Playoff Blowouts - Garbage games

[508mikey]

I turned that JMU game off.
Horrible.

so ... some meaningless bowls are better than the CFP

 

[05_never_again]

There will eventually be a Cinderella team in the playoff that will win a couple of games. I am good with one mid-major team getting an automatic bid, but 2 was too many and always will be.

I would have enjoyed watching Vandy in one of those games. I want to know if they really were a playoff level team, or not. I would expect that team from nashville would defeat half of the playoff teams face to face.

That won't be (and wasn't intended to be) the normal order of things though. It was this year because the ACC sucks.

 

[GVF]

You can’t say they can’t be in, but they should have to meet a criteria in order to qualify. There’s no way that JMU should’ve been on the field at Oregon . It does nothing for the sport.

But, they did qualify. And surprisingly moved the ball well till they pulled out the 6 shooter and blew holes in their feet every time they got to the 15 yard line or better. Not that they would have acutally won. I'm sure the Oregon locker room speach made sure they didn't come out flat in this kind of game. So, yeah it got ugly quick.

When I turned the channel I don't think it was quite half time. I know the backups were likely on the field in the 2nd half. Can't believe Oregan actually surrendered that many points.

 

[GVF]

That won't be (and wasn't intended to be) the normal order of things though. It was this year because the ACC sucks.

That is true. Two G5 schools was 100% the fault of the ACC. And the one lone ranger toughed it out on TAM. This is not the normal criteria. It was kinda like a thrid tie breaker to decide conference title games. Nor should a P4 conference get so bad that a second G5 qualifies. It was also a crap seeding to have Tulane do Ole Miss again.

How embarrassing it is for the ACC that they showed worse than G5.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

But, they did qualify. And surprisingly moved the ball well till they pulled out the 6 shooter and blew holes in their feet every time they got to the 15 yard line or better. Not that they would have acutally won. I'm sure the Oregon locker room speach made sure they didn't come out flat in this kind of game. So, yeah it got ugly quick.

When I turned the channel I don't think it was quite half time. I know the backups were likely on the field in the 2nd half. Can't believe Oregan actually surrendered that many points.

They did, but I mean going forward there needs to be stipulations that must be met greater than what it was this season. You should at least be ranked in the top 20 . And I think that for every team. As a lifelong Duke fan I can say that it would’ve been cool to see them in the CFP, but they had no business being there.

 

[GVF]

They did, but I mean going forward there needs to be stipulations that must be met greater than what it was this season. You should at least be ranked in the top 20 . And I think that for every team. As a lifelong Duke fan I can say that it would’ve been cool to see them in the CFP, but they had no business being there.

It was the ACC mess that backed 5 loss Duke into the ACC title game (and won) that ended up qualifying JMU for the CFP. I think the intent is to only allow 1 G5 in the CFP in most scenarios, but they got down to a qualifying criteria no one ever expected to actually use. It did penalize ND/Texas/Vandy, so maybe that specific qualifier should be re-written and bump it a little further down the decision tree ??

Not that JMU was a horrible team. I did not expect them to ever get past their own 25 though on Oregon. In some ways they were impressive on offense. And made some UT level false starts and stuff in the red zone when they clearly could have had 2-3 TD's on the 1st team D in the first half. But that O was way too fast for the JMU D. The 1st team O clearly could have put up 70 on JMU. However, that 2nd team D got some work to do this spring giving up most of the 34 points in one half. Made that game look way better than it was. If you didn't watch it, or some of it, you'd thought JMU took it to them losing by just 17.

 

[05_never_again]

They did, but I mean going forward there needs to be stipulations that must be met greater than what it was this season. You should at least be ranked in the top 20 . And I think that for every team. As a lifelong Duke fan I can say that it would’ve been cool to see them in the CFP, but they had no business being there.

When it does to 16 teams, I bet they'll do away with automatic qualifiers and just take the 16 best teams.

That also could very well be the end of the conference title games, especially if the additional money from a 16-team playoff makes up (or more than makes up) for the loss in revenue from the conference title games.

 

[knoxvol52]

When it does to 16 teams, I bet they'll do away with automatic qualifiers and just take the 16 best teams.

That also could very well be the end of the conference title games, especially if the additional money from a 16-team playoff makes up (or more than makes up) for the loss in revenue from the conference title games.

No reason to have conferences if your not going to reward the conference Champions... Conference Champions don't have to be seeded at the top but at least put them in CFP.

Just the P4 Conference Champions ...and of course the highest rated Group of 5 team because it's not going to change.

 

[Enigmatic_Vol]

So, as expected, Tulane and James Madison get blown out. Just awful games to watch. Neither team should have been in the playoffs.

