Portland Attack

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n_huffhines said:
I already commented on this.
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Help me out here, I'm slow.

Edit: I found it. It was just such a reach I didn't realize that was your sole argument. As to your point about Christians, if a Muslim stabbed a couple of Christians while yelling Allahu akbar, yes I would consider that terrorism given the current state of world affairs.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Help me out here, I'm slow.

Edit: I found it. It was just such a reach I didn't realize that was your sole argument. As to your point about Christians, if a Muslim stabbed a couple of Christians while yelling Allahu akbar, yes I would consider that terrorism given the current state of world affairs.
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What if he didn't say allahu akbar? I'm sure you would be saying it's a "reach" to label it terrorism.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Well the victims weren't Muslims.

Good reason to leave crazy alone. Most likely the guy wouldn't have done anything if they hadn't made it physical. Weirdos like this are itching to try out whatever tactics they've learned if provoked.
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Good God....

First of all you have no damn clue if he would have done anything or not so your conjecture is bogus. You weren't there, you don't know how he was acting towards them, so to assume he "wouldn't have done anything" is silly.

Secondly, if no one had defended the two women and something did happen, people would be pissing and moaning about how today's man is so limp wristed that not one stood up to defend them.

Smfh....
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Good God....

First of all you have no damn clue if he would have done anything or not so your conjecture is bogus. You weren't there, you don't know how he was acting towards them, so to assume he "wouldn't have done anything" is silly.

Secondly, if no one had defended the two women and something did happen, people would be pissing and moaning about how today's man is so limp wristed that not one stood up to defend them.

Smfh....
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At this point I've seen nothing to indicate he was physically threatening the women. He was certainly being an ******* but that's not a reason to get physical. I think it's telling he was harassing women, he most likely wanted a target he thought wouldn't try to kick his ass and he could berate with impunity. Even after he stabbed those men he did not attack the women, he ran away. So I fail to see how this is an act of terror or a hate crime, which is apparently being investigated. If this is a hate crime or terrorism , then the black guy who shot the white cop simply for being in the wrong place is the same thing.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
At this point I've seen nothing to indicate he was physically threatening the women. He was certainly being an ******* but that's not a reason to get physical. I think it's telling he was harassing women, he most likely wanted a target he thought wouldn't try to kick his ass and he could berate with impunity. Even after he stabbed those men he did not attack the women, he ran away. So I fail to see how this is an act of terror or a hate crime, which is apparently being investigated. If this is a hate crime or terrorism , then the black guy who shot the white cop simply for being in the wrong place is the same thing.
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Whether it was an act of terror is irrelevant as to whether the 3 men should have intervened, which you are saying they should have ignored him.

I've seen nothing to indicate the 3 men "got physical" with him either. It specifically says they tried to calm him down. There's no indication they attacked him in any way.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
At this point I've seen nothing to indicate he was physically threatening the women. He was certainly being an ******* but that's not a reason to get physical. I think it's telling he was harassing women, he most likely wanted a target he thought wouldn't try to kick his ass and he could berate with impunity. Even after he stabbed those men he did not attack the women, he ran away. So I fail to see how this is an act of terror or a hate crime, which is apparently being investigated. If this is a hate crime or terrorism, then the black guy who shot the white cop simply for being in the wrong place is the same thing.
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Isn't it a hate crime/terrorism, though? Who is saying it isn't?
 
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n_huffhines said:
What if he didn't say allahu akbar? I'm sure you would be saying it's a "reach" to label it terrorism.
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Given the circumstances with what's going on with the radical side of Islam, yes I would lean towards it being terrorism. Since Christians going off killing in the name if Jesus Christ is such a rarity I lean towards this being one crazy dude hating on some people for no good reason.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Given the circumstances with what's going on with the radical side of Islam, yes I would lean towards it being terrorism. Since Christians going off killing in the name if Jesus Christ is such a rarity I lean towards this being one crazy dude hating on some people for no good reason.
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My guess is he is as an atheist. In the video I saw, he ranted about Muslims and Christians.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Given the circumstances with what's going on with the radical side of Islam, yes I would lean towards it being terrorism. Since Christians going off killing in the name if Jesus Christ is such a rarity I lean towards this being one crazy dude hating on some people for no good reason.
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Why on earth are you talking about Jesus Christ? Why aren't you judging the (hypothetical) incident on its own merit?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why on earth are you talking about Jesus Christ? Why aren't you judging the (hypothetical) incident on its own merit?
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Because the greatest form of terrorism today is religiously​ motivated?

Also, given the fact that the two victims that were the focus of this nutjob were muslim, I find it hard to separate that from equation.
 
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n_huffhines said:
His Christianity/atheism has no bearing on whether or not he is a terrorist.
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I agree completely, but go look at news sites on social media, he's already labeled "white Christian terrorist" by certain people.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Because the greatest form of terrorism today is religiously​ motivated?

Also, given the fact that the two victims that were the focus of this nutjob were muslim, I find it hard to separate that from equation.
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Well, there it is...you are willing to prematurely jump to a conclusion based on your perception of the world. You are willing to call my suspicion that this incident is terrorism a "reach" not because it's actually a reach but because you see non-Muslim terrorism as an unlikely event. That's exactly my point. You have to judge the case on its own merit. He called Timothy McVeigh a true American patriot, for ****'s sake. How am I reaching?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well, there it is...you are willing to prematurely jump to a conclusion based on your perception of the world. You are willing to call my suspicion that this incident is terrorism a "reach" not because it's actually a reach but because you see non-Muslim terrorism as an unlikely event. That's exactly my point. You have to judge the case on its own merit. He called Timothy McVeigh a true American patriot, for ****'s sake. How am I reaching?
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Lol. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. If we're going to make a determination that this was home grown terrorism don't you think we examine the motive? Since the definition of terrorism includes some sort of political component shouldn't we try and determine what political gain he was trying to obtain? Or should we just go ahead and slap the terrorism label on it regardless of whether it fits the definition?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. If we're going to make a determination that this was home grown terrorism don't you think we examine the motive? Since the definition of terrorism includes some sort of political component shouldn't we try and determine what political gain he was trying to obtain? Or should we just go ahead and slap the terrorism label on it regardless of whether it fits the definition?
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Wasn't the guy quoted as saying "if Trump is Hitler then consider me part of his SS"?
 
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