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#51
#51
lawgator1 said:
That's my criticism of Fine to begin with. Raising it to six times the BB, when he's only got around 4000 to start with...
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I agree that 6BB is fishy. I think we have a different read from that point, but I'm still laying it down. I play a lot of limit and pot limit holdem, but not that much NL and very rarely a NL tourney, so that pot sized flop bet looks exactly right to me, but may in fact be wrong.

Speaking of bet sizes, here's my stab at posting a hand where I was uncomfortable sizing my bets. 2-5 NL cash game on the boat in Metropolis. Table is fairly loose-passive, and SB is a supercool guy (think Calipari wanna be) who I've seen make a move on the blinds almost every time it is folded to him in mid or late position. I have a $192 stack, he has about twice that.

Cotton looks down at: Qd Qc, raises to $20
SB calls, BB folds (pot $45)

Flop is: Qs 7d 2s
Cotton bets $40, SB calls (pot $125)

Turn is 9h
Cotton bets $120. SB stares me down and asks if I am bluffing. I told him I forgot. SB goes all in. I push in my remaining $32 and call.

River is Ks
 
#52
#52
cotton said:
I agree that 6BB is fishy. I think we have a different read from that point, but I'm still laying it down. I play a lot of limit and pot limit holdem, but not that much NL and very rarely a NL tourney, so that pot sized flop bet looks exactly right to me, but may in fact be wrong.

Speaking of bet sizes, here's my stab at posting a hand where I was uncomfortable sizing my bets. 2-5 NL cash game on the boat in Metropolis. Table is fairly loose-passive, and SB is a supercool guy (think Calipari wanna be) who I've seen make a move on the blinds almost every time it is folded to him in mid or late position. I have a $192 stack, he has about twice that.

Cotton looks down at: Qd Qc, raises to $20
SB calls, BB folds (pot $45)

Flop is: Qs 7d 2s
Cotton bets $40, SB calls (pot $125)

Turn is 9h
Cotton bets $120. SB stares me down and asks if I am bluffing. I told him I forgot. SB goes all in. I push in my remaining $32 and call.

River is Ks
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I am assuming he hit the spade flush.
 
#53
#53
vader said:
I am assuming he hit the spade flush.
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I'll post the result after I get some input, specifically on my bet sizing. I know it is kind of strange to have $32 left from a $200 stack for a turn reraise.
 
#54
#54
cotton said:
I'll post the result after I get some input, specifically on my bet sizing. I know it is kind of strange to have $32 left from a $200 stack for a turn reraise.
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Sorry. I got pulled into the story.:)
 
#56
#56
Fine Vol said:
No limit

UTG with P10s. The guy two seats after you is a maniac and has been tearing up the table. I have a supertight image and have seen one hand in the last hour. Villain has me covered.

Hero raises 600. to go. Villian calls and its folded around.
Blinds 50-!00 I have 5000. left
Flop J J 4
Hero bets 1200
Villain raises ALL IN
Hero?
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Why did you raise 6x the BB preflop. You should usually raise it to 300 here, maybe at most 400 because you're UTG.

I also need to know the suits of the JJ4 flop
 
#58
#58
By the way, I'm folding the hand Fine Vol, because you'll still have 32 BBs to play with. Tons of room to limp some hands, win small pots.
 
#60
#60
VolinArizona said:
By the way, I'm folding the hand Fine Vol, because you'll still have 32 BBs to play with. Tons of room to limp some hands, win small pots.
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Agree- you are asking for trouble wit that one.
 
#61
#61
cotton said:
I agree that 6BB is fishy. I think we have a different read from that point, but I'm still laying it down. I play a lot of limit and pot limit holdem, but not that much NL and very rarely a NL tourney, so that pot sized flop bet looks exactly right to me, but may in fact be wrong.

