also a RB by the last name Walker, IIRC, who also played in the same district as the players I've mentioned and he was a 5 star also.

These prep schools don't take FB lightly, not even in NJ.
 
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Nasavol said:
You need to tell Steve Spurrier that, believe he won a natty doing this such a thing. Also, tell Urban that as well, he benched the prior years conference player of the year (natty also).

Wanted to point out another fact, a 4* from Texas is generally better than a 4* from NJ. This may not be the case here, but, worth pointing out.
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If we had a backup pushing the starter maybe you make a change. Dormady was no where near challenging though.


JG was a top 100 player and many said he was the best QB his year. This is while being hurt most of the year too.

QD was not then a top 250 player or top 15 QB. No comparison when it comes to rankings. If not for the injury JG could have been a top 20 player composite.
 
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So I've been on a self imposed exile since signing day and we've already had 1 no pad Spring practice, anyone know who's going to start at QB this year?
 
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gunner said:
No offense to Dormady but he's not impressed me either with his passing or running in his limited playing time. I don't understand how they recruited and signed a kid with limited running skills for this offense. He's Worley or Petterman 2.0. He can probably play at this level but he would be much better fit in a pro style passing offense.

JG can run and throw and that fits this offense much better. Additionally, I would like to see more of Jones he can run and throw too and as a DT QB, he can make this offense go.

I think Dormandy transfers if he doesn't win the starting job. Maybe, JG will win the starting job in this spring, and Dormady can spare us the QB controversy this fall as we all know that Butch has mismanaged this position in the past, I would like to avoid history repeating itself.

Either way UT needs a DT QB to make this offense go, and step up and replace Dobbs as a leader on this team, JG seems like the logic choice.
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You are making this all up based on no evidence.
 
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KBVol said:
Did his "daddy" also rate him a 4 star prospect and one of the top prostyle QBs in the country. Iirc, that was Jon Gruden at Tennessee's qb camp evaluating and "signing off" on Dormady to Jones which led to his offer and eventual signing, not "daddy".

Nobody was beating Dobbs out last year, not QD, not Sheriron Jones, not JG, not anybody.

Why the animus against a kid who's very talented and done nothing other than put his head down, work very hard and carry himself very well since coming to Knoxville? I don't get it Remy.
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You're reading in animus where there is none KB. I'm skeptical by nature of the golden boys whose fathers were their high school coach. Yes, you can go back decades and read of these guys and all pretty much get described as "cerebral" Gruden's overused term "gym rats" "grew up with a football" all that junk. These days a lot of this happens by buzz and politics as to who goes to what camp as far as ratings and stars, especially for the QB position. The bottom line is for every Hurts and QD there are a 100 Matty Mauks and a thousand guys you never heard of that couldn't play D1. I'm pulling for the kid, he has a leg up being #2 for a while, but he's probably really competing for the first time in his brief life as a QB. He'll do well or he won't I can live with it either way and support him if he takes every snap.
 
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YorkVol said:
You are making this all up based on no evidence.
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Ha ha. I'm not making anything up its my educated opinion based on what I have read about reports of them both in practice, and it's pretty obvious that Butch needs a running QB to make his offense go.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If Jarrett Guarantano doesn't start, Butch Jones deserves to be fired.
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D4H, I wouldn't be surprised for us to take things slowly with JG. He is a RS freshman & QD is a junior. I think CBJ is going to give the reigns over to QD at the start of the season & go from there. If QD doesn't play well after 2-3 games then he will switch to JG. Or, there is a possibility that CBJ plays both of them.

QD doesn't need to be groomed any. JG is still at the grooming process somewhat. Have you seen the arms on QD in any photos? They are huge & he has a cannon for an arm. The new weight program has paid off big time even for the QB's. JG has gotten bigger too in his whole body but man QD's arms are guns.

I would not be at all unhappy with CBJ making the decision to try the reigns with QD first. Then, if things fail or aren't where CBJ wants them then hand it over to JG. No doubt we have two very capable QB's with quite a few targets to throw the ball to as well. Thanks.
 