I hope corrections are made in the process and the Best and Most Competitive teams play in the future.

It’s a shame. It’s like watching a Homecoming games with a doormat team.

This is a non-issue. There are always blowouts in bowls (and other games for that matter) even when teams are deemed equal by the odds makers. Turnovers, crazy plays, all kinds of stuff happen and contribute. Just part of the game.

 

[volfan102455]

This is a non-issue. There are always blowouts in bowls (and other games for that matter) even when teams are deemed equal by the odds makers. Turnovers, crazy plays, all kinds of stuff happen and contribute. Just part of the game.

yes, I mean look at what happened to us and Oregon last year against OSU. That does not imply that either of us were not qualified to be in the playoffs - it was just a bad night and bad matchup.

 

[volfan102455]

When it does to 16 teams, I bet they'll do away with automatic qualifiers and just take the 16 best teams.

That also could very well be the end of the conference title games, especially if the additional money from a 16-team playoff makes up (or more than makes up) for the loss in revenue from the conference title games.

There will always be automatic qualifiers from the conferences. That was one of the concerns raised with the two team and four team playoffs and why the field was enlarged to 12.

There is absolutely no issue with having automatic qualifiers from each conference. The best from each should be included.

The loss in revenue is from the bowl games not the conference championships. Going to 16 only has at most 15 games - those will not generate enough revenue to replace the 41 bowl games. Even if you separated into two divisions and had two championships, that is still just 30 games, 11 short of what exists today, and the first round of those are at the schools.

There is a large amount of revenue associated with the bowl games, not just for the schools but for the communities that host those games.

It would take something like a "March Madness" equivalent for football with strategically placed locations to generate the same amount of revenue. It would also be more costly for the teams that are successful - travel costs are not inexpensive.

 

[volfan102455]

I think we are all just going to have to chill around the blowouts - we saw them even with 2 and 4 teams and it will not surprise me if we see a few more in the coming weeks in both the playoffs and the bowl games.

 

[05_never_again]

There will always be automatic qualifiers from the conferences. That was one of the concerns raised with the two team and four team playoffs and why the field was enlarged to 12.

There is absolutely no issue with having automatic qualifiers from each conference. The best from each should be included.

The loss in revenue is from the bowl games not the conference championships. Going to 16 only has at most 15 games - those will not generate enough revenue to replace the 41 bowl games. Even if you separated into two divisions and had two championships, that is still just 30 games, 11 short of what exists today, and the first round of those are at the schools.

There is a large amount of revenue associated with the bowl games, not just for the schools but for the communities that host those games.

It would take something like a "March Madness" equivalent for football with strategically placed locations to generate the same amount of revenue. It would also be more costly for the teams that are successful - travel costs are not inexpensive.

Why would all 41 bowl games be replaced with a 16-team playoff? You could still have all of those games.

 

[Lady_Vol]

This is a non-issue. There are always blowouts in bowls (and other games for that matter) even when teams are deemed equal by the odds makers. Turnovers, crazy plays, all kinds of stuff happen and contribute. Just part of the game.

So you think that these were EQUALLY MATCHED TEAMS?

Ole Miss vs Tulane (Equal talent?)
Oregon vs James Madison (Equal talent?)

Everyone (including Vegas/sports betting) predicted blowout games. So why have the games as part of playoff? Choose another team that will be a better matchup. Notre Dame? Vandy? Texas?

There were better selections available than the pitiful Tulane and James Madison picks. Wasted picks. And it cost better teams their shot.

 

[SockeyeVol]

So, as expected, Tulane and James Madison get blown out. Just awful games to watch. Neither team should have been in the playoffs.

I hope corrections are made in the process and the Best and Most Competitive teams play in the future.

It’s a shame. It’s like watching a Homecoming games with a doormat team. Sad.

Did you think the Vols belonged in the 2024 playoffs? 2nd-worst loss in last two years of CFP. Worse than JMU's.

 

[sami]

It's embarrassing. The whole "Give the little guy a chance" buffoons will will continue to have egg on their face year after year. Not a single group of 5 team will ever win it all. They just don't have enough talent.

Win it all? A G5 team winning a single playoff game will be incredibly rare.

 

[sami]

Did you think the Vols belonged in the 2024 playoffs? 2nd-worst loss in last two years of CFP. Worse than JMU's.

No Dylan Sampson, who was pretty much our offense last season, and the game was still competitive midway into the 3rd quarter. And that Ohio State team proved it was a juggernaut. Not even close to JMU or Tulane.

 

[SockeyeVol]

No Dylan Sampson, who was pretty much our offense last season, and the game was still competitive midway into the 3rd quarter. And that Ohio State team proved it was a juggernaut. Not even close to JMU or Tulane.

