Power teams only playing each other.

[volbound1700]

Which OOC schedule would be harder?

Boise State
Appalachian State
UNLV
Memphis

vs

Wake Forest
Northwestern
UCLA
Cal


Some Non-Power teams are tougher than Power Teams.

 

[VolJarhead]

The more we limit which schools are playing, the less interest that people long term are going to have for the game. All of the games at all levels being played are good for the sport. Kids in high school that get a scholarship to play sports at Northeast Pacific Gully University create excitement around the sport and the community. Take away all those and schools celebrate one kid every 4 or 5 years to a major school. It becomes a thing that is damaging not only to that schools athletic program, but the sport as a whole. I don't think you would see this immediately, but over time, look forward to soccer. People that support this are fans of a professional league. We have one of those called the NFL. Let's let all colleges enjoy their sports. My kid goes to Western Carolina University and she never enjoyed football until she attended college and started going to those games. To me, some of those games are like watching high school football, but she loves the environment.

 

[bigorangepoppa]

Easy for nick to roll out this idea now. Wonder how many times ole nick and Bama crushed Kent State during his tenure

Or UTC!

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Which OOC schedule would be harder?

Boise State
Appalachian State
UNLV
Memphis

vs

Wake Forest
Northwestern
UCLA
Cal


Some Non-Power teams are tougher than Power Teams.

3 of those teams are potential CFP teams and the bottom group is not .

Boise, UNLV and Memphis could have either won the ACC or gone to the title game last season IMO. The other 4 are not very good, Cal is decent .

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

In response to your second paragraph, it's not remotely the same thing. The history and geology department aren't providing full scholarships to every student choosing those majors.

I totally buy your idea of not wanting to play a FCS team. Some of the reasoning and analogies you're using are dumb AF

That's EXACTLY why everyone says college football is declining. It's all about what great facilities, training table, talented coaching and teammates UT offers...... and, oh yeah, there's a scholarship too.

You're making the "they're students first, then athletes" argument at a very laughable time. We just signed a "last minute" QB with a $1M+ NIL deal. Do you think he's coming to UT because of the scholarship?

The Athletic Dept business has become obtaining pro athletes, not getting students, so insisting it's NOT like the NFL and NBA is on very sketchy ground. We're a university...... an educational institution......paying a coach, not a professor, $9M to coach, not teach a subject, coach athletes.

Just get completely out of here with the connection of the school to the athletics. It's a business, a pro sports business, masquerading as a "student athlete" situation.

The analogy stands.

 

[volbound1700]

3 of those teams are potential CFP teams and the bottom group is not .

Boise, UNLV and Memphis could have either won the ACC or gone to the title game last season IMO. The other 4 are not very good, Cal is decent .

That is my point, you could make other combos but some "Power" teams would get flattened by Non-Power teams.

 

[volbound1700]

That's EXACTLY why everyone says college football is declining. It's all about what great facilities, training table, talented coaching and teammates UT offers...... and, oh yeah, there's a scholarship too.

You're making the "they're students first, then athletes" argument at a very laughable time. We just signed a "last minute" QB with a $1M+ NIL deal. Do you think he's coming to UT because of the scholarship?

The Athletic Dept business has become obtaining pro athletes, not getting students, so insisting it's NOT like the NFL and NBA is on very sketchy ground. We're a university...... an educational institution......paying a coach, not a professor, $9M to coach, not teach a subject, coach athletes.

Just get completely out of here with the connection of the school to the athletics. It's a business, a pro sports business, masquerading as a "student athlete" situation.

The analogy stands.

Let me tell you a dirty secret, you have to go back to before 1990 to see a time when the sport was even close to being the amateur sport you desire. The secret is TV. You want CFB to be pure again, take it off TV. I don't think you would want that because you couldn't watch the games anymore unless you are a season ticket holder.

 

[rikberry31]

Saban has called for the power 5 schools to only schedule each other. I don't know, the FCS schools depend on us for pretty much their ENTIRE athletic budget, and a tune up game is good for the fanbase and the team.. Maybe it could go something like this; one FCS opponent to start the season, then three straight conference opponents, then another FCS game for Homecoming, then the rest of the season. Everyone gets a warmup and there's always a chance for an upset. What say ye?

Make all spring and fall scrimmages FCS scrimmage games instead if intra-squad.

 

[ArmchairQB]

Have your cake and eat it too solution, for Saint Nick: eight team, three game out of conference in-season tournament sort of thing. Like basketball in the Bahamas, only spread out through the season for obvious reasons. Play a round in August as pretty much a preseason, warmup game against a keep the money in-state opponent. Then another in September/October, then the final round in November, both of those (almost certainly) against power conference opponents. And oh, the stories if there's a round one upset.

