Playoff Blowouts - Garbage games

[DirtyDawg]

the post season tournament is the same. youre trying to split hairs but its not working

I do understand your argument, but @Flogballs is absolutely right in this regard. An ncaa basketball tournament is not the same as the CFP. It’s not even close to the same animal, and you gotta see the difference.

For example, in basketball it’s possible for a small school to compete with say Duke in a game if they shoot well or just have a great game. In football, Old Dominion has a great team for where they are, but they have absolutely about a 1% chance to beat UGA or Tennessee, and honestly 1% is being very generous. A football game at that level is just not the same thing as a basketball game.

 

[Jax_Vol]

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I do understand your argument, but @Flogballs is absolutely right in this regard. An ncaa basketball tournament is not the same as the CFP. It’s not even close to the same animal, and you gotta see the difference.

For example, in basketball it’s possible for a small school to compete with say Duke in a game if they shoot well or just have a great game. In football, Old Dominion has a great team for where they are, but they have absolutely about a 1% chance to beat UGA or Tennessee, and honestly 1% is being very generous. A football game at that level is just not the same thing as a basketball game.

Exactly . Football is the ultimate team game. If Davidson has Steph Curry, his ability to score and change the game is completely different because he’s better than the other 9 guys on the floor, all of whom are responsible for both offense and defense. If you have a generational QB talent playing for JMU surrounded by a bunch of guys who wouldn’t crack the 3 deep at Oregon he can’t win 1 vs 22. It’s apples to oranges . Boise State was a worthy G5 CFP team last year . This year one didn’t exist and the tv product suffered . Texas or Vandy at Ole Miss and Notre Dame at Oregon was what the college football fans deserved instead the inclusive bs that was forced upon us. It’s like the committee said the “hell with it” bc they didn’t want to compete with Eagles vs Skins and Bears vs Packers

 

[adam.vol]

the G5 doesn't deserve a given spot, and neither Tulane nor JMU did anything with their weak schedules to earn a playoff spot

That should be a given, but apparently no one can say it loudly enough to reach the folks in the back. Auto bids are the worst thing that could happen to competition.

 

[Firebirdparts]

This has got to change, right?

My guess is that it gets much worse. The CFP will be expanded to 16 with the byes eliminated. #1 will play #16. Fans will clamor for expansion to 32.

The solutions offered seem to be a recipe for worsening everything.

 

[DirtyDawg]

My guess is that it gets much worse. The CFP will be expanded to 16 with the byes eliminated. #1 will play #16. Fans will clamor for expansion to 32.

The solutions offered seem to be a recipe for worsening everything.

Yeah, there is really no fair way to do it. There will always be someone deserving that is slighted. I’m assuming that these miss-match games are just something we are going to have to deal with.

Of course if say ND and Vandy had been in instead of JMU and Tulane, the games would have almost certainly been more entertaining. However, I’m sure that a format that would have lead to such would likely come with all sorts of new problems and issues.

In truth though, it’s highly likely that even the current format gives the very best teams a shot. If I were a ND fan I’d be pissed, but if you’re not gonna risk playing in a conference championship game you better leave no doubt! Join a conference or leave no DOUBT!!!

I don’t really blame ND, they have their own tv contract and it’s very lucrative. However, it reminds me of the old saying “You can’t have your cake, and eat it too”. Now they have this MOU, which is ridiculous IMO.

I’m thinking that things just changed so quickly that the dust hasn’t yet settled so to speak. That, mixed with the fact that this whole process is driven by money controlled by greedy financiers just makes things very difficult. It’s basically a trial and error way of learning I suppose. I’m sure at some point in the future more intelligent heads will ultimately prevail and we will have a product that everyone is at least ok with, but it will take some time. Until then, let’s all just fire from the hip and hope for the best!

 

[Tenacjim]

That should be a given, but apparently no one can say it loudly enough to reach the folks in the back. Auto bids are the worst thing that could happen to competition.

At least they fixed that seeding issue from last year that screwed TN out of a home game and created mismatches in the quarterfinals. That jacked up the ENTIRE bracket last year……

If you’re going to let these guys in, just go to a straight 16 and let the 1 and 2 seed murder them the first weekend….

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Of course you're complaining that Tulane and JMU don't belong in the tournament even though they meet the criteria the CFP established.

That's the entire point of this thread. Complain about the CFP criteria being "bad."

If you don't like the game, watch something else. May I recommend the Packers and Bears which is going to OT.

Pretty much. The same people b****ed about too many bowl games, too many lopsided bowl games, I'm convinced we could come up with the perfect playoff format and they'd still b****. They b***ed about the BCS, the 4 team playoff, now the 12 team.

I mean from what I saw, neither Miami or TAMU beloned. TAMU was a fraud.