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tonybologna said:
D4H, I wouldn't be surprised for us to take things slowly with JG. He is a RS freshman & QD is a junior. I think CBJ is going to give the reigns over to QD at the start of the season & go from there. If QD doesn't play well after 2-3 games then he will switch to JG. Or, there is a possibility that CBJ plays both of them.

QD doesn't need to be groomed any. JG is still at the grooming process somewhat. Have you seen the arms on QD in any photos? They are huge & he has a cannon for an arm. The new weight program has paid off big time even for the QB's. JG has gotten bigger too in his whole body but man QD's arms are guns.

I would not be at all unhappy with CBJ making the decision to try the reigns with QD first. Then, if things fail or aren't where CBJ wants them then hand it over to JG. No doubt we have two very capable QB's with quite a few targets to throw the ball to as well. Thanks.
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This.
 
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#170
Year after year so called "generational talents" and superstars turn out to be, meh. Everytime theres no lesson learned and the entire fanbase gets behind the next program changer prior to them playing a single down.

Ill wait and see with JG. He sure looks the part and i hope with my orange soul he is just too good to keep off the field but QD is in the number 1 seat and will HAVE to be knocked off in order for anybody else to be the starter imo.

If JG is good enough to do that, so be it. I just hope one of the QB's are talented enough to win games.

What some folks ranked them in high school wont score TD's so none of that even matters
 
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#171
k-town_king said:
You don't pull an entrenched starter at qb for a bad game. That is stupid. All qbs have a bad game here and there. That doesn't mean you pull the guy who has been outperforming the other guy because of one bad day. Should the Patriots have pulled Brady against the Broncos this year?
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When it became apparently clear AFTER 2.5 quarters that the starter was not going to get the job done, we definitely should have pulled Dobbs. Hell at that point, we had the division locked in. The result would have not been worse because Dobbs and the offense were at the lowest possible point of performance at that point in the game. Butch is a headcase when it comes to QB's and that game was just another chapter in the long book of Butch's F-UPs.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If Jarrett Guarantano doesn't start, Butch Jones deserves to be fired.
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I live near Clemson. Same was said of Dabo re: Deshaun Watson. He didn't bow to fan pressure, worked him along until he was ready, and obviously it turned out to everyone's benefit. I've got minimal faith in Butch's in game coaching. That said, saying JG not starting from Day 1 is a coaching failure is absurd.
 
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Remy said:
You're reading in animus where there is none KB. I'm skeptical by nature of the golden boys whose fathers were their high school coach. Yes, you can go back decades and read of these guys and all pretty much get described as "cerebral" Gruden's overused term "gym rats" "grew up with a football" all that junk. These days a lot of this happens by buzz and politics as to who goes to what camp as far as ratings and stars, especially for the QB position. The bottom line is for every Hurts and QD there are a 100 Matty Mauks and a thousand guys you never heard of that couldn't play D1. I'm pulling for the kid, he has a leg up being #2 for a while, but he's probably really competing for the first time in his brief life as a QB. He'll do well or he won't I can live with it either way and support him if he takes every snap.
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You disparaged the kid the second you wrote "daddy" and implied he'd been given his qb job not because he was the best qb, but because of nepotism, that his father just handed it to him.

Could it be, maybe, since QD is clearly good enough to compete for a starting qb position as an SEC school, that everything was on the up and up? Maybe his father, like many who coach their sons, was actually more demanding of his son, and didn't give him anything but instead made him work even harder to win the job? Could it also be that 247 and Rivals and Scout were all actually impressed with QD's ability to throw the football, thought he was an impressive athlete and thought he really was one of the top QBs in the country? Hell, maybe even Gruden wasn't lying and gave his honest opinion of Quentin being able to play at Tennessee, despite his father's years of coddling.

Also Mauk could absolutely play at the D1 level, do you not recall all the games Missouri won with him as their qb? I remember him beating Tennessee twice.
 
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