Round 1
Tennessee (SEC) - MTSU (CUSA)
West Virginia (B12) - Marshall (Sunbelt)
NC State (ACC) - Charlotte (AAC)
Indiana (B1G) - Ball State (MAC)

Round 2
Tennessee - West Virginia (round one winners)
MTSU - Marshall (round one losers)
NC State - Indiana (round one winners)
Charlotte - Ball State (round one losers)

Round 3
Tennessee - Indiana (round two winners)
West Virginia - NC State (round two losers)
Marshall - Charlotte (round two winners from round one losers)
MTSU - Ball State (round two losers from round one losers)

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Let me tell you a dirty secret, you have to go back to before 1990 to see a time when the sport was even close to being the amateur sport you desire. The secret is TV. You want CFB to be pure again, take it off TV. I don't think you would want that because you couldn't watch the games anymore unless you are a season ticket holder.

I've said that all along. It's a pro business and has been for decades. I've said repeatedly that Oklahoma and GA suing for the right to make TV deals turned college athletics into pro athletics.

Stop trying to have it both ways. Enough with the "all college teams are somewhat alike so they can play each other." The major revenue schools are in the pro sports business and have zero reason to keep playing actual college first, then sports teams.

Put a high quality pro sports product on the field every week because there's a lot of money in it for the UT franchise in the long run. If the betting line is 42pts for UT vs ETSU (or whatever it is like that,) who wants to see that kind of mismatch? It's not good TV and THAT is what pays the bills for everyone.

More competitive games = more eyeballs = even bigger media deals = even better teams.

The NFL viewers dwarf the college viewers because of competitive games. Everyone knows college loyalty is dying because the players are here today, there tomorrow. The way of the future is in marketing not the "Rah Rah for old state U" but the competitive, talented teams playing.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

That's EXACTLY why everyone says college football is declining. It's all about what great facilities, training table, talented coaching and teammates UT offers...... and, oh yeah, there's a scholarship too.

You're making the "they're students first, then athletes" argument at a very laughable time. We just signed a "last minute" QB with a $1M+ NIL deal. Do you think he's coming to UT because of the scholarship?

The Athletic Dept business has become obtaining pro athletes, not getting students, so insisting it's NOT like the NFL and NBA is on very sketchy ground. We're a university...... an educational institution......paying a coach, not a professor, $9M to coach, not teach a subject, coach athletes.

Just get completely out of here with the connection of the school to the athletics. It's a business, a pro sports business, masquerading as a "student athlete" situation.

The analogy stands.

Your issue sounds like a much larger philosophical change. Most of the football players aren't going to play at the next level and that's just a fact. There's nothing that can be changed to mitigate it either.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Your issue sounds like a much larger philosophical change. Most of the football players aren't going to play at the next level and that's just a fact. There's nothing that can be changed to mitigate it either.

That's why players are maximizing their pro earnings at the "college" level. That's why it's an opportunity for some schools to separate from the traditional college game and maximize the new, pro model opportunity.

That pro style money can only be increased for the school (franchise owner) and students (pro athletes) by putting out a consistent, competitive product.

Playing "cupcake" schools who aren't pouring millions into salaries for their teams doesn't make sense in the long run. Those are uninteresting matchups that don't attract and keep eyeballs on the TV which is what makes everyone money.

Especially as media carriage costs increase meaning I pay more for my ESPN, etc, I want to get decent sports entertainment every week and not some 50 burger bloodbath 2 or 3 times a season. I don't know about you but it's annoying to pay $90/month to get sports then see UT is playing the 3rd string half the game.

The reason SEC football is successful is the competition. We're at the dance, dance with who brought you there.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

That's why players are maximizing their pro earnings at the "college" level. That's why it's an opportunity for some schools to separate from the traditional college game and maximize the new, pro model opportunity.

That pro style money can only be increased for the school (franchise owner) and students (pro athletes) by putting out a consistent, competitive product.

Playing "cupcake" schools who aren't pouring millions into salaries for their teams doesn't make sense in the long run. Those are uninteresting matchups that don't attract and keep eyeballs on the TV which is what makes everyone money.

Especially as media carriage costs increase meaning I pay more for my ESPN, etc, I want to get decent sports entertainment every week and not some 50 burger bloodbath 2 or 3 times a season. I don't know about you but it's annoying to pay $90/month to get sports then see UT is playing the 3rd string half the game.

The reason SEC football is successful is the competition. We're at the dance, dance with who brought you there.

I don't disagree with your premise, but it's a complicated fix

 

[RDU VOL#14]

That is my point, you could make other combos but some "Power" teams would get flattened by Non-Power teams.

I agree, but you picked 3 of the best non P4 teams and 3 or 4 of the worst P4 squads. Theres a very small group that can compete with big time P4 schools.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I don't disagree with your premise, but it's a complicated fix

I think it is difficult to break away but the courts are going to force the issue and call the players school employees. C'mon, you can't "revenue share" the money you make from someone's athletic talent after recruiting them for that talent and say with a straight face "they're amateur student athletes."

The sooner the successful schools branch off into a pro league, the better for those athletes who value the scholarship, the education, the college experience more than the athletics and playing sports is a great opportunity to get an education.

