Portland Attack

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#76
n_huffhines said:
His Christianity/atheism has no bearing on whether or not he is a terrorist.
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I didn't mention the word terrorist. I wasn't responding to any of your posts about it you which is why none of your posts were quoted.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. If we're going to make a determination that this was home grown terrorism don't you think we examine the motive? Since the definition of terrorism includes some sort of political component shouldn't we try and determine what political gain he was trying to obtain? Or should we just go ahead and slap the terrorism label on it regardless of whether it fits the definition?
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I'd guess that a known white supremacist confronting two teenage girls, because one of them was Muslim, to such a degree that at least three people stepped in to try and get him to stop, is it a stretch to say his motive is a white(r) America?
 
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n_huffhines said:
How do you know enough to conclude that?
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Okay, still want to go down this road?

What group was he working for? And what manifesto do they bring to the table? Or was he a pure lone wolf acting on his own?

And has said group claimed credit for the attack? Was the attack premeditated for that matter? Any planning involved? Surveilling the targets he was willing to strike? What social/political changes was he attempting to make via force and violence?

Was he on any kind of terrorist watch list? That right there would have been one of the first things put out in the news if they knew it.

No, sorry Huff, not terrorism.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, still want to go down this road?

What group was he working for? And what manifesto do they bring to the table? Or was he a pure lone wolf acting on his own?

And has said group claimed credit for the attack? Was the attack premeditated for that matter? Any planning involved? Surveilling the targets he was willing to strike? What social/political changes was he attempting to make via force and violence?

Was he on any kind of terrorist watch list? That right there would have been one of the first things put out in the news if they knew it.

No, sorry Huff, not terrorism.
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There is only one relevant sentence to the question of terrorism in this entire post...i've already explained what his potential motive could be. You suck at this.
 
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n_huffhines said:
There is only one relevant sentence to the question of terrorism in this entire post...i've already explained what his potential motive could be. You suck at this.
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Still not getting it are you?

This...was...not...terrorism...

Much as your warped social justice mind wants it to be, it...is...not...terrorism...

He was yelling and screaming at other bus passengers from what the story says. Others stepped in to stop him. Things got out of control and he stabbed them.

Not...terrorism...

Now, run along.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Still not getting it are you?

This...was...not...terrorism...

Much as your warped social justice mind wants it to be, it...is...not...terrorism...

He was yelling and screaming at other bus passengers from what the story says. Others stepped in to stop him. Things got out of control and he stabbed them.

Not...terrorism...

Now, run along.
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That they are investigating this as a hate crime is even more idiotic.
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
I'd guess that a known white supremacist confronting two teenage girls, because one of them was Muslim, to such a degree that at least three people stepped in to try and get him to stop, is it a stretch to say his motive is a white(r) America?
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So it was race motivated. Plus we don't know if his intentions were to physically harm the kids or just harass them. It didn't turn violent until the guy went to the girls defense.

I'm not defending the guy. He's a piece of excrement that should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I wish the good guy had gotten the upper hand and beat the dog shat out if him. I just think it diminishes the definition of terrorism by calling it that. It waters it down. I don't think his motivation was some well thought out attack meant to invoke terror for political gain.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
That they are investigating this as a hate crime is even more idiotic.
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While I tend to think the "hate crime" term gets used far more than it should, this is a textbook example that would fit the criteria.

To me, crime is crime. Hate has no bearing and shouldn't be a factor in sentencing or differentiating it from "normal" crime.
 
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#87
It obviously WAS a hate crime commited by a racist, white supremist wacko POS.

I disagree it was "domestic terrorism".
The very root of "terrorism" is that it is a premeditated attack on behalf of a radical group that is intended to strike terror in many people.

No one has claimed he was a "lone wolf" acting on behalf of any particular ideological group. A deranged ideology, yes. But the POS didn't attack the muslim girls. In his unfounded rage, he attacked and killed those defending their right to be muslim. He did it with a knife he pulled. We don't do not know whether or not he would have attacked the girls.

