Poker hands

#26
#26
OWB said:
Did someone say poker?

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sweet:)
 
#27
#27
SWIL said:
Because Fine made a healthy opening bet- and villain(being a wild man) might think he will call it down no matter what due to his short stack.
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That's my criticism of Fine to begin with. Raising it to six times the BB, when he's only got around 4000 to start with, and then betting out another 1200 at it right after the flop, puts himself in a bind.

He'd have been much better of limping in or making a small raise and not forcing himself to test the waters with 25 percent of his stack after the flop. Had the flop included any ace or king, he's between a rock and a hard place.

I hate middling pocket pairs. I throw away 7s and 8s after a raise and a couple of callers all the time.
 
#28
#28
lawgator1 said:
That's my criticism of Fine to begin with. Raising it to six times the BB, when he's only got around 4000 to start with, and then betting out another 1200 at it right after the flop, puts himself in a bind.

He'd have been much better of limping in or making a small raise and not forcing himself to test the waters with 25 percent of his stack after the flop. Had the flop included any ace or king, he's between a rock and a hard place.

I hate middling pocket pairs. I throw away 7s and 8s after a raise and a couple of callers all the time.
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Pocket 9-J are hard to play pre flop I find.
 
#29
#29
lawgator1 said:
That's my criticism of Fine to begin with. Raising it to six times the BB, when he's only got around 4000 to start with, and then betting out another 1200 at it right after the flop, puts himself in a bind.

He'd have been much better of limping in or making a small raise and not forcing himself to test the waters with 25 percent of his stack after the flop. Had the flop included any ace or king, he's between a rock and a hard place.

I hate middling pocket pairs. I throw away 7s and 8s after a raise and a couple of callers all the time.
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Can't argue with that. Mid pocket pairs are very tricky hands. Lower pocket pairs should be tossed unless you feel you can get in cheap or there is only 2-3 players left.
 
#30
#30
lawgator1 said:
Fine, if I may be allowed to criticize (and you know I will).

I don't like the preflop bet of six times the big blind by you. Reason being that if you get called and any jack, queen, king or ace comes, then you have to be worried that you are playing from behind the whole way. If some is going to call you after you raise under the gun for 600 because they have a weak ace, then why not just raise it to 300? That way, you can get away form the hand a lot easier if the flop comes out with a lot of paint.

In fact, in your position, my play would be simply to have called the BB and hope for three undercards or to spike the third ten. No one would put you on a set in that spot.
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I agree 100%
 
#32
#32
Someone else post a hand they had but dont post the end results until everyone talks about the hand.
 
#33
#33
Fine Vol said:
Someone else post a hand they had but dont post the end results until everyone talks about the hand.
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I'll tell you about two two-outers.


STORY I

A month ago I played a multitable with 190 players. Buy-in $100. About an hour and a half into it, I'm doing fine with a slightly above average chip stack. I am in the BB. Blinds are 100-200.

Two players call, one of them being the button. I look down and see Q-Q and decide to slow play it.

Flop is AA5. I check. Player to my left checks. Button bets 400.

I go over the top for eight hundred and player to my left folds. The button mulls it over and raises me to 1600 and at that point its move all in or fold.

"You can't have an ace, or you'd never have bet an unopened flop," I tell her. So I move all in.

She insta-calls with A-J. I'm shaking my head at why on Earth she would have bet the set of aces when everyone had checked the flop.

The river was a queen and I made the boat, crushing her in the process. I went on to make a ten way chop and a little over $1400.


STORY II

Two weeks later, I'm in the same tournament and even at the same table. I'm getting slowly blinded to death as I can't seem to pick up a hand. Blinds are 300-600 and I'm the BB. I've got about 2200 left.

One guy out of position calls the BB, the small blind calls me. I look down and have A-J and go all in. The out of position guy folds.

The small blind thinks it over and calls me, turning over A8.

The flop: AJ8.

So we both make two pair, mine being better. He's got just two outs and needs one of the other 8s. He gets it and I'm out.


When you hit a two outer its a great feeling. When you lose to one, you want to kill someone.
 
#34
#34
Yea true, tonight there are some talented players but one kid is real good and real aggresive. I plan on knocking him out tonight. I like the over aggresive types. I want a cert. I have 6 already since the last big tourney.
 
#35
#35
Such is the nature of the beast. :dunno:
 
#36
#36
lawgator1 said:
When you hit a two outer its a great feeling. When you lose to one, you want to kill someone.
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Last time I played, I took TWO of those beats in one night. It was a long drive home (but an early one).
 
#38
#38
SWIL said:
Such is the nature of the beast. :dunno:
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kiddiedoc said:
Last time I played, I took TWO of those beats in one night. It was a long drive home (but an early one).
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Ergo why the pros say avoid getting your chips in before the flop. Make sure you are strong.

Truthfully, I still don't get that lady's play against me. Sure, she had a monster with a set of aces, but why bet it there? Actually, had I raised with pocket Qs and she having A-J, she'd probably have called pre-flop, so no difference in the outcome, I suppose.

That's thie thing about this game. There are many times that the die is cast before the flop. Believe it or not, some of my proudest moments in the game are laying down a full house when I'm sure there is a better one out there.
 