I understand that. The point though is that Power 4 matchups are not immune to blowouts either.

We can parse every situation to fit a narrative, but the fact is that blowouts happen a LOT in bowl games. Excluding some of these other conferences would bring its own set of problems for college football, and I'm not sure the "blowout" argument is really worth it.

 

[Firebirdparts]

Lots of blowouts in the Super Bowl. That's just how football is.

All the "progress" is taking fans away from where they want to go.

 

[GVF]

I'd say the Sooners qualify as getting blown out ?? Big start but then got two tires blown out and one slow leak.

And either Miami and A&M both had other wordly defenses on hte same day, or both offenses were completely inept. Boring game.

 

[sami]

I don’t understand why people want it to be college basketball or March Madness.

The single most idiotic argument in favor of a expanded playoff and G5 teams being included will always be the delusional comparison to March Madness, as if there's a snowball's chance in hell that we'll ever see a run by some G5 team ala George Mason or St. Peter's.

The chance of a G5 team winning a single game every decade is beyond remote. But a run? You have more of a chance to find a hen with teeth.

 

[sami]

I understand that. The point though is that Power 4 matchups are not immune to blowouts either.

We can parse every situation to fit a narrative, but the fact is that blowouts happen a LOT in bowl games. Excluding some of these other conferences would bring its own set of problems for college football, and I'm not sure the "blowout" argument is really worth it.

The point isn't to avoid blowouts, which will happen every year. Hell, how many Super Bowls have been complete blowouts. And CFP championship games like Bama-Clemson. Blowouts will always happen, and many are games that just get out of hand late, like our game against OSU.

The point is avoiding games where the spread going in is three TD's or more, where you know within a half a quarter that it's going to be an embarrassment. What's the answer? I'm not the one to ask, because I'd do away with the whole damn thing.

 

[05_never_again]

I understand that. The point though is that Power 4 matchups are not immune to blowouts either.

We can parse every situation to fit a narrative, but the fact is that blowouts happen a LOT in bowl games. Excluding some of these other conferences would bring its own set of problems for college football, and I'm not sure the "blowout" argument is really worth it.

Lots of blowouts in the Super Bowl. That's just how football is.

All the "progress" is taking fans away from where they want to go.

I think people bellyache over blowouts in big games in football because often it's the only game on at the time. There are tons of blowouts in the NCAAT too, and if they happen late in the tournament when there aren't many games going on at one time people whine. But those first 2 weekends of the tournament are so great because there are so many simultaneous games so many are bound to be close. You tune out the blowouts and watch the close games, and everybody talks about how awesome the tournament is.

 

[volfan102455]

The number of threads on this is insane! We have absolutely no control over this - NONE. The G5 conferences are considered to be part of Division 1 - as such they have the right, just like the teams in the other 4 conferences to compete for a national championship in the division.

Will they ever win a NC, the odds are against that, but that is true of other conferences as well - but we let them participate.

Since the start of the BCS (and the concept of a playoff) started in 1998, 27 years ago here is how the conferences have fared:

- SEC: 15 titles
- ACC: 5 Titles
- Big 10: 4 Titles
- Big 12: 2 Titles (Those were Texas and Oklahoma who are now part of the SEC)
- Pac 12: 1 Title (USC who is now part of the Big 10)

If anything, last year showcased that 4 teams was too little - OSU was ranked 6 last year and won the championship. Had there still been only 4 teams, they would have been left out and played in a bowl. The champion would have more than likely been an SEC team again (Georgia or Texas)

 

[Boston Vol]

The number of threads on this is insane! We have absolutely no control over this - NONE. The G5 conferences are considered to be part of Division 1 - as such they have the right, just like the teams in the other 4 conferences to compete for a national championship in the division.

Will they ever win a NC, the odds are against that, but that is true of other conferences as well - but we let them participate.

Since the start of the BCS (and the concept of a playoff) started in 1998, 27 years ago here is how the conferences have fared:

- SEC: 15 titles
- ACC: 5 Titles
- Big 10: 4 Titles
- Big 12: 2 Titles (Those were Texas and Oklahoma who are now part of the SEC)
- Pac 12: 1 Title (USC who is now part of the Big 10)

If anything, last year showcased that 4 teams was too little - OSU was ranked 6 last year and won the championship. Had there still been only 4 teams, they would have been left out and played in a bowl. The champion would have more than likely been an SEC team again (Georgia or Texas)

They do have the right to compete. Get rid off all auto-qualifiers and just select the top 12-16 teams. That way a G5 program has the same path to a championship that a P4 program does. Boise would have made the playoff last year, as one of the top 12 teams.