This tragedy is much, much more at the hate crime of religious harsssment turned fury at those who disagreed with his craziness. It was those who disagreed with him he turned his rage on, and that became deadly in a flash because he carried a knife on him. It wasn't reported as planned at all. Simply the tragic end of a situation of opportunity for a deranged hate filled mind.

A hate crime.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
It obviously WAS a hate crime commited by a racist, white supremist wacko POS.

I disagree it was "domestic terrorism".
The very root of "terrorism" is that it is a premeditated attack on behalf of a radical group that is intended to strike terror in many people.

No one has claimed he was a "lone wolf" acting on behalf of any particular ideological group. A deranged ideology, yes. But the POS didn't attack the muslim girls. In his unfounded rage, he attacked and killed those defending their right to be muslim. He did it with a knife he pulled. We don't do not know whether or not he would have attacked the girls.

This tragedy is much, much more at the hate crime of religious harsssment turned fury at those who disagreed with his craziness. It was those who disagreed with him he turned his rage on, and that became deadly in a flash because he carried a knife on him. It wasn't reported as planned at all. Simply the tragic end of a situation of opportunity for a deranged hate filled mind.

A hate crime.
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Agree
 
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Grand Vol said:
While I tend to think the "hate crime" term gets used far more than it should, this is a textbook example that would fit the criteria.

To me, crime is crime. Hate has no bearing and shouldn't be a factor in sentencing or differentiating it from "normal" crime.
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Hate crime was invented to make someone shot and killed somehow more dead than other victims
 
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Biopsyman said:
Hate crime was invented to make someone shot and killed somehow more dead than other victims
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Not only more dead, but we should be more upset that someone's life was cut short by someone else.

I never got that side of it. As bad as killing because of who a person is, why is that any worse than killing during the commission of a robbery?
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Not only more dead, but we should be more upset that someone's life was cut short by someone else.

I never got that side of it. As bad as killing because of who a person is, why is that any worse than killing during the commission of a robbery?
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Yeah, the label "hate crime" or "terrorism" shouldn't matter to the punishment. Stabbing 3 people and killing 2 is what it is, regardless of motive.
 
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Christian recently gained local notoriety at a “Free Speech” march in Portland in April. He was draped with the American flag and reportedly chanting the N-word throughout the march.


Conservatives, liberals and anarchists rejected Christian at the march.


On his Facebook page, Christian shared a post with a video and photo of him performing a Nazi salute during the march. In a comment on his page Christian proclaimed, “I am White and a Nationalist for Vinland.”


His Facebook page is full of disturbing posts supporting white supremacy, attacking women, mocking transgender people. It shows a man obsessed with fascism.


In a post three days after the inauguration of Donald Trump, Christian posted, "If Donald Trump is the Next Hitler then I am joining his SS to put an end to Monotheist Question."


On that same day Christian, who shows support for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders on his Facebook page, posted a death threat about Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.


He also called Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber a true patriot.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/05/30/portland-train-stabbing-suspect/353963001/
 
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Wants to be in the Trump SS, but supports Bernie and hates Hillary?

From his Facebook:

All Zionist Jews, All Christians who do not follow Christ's teaching of Love, Charity, and Forgiveness And All Jihadi Muslims are going to Madagascar or the Ovens/FEMA Camps!!!
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So, sending folks that don't agree with him straight to Madagascar or the FEMA Camp ovens... kind of extremes there.

Still think he's a terrorist, Huff? Or just a straight loon?
 
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#100
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Grand Vol said:
Wants to be in the Trump SS, but supports Bernie and hates Hillary?

From his Facebook:



So, sending folks that don't agree with him straight to Madagascar or the FEMA Camp ovens... kind of extremes there.

Still think he's a terrorist, Huff? Or just a straight loon?
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He's a loon, but he's comparable to the lone wolf type, and is and was clearly reacting to what he perceived as threats to the white American man's way of life, posed by other cultures and religions.

He is by no means emblematic of all Trump supporters, but he's what you get when you take his politics to the illogical extreme.
 
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