#42
#42
lawgator1 said:
Ergo why the pros say avoid getting your chips in before the flop. Make sure you are strong.

Truthfully, I still don't get that lady's play against me. Sure, she had a monster with a set of aces, but why bet it there? Actually, had I raised with pocket Qs and she having A-J, she'd probably have called pre-flop, so no difference in the outcome, I suppose.

That's thie thing about this game. There are many times that the die is cast before the flop. Believe it or not, some of my proudest moments in the game are laying down a full house when I'm sure there is a better one out there.
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Ditto- the power to be able to lay down powerful hands when you are beat is what separates good players from great players.

Anyone can win a hand- not everyone can lay down an ace high flush, and be correct about it.

Poker isn't about winning hands. It's about making correct decisions. :thumbsup:

New players and (some) women are my least favorite opponents because they are so freakin unpredictable. How can one attempt to read someone who has no clue what they are doing??!:blink:
 
#43
#43
SWIL said:
Ditto- the power to be able to lay down powerful hands when you are beat is what separates good players from great players.

Anyone can win a hand- not everyone can lay down an ace high flush, and be correct about it.

Poker isn't about winning hands. It's about making correct decisions. :thumbsup:

New players and (some) women are my least favorite opponents because they are so freakin unpredictable. How can one attempt to read someone who has no clue what they are doing??!:blink:
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It can be stressing
 
#44
#44
Hey, learned a quick way to calculate the percentage odds after a flop, called the Rule of 4.

After the flop, put your opponent on a hand and then, even if you think you are behind, calculate how many outs you have. After the flop, multiply by four and that is your percentage chance of winning. After the turn, multiply by two.

Example: After the flop the guy ahead of you goes all in and you are four flushed, but figure you are behind with no overs. You figure you have nine outs (the other nine of the suit). Multiply by four and that means you have roughly a 36% chance of winning the hand.

If the pot gives you better than 2 to 1 odds for calling, you should. If not, lay it down.

Your chances on the river if you did not hit are about 18%. And if that is the spot where you have to make a choice, do the math again.

Its not always right, but its usually within a few percentage points.
 
#45
#45
Do you consider yourself. I am TA
Tight aggresive
tight passive
loose aggresive
loose oassive
 
#46
#46
Fine Vol said:
Do you consider yourself. I am TA
Tight aggresive
tight passive
loose aggresive
loose oassive
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I mix it up. I figure to play on five main things:

1. What I have.
2. What I think you have.
3. Position as it relates to the button.
4. Relative strength of chip stack (mine first, yours second, and that of the other players third).
5. What I think you are capable of doing in terms of taking a chance (i.e. if I put you on a flush draw, are you such a donkey that you are going to call me no matter what I put out there?).

In other words, I may be tight in one hand depending on those five things (position, in particular) whereas three hands later and in the cut-off I'm liable to push just because I think everyone else is likely to be weak.
 
#47
#47
Fine, as well, you have to remember that these people playing at the Final Table deal-i-os are playing for free. They chase everything because, why not?

Go play a $250 buy-in at Hard Rock in Tampa. No one calls down crap just on a lark.
 
#48
#48
lawgator1 said:
I mix it up. I figure to play on five main things:

1. What I have.
2. What I think you have.
3. Position as it relates to the button.
4. Relative strength of chip stack (mine first, yours second, and that of the other players third).
5. What I think you are capable of doing in terms of taking a chance (i.e. if I put you on a flush draw, are you such a donkey that you are going to call me no matter what I put out there?).

In other words, I may be tight in one hand depending on those five things (position, in particular) whereas three hands later and in the cut-off I'm liable to push just because I think everyone else is likely to be weak.
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Most people dont think like this so you have to figure out who does.
 
#49
#49
lawgator1 said:
Fine, as well, you have to remember that these people playing at the Final Table deal-i-os are playing for free. They chase everything because, why not?

Go play a $250 buy-in at Hard Rock in Tampa. No one calls down crap just on a lark.
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That is true.
 
#50
#50
lawgator1 said:
I mix it up. I figure to play on five main things:

1. What I have.
2. What I think you have.
3. Position as it relates to the button.
4. Relative strength of chip stack (mine first, yours second, and that of the other players third).
5. What I think you are capable of doing in terms of taking a chance (i.e. if I put you on a flush draw, are you such a donkey that you are going to call me no matter what I put out there?).

In other words, I may be tight in one hand depending on those five things (position, in particular) whereas three hands later and in the cut-off I'm liable to push just because I think everyone else is likely to be weak.
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That's a good routine right there. :eek:k:

I specialize in tells- as psychology is a fascinating subject to me. Mike Caro's Book of Tells is dated, but an outstanding way to gain the edge against your enemies. Not a lot of players give much weight to spotting physical tells and most are unaware of their mannerisms at the table. They'd rather focus on their hand and playing solid poker. This can be exploited it you know what to look for.

For example: I never look at my hole cards as soon as they're dealt. I'm looking at everyone else's reaction to their hole cards. Often times, at soft tables especially, I know what half the table will probably do before action has started :)
 
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