There's room for a league of younger people who want to play pro ball, make some money, dream of the playing in the league without the ruse of college. Think of it as following the dream like lots of minor league baseball players used to do........ play a few years, hone your skill as much as possible, enjoy your youth, then realize it's time to put it down and get serious about the next chapter, get a real job, etc.

I just don't want to watch the guys who are treating sports like a pro job beat the living crap out of guys who are in it for the education primarily. It's not good sports.

 

[livefaith]

Disgusting. How do you people think Vandy will fund their athletic department?

 

[NEO]

You create a pre season kick off and every team plays some FCS team. Then every team only plays power 5.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

It's probably going to happen. But Saban is an idiot for saying that. That will give more money to give to these 20 year olds. Not only are they making more money than most working families in the United States, they get free room and board, free education. We could at least make them pay for tuition. The Power 4 Conf are going to be a mini NFL. Which stands for National Felon League. Billionaires will own the teams, 3rd string QB's want be able to play. Money destroys everything. 1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

I call B.S.

You are conflating NIL with how many games a team that doesn't find NIL plays. They have nothing to do with each other.

You don't get to decide how much anyone that doesn't work for you makes, regardless of age.

Your rant is silly and out of touch.

Triggered reply to come?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I think College Football should consider a preseason game against FCS schools. College football is the only sport, only sport, at any competitive level , that doesn’t have any sort of exhibition or preseason game. It’s kind crazy to think that week 1 your season has the potential to be close to ruined w/o have any sort of tune up. I think this would serve several purposes, including to help keep these small schools athletic departments afloat.

Lots of people connected to CFB are calling for one less game die to the season being too long now. They are going to support a meaningless exhibition preseason game where their stars can get hurt.

 

[TNnative]

Disgusting. How do you people think Vandy will fund their athletic department?

Why do you think Vandy is of any concern?

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Lots of people connected to CFB are calling for one less game die to the season being too long now. They are going to support a meaningless exhibition preseason game where their stars can get hurt.

I get it, doesn’t make me wrong though. I doubt those people connected to college football work for Fox and Disney. Id say the season is only potentially too long for about 6-8 teams.

 

[BearBryant]

I call B.S.

You are conflating NIL with how many games a team that doesn't find NIL plays. They have nothing to do with each other.

You don't get to decide how much anyone that doesn't work for you makes, regardless of age.

Your rant is silly and out of touch.

Triggered reply to come?

It will give more money for NIL because if you don't play FCS schools, you don't have to pay them to come play. The destruction of College Sports is a snowball rolling down hill.

 

[woodpusher]

So, you are saying do away with about 1/4 or more of FCS teams then? Face it-that $1.5 million they get for taking a sanctioned beating basically pays the lions share for their entire athletic department.

Some have decent fan support in the community, but for many there's not much revenue involved when they play other FCS teams. Last time I went to an FCS vs FCS game the ticket was $5 and there were maybe 1000 people there. I would wager many of the tickets were freebies including the students. Throw in a couple bucks for a dog and a drink. Maybe a program to see the players names. Parking was free. Walked out spending under $20 for 3 hours of live entertainment.

Many G5 school wouldn't make it either honestly. The two or so 5 games they get a year go a long ways towards paying the bills.

I'm not saying the way things are set up is perfect. Far from it. Start wiping out teams en masse though and the game in general is gonna suffer in the long run. Less kids playing football and maybe not having even a local school to root for and go see a game occasionally is not the way to grow the game.

I've not known them to be that cheap nor that sparsely attended....you must have attended a Division III game.
Coach Prime had 42k per game at Jackson State. Schools in the upper Great Plains get 20k-30k,

No P5 school is going to be happy with just 6 home games per year.

 

[stolitonic]

I've not known them to be that cheap nor that sparsely attended....you must have attended a Division III game.
Coach Prime had 42k per game at Jackson State. Schools in the upper Great Plains get 20k-30k,

No P5 school is going to be happy with just 6 home games per year.

Jackson St got 42 K because of Deion and crew. Not because of anything the school was really doing. How's their attendance since he left?

Sure NDSU and SDSU draw big crowds. Ever been up there? Nothing to do 90% of the time in the late fall/winter once the weather has turned. When I was up there for work,, I would have paid the GDP of a small country for something to do except lay around the hotel or go to the movies or a bar

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Jackson St got 42 K because of Deion and crew. Not because of anything the school was really doing. How's their attendance since he left?

Sure NDSU and SDSU draw big crowds. Ever been up there? Nothing to do 90% of the time in the late fall/winter once the weather has turned. When I was up there for work,, I would have paid the GDP of a small country for something to do except lay around the hotel or go to the movies or a bar

The Northern Plains states, plus Montana and Idaho love their football teams and they are all either lower division or G5. It's not all there is to do up there either. Yes, I've been up there and know a few people who live in that part of the country