Speaking of bet sizes, here's my stab at posting a hand where I was uncomfortable sizing my bets. 2-5 NL cash game on the boat in Metropolis. Table is fairly loose-passive, and SB is a supercool guy (think Calipari wanna be) who I've seen make a move on the blinds almost every time it is folded to him in mid or late position. I have a $192 stack, he has about twice that.

Cotton looks down at: Qd Qc, raises to $20
SB calls, BB folds (pot $45)

Flop is: Qs 7d 2s
Cotton bets $40, SB calls (pot $125)

Turn is 9h
Cotton bets $120. SB stares me down and asks if I am bluffing. I told him I forgot. SB goes all in. I push in my remaining $32 and call.

River is Ks
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Did your boy have J-10? Both spades? I'll tell you, when two suited cards come out on the flop, if I'm sitting on trips, I usually bet higher. I'd rather take down what's already a decent sized pot than allow someone two chances to draw down on a trips-killing flush. If they have lower trips, or two pair, there's a good chance that they'll call even a larger bet - thinking you might have a pair of Queens and a high kicker.

Still the $120 call and raise on the turn is suspect. . . .unless he could win with two cards for a straight and any spade for a flush.
 
#62
#62
cotton said:
I agree that 6BB is fishy. I think we have a different read from that point, but I'm still laying it down. I play a lot of limit and pot limit holdem, but not that much NL and very rarely a NL tourney, so that pot sized flop bet looks exactly right to me, but may in fact be wrong.

Speaking of bet sizes, here's my stab at posting a hand where I was uncomfortable sizing my bets. 2-5 NL cash game on the boat in Metropolis. Table is fairly loose-passive, and SB is a supercool guy (think Calipari wanna be) who I've seen make a move on the blinds almost every time it is folded to him in mid or late position. I have a $192 stack, he has about twice that.

Cotton looks down at: Qd Qc, raises to $20
SB calls, BB folds (pot $45)

Flop is: Qs 7d 2s
Cotton bets $40, SB calls (pot $125)

Turn is 9h
Cotton bets $120. SB stares me down and asks if I am bluffing. I told him I forgot. SB goes all in. I push in my remaining $32 and call.

River is Ks
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I put him on a 7. I figure he caught middle pair.
 
#63
#63
cotton said:
I agree that 6BB is fishy. I think we have a different read from that point, but I'm still laying it down. I play a lot of limit and pot limit holdem, but not that much NL and very rarely a NL tourney, so that pot sized flop bet looks exactly right to me, but may in fact be wrong.

Speaking of bet sizes, here's my stab at posting a hand where I was uncomfortable sizing my bets. 2-5 NL cash game on the boat in Metropolis. Table is fairly loose-passive, and SB is a supercool guy (think Calipari wanna be) who I've seen make a move on the blinds almost every time it is folded to him in mid or late position. I have a $192 stack, he has about twice that.

Cotton looks down at: Qd Qc, raises to $20
SB calls, BB folds (pot $45)

Flop is: Qs 7d 2s
Cotton bets $40, SB calls (pot $125)

Turn is 9h
Cotton bets $120. SB stares me down and asks if I am bluffing. I told him I forgot. SB goes all in. I push in my remaining $32 and call.

River is Ks
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10sJs?
 
#64
#64
If he were suited he would not ask if he was bluffing on the turn. Think about the question.
 
#65
#65
Slow playing trips is a bad idea most of the time- especially when the board shows a flush draw like in this situation. Unless the board is an ugly rainbow- I tend to play my trips swiftly, making it tough on any chasers that are lurking. Perhaps the initial bet after the flop was weak- gave him time to really fall in love with that draw. You came strong on the turn- but apparently, he had already made up his mind to see the river. Tough break. Awful play by your opponent, IMHO.
 
#66
#66
SWIL said:
Slow playing trips is a bad idea most of the time- especially when the board shows a flush draw like in this situation. Unless the board is an ugly rainbow- I tend to play my trips swiftly, making it tough on any chasers that are lurking. Perhaps the initial bet after the flop was weak- gave him time to really fall in love with that draw. You came strong on the turn- but apparently, he had already made up his mind to see the river. Tough break. Awful play by your opponent, IMHO.
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Has he said what the play was?
 
#67
#67
kiddiedoc said:
Did your boy have J-10? Both spades? I'll tell you, when two suited cards come out on the flop, if I'm sitting on trips, I usually bet higher. I'd rather take down what's already a decent sized pot than allow someone two chances to draw down on a trips-killing flush. If they have lower trips, or two pair, there's a good chance that they'll call even a larger bet - thinking you might have a pair of Queens and a high kicker.

Still the $120 call and raise on the turn is suspect. . . .unless he could win with two cards for a straight and any spade for a flush.
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Why bet more on the flop? Betting $40 into $45 would give the villain a hair over 2:1 odds on his call when he needs 4:1 direct odds. He can't think he's getting a free card on the turn. Betting more is just poor pot control.

I would have pushed all-in on the turn card.
 
#68
#68
lol- no, I'm just assuming he hit the flush on the river. If he had 10s,Js - then he had outs all over the place- and I see why he called.
 
#69
#69
VolinArizona said:
Why bet more on the flop? Betting $40 into $45 would give the villain a hair over 2:1 odds on his call when he needs 4:1 direct odds. He can't think he's getting a free card on the turn. Betting more is just poor pot control.

I would have pushed all-in on the turn card.
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Same here.
 
#71
#71
He had K-7, and even told me he sucked out on the river before noticing my set. He generally played the hand awfully--I'm not sure he made a single "correct" play--but I am more concerned with my betting pattern (again, remember I play a lot of pot-limit.) My last bet was weird, but I didn't want to bet more than the pot to chase off a made hand, and I didn't want to give the flush draw odds (and his implied odds sucked as well,) so I'm wondering if more careful bet sizing on the earlier rounds could have made the play better.
 
#72
#72
For him to semi bluff all in on the turn is stupid unless he at least had a pair. Cotton showed strength 2x so I dont see a spade draw all in bet unless the guy sucks.The question he asked are you bluffing was to see if Cotton had a Q. No reason to ask that with a draw. A-7 or 44-66 He could semi bluff all in with a pair if he thought Cotton missed an AK type hand or had Ace high.
 
#73
#73
cotton said:
He had K-7, and even told me he sucked out on the river before noticing my set. He generally played the hand awfully, but I am more concerned with my betting pattern (again, remember I play a lot of pot-limit.) My last bet was weird, but I didn't want to bet more than the pot to chase off a made hand, and I didn't want to give the flush draw odds (and his implied odds sucked as well,) so I'm wondering if more careful bet sizing on the earlier rounds could have made the play better.
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Here's why in NL you need to push that turn if you're going to bet $120. After you bet $120, you say you have $32 left, right? No matter what card hits the river, you're last $32 is going in - the pot is too big to fold. So shove it all in on the turn.
 
#74
#74
cotton said:
He had K-7, and even told me he sucked out on the river before noticing my set. He generally played the hand awfully--I'm not sure he made a single "correct" play--but I am more concerned with my betting pattern (again, remember I play a lot of pot-limit.) My last bet was weird, but I didn't want to bet more than the pot to chase off a made hand, and I didn't want to give the flush draw odds (and his implied odds sucked as well,) so I'm wondering if more careful bet sizing on the earlier rounds could have made the play better.
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Yes I read it right :rock:
 
#75
#75
VolinArizona said:
Here's why in NL you need to push that turn if you're going to bet $120. After you bet $120, you say you have $32 left, right? No matter what card hits the river, you're last $32 is going in - the pot is too big to fold. So shove it all in on the turn.
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I don't necessarily agree with you here, VIA. I don't believe anyone is ever truly pot committed unless they are All in.
 
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