 

[adam.vol]

At least they fixed that seeding issue from last year that screwed TN out of a home game and created mismatches in the quarterfinals. That jacked up the ENTIRE bracket last year……

If you’re going to let these guys in, just go to a straight 16 and let the 1 and 2 seed murder them the first weekend….

I don’t believe the seeding issue was an accident last year. Whenever TV networks get involved, controversy will ensue. That’s what they sell.

We’ll never get something that makes complete sense as a tournament format because they want us idiots arguing over things that do not matter. Yet, I still like cheering for my home team.

 

[Redleg68]

My guess is that it gets much worse. The CFP will be expanded to 16 with the byes eliminated. #1 will play #16. Fans will clamor for expansion to 32.

The solutions offered seem to be a recipe for worsening everything.

How about expanding to 64 teams with the following set-up and conditions.
1. The 64 teams would be in four tiers of 16 teams each.
2. Each tier would play for the National Championship in their tier. No cross playing of tiers.
3. No coach hires or transfer portals allowed during play off period.
4. All Bowls would be part of the playoffs--no outside bowls.

 

[GVF]

Like it or not, G5 and P4 are both D1-A. To have a legit playoff you have to have established criteria whereby 1 or 2 can actually get in. Can't bar G5/6 from a D1-A playoff. Create another playoff? Gonna screw over FCS by effectively creating a division between FCS and P4?

 

[adam.vol]

We need special referees to make sure the G5 teams aren’t so disadvantaged next year. The lopsided scoring is racist.

Maybe now you understand what’s up with the goofy playoff format.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Like it or not, G5 and P4 are both D1-A. To have a legit playoff you have to have established criteria whereby 1 or 2 can actually get in. Can't bar G5/6 from a D1-A playoff. Create another playoff? Gonna screw over FCS by effectively creating a division between FCS and P4?

You can’t say they can’t be in, but they should have to meet a criteria in order to qualify. There’s no way that JMU should’ve been on the field at Oregon . It does nothing for the sport.

 

[VOLtaism]

So, as expected, Tulane and James Madison get blown out. Just awful games to watch. Neither team should have been in the playoffs.

I hope corrections are made in the process and the Best and Most Competitive teams play in the future.

It’s a shame. It’s like watching a Homecoming games with a doormat team. Sad.

You can't have it both ways, the system has to be setup so all teams have some chance to win the championship, even though they don't. Games like that expose the need for separating the Big 5 from the power 4. We don't need a 16 team playoff when 8 will get the job done, power 4 only. The money says this will happen soon based on revenue sharing. Who ants to share with the Big 5?

 

[Firebirdparts]

I have said everywhere I think 4 teams was the proper number and so forth.

HOWEVER. I will say that I think the byes are useful for getting a legit champion without undue risk. As we see the expansion to 16 teams and then eventually 32, you're going to see that actually good teams will be put at greater risk for injuries. And that's a shame for the individual players. It doesn't really matter who wins, but if you have a career ending injury, it matters a lot to you.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You can’t say they can’t be in, but they should have to meet a criteria in order to qualify. There’s no way that JMU should’ve been on the field at Oregon . It does nothing for the sport.

I believe JMU did meet the criteria that's established by CFP which normally works reasonably to throw lesser conferences a bone.

In a fluke year, Duke sucked but won the ACC and didn't meet the criteria for the CFP. That's not an expected nor common occurrence.

Then the bitching starts because people refuse to accept that things happen that are on the fringes of the bell curve now and then.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I believe JMU did meet the criteria that's established by CFP which normally works reasonably to throw lesser conferences a bone.

In a fluke year, Duke sucked but won the ACC and didn't meet the criteria for the CFP. That's not an expected nor common occurrence.

Then the bitching starts because people refuse to accept that things happen that are on the fringes of the bell curve now and then.

The bitching for me started when I watched their conference championship game vs Troy and I realized that they weren’t good. At least not a capable football team versus the best teams in the P4. It didn’t help when everyone posted their resume showing their SOS being in the 3 digits. They played Louisville and lost by 2 scores. That’s not terrible by any means, but I just don’t see how that puts them and Tulane in the CFP at the same time . At least Tulane beat the ACC champ and also played Ole Miss. It was stupid to pair them up w/ them again after getting smoked by 5 touchdowns. At least Boise was competitive @ Oregon last season during the regular season. In your opinion why did JMU meet the criteria to get in the CFP?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The bitching for me started when I watched their conference championship game vs Troy and I realized that they weren’t good. At least not a capable football team versus the best teams in the P4. It didn’t help when everyone posted their resume showing their SOS being in the 3 digits. They played Louisville and lost by 2 scores. That’s not terrible by any means, but I just don’t see how that puts them and Tulane in the CFP at the same time . At least Tulane beat the ACC champ and also played Ole Miss. It was stupid to pair them up w/ them again after getting smoked by 5 touchdowns. At least Boise was competitive @ Oregon last season during the regular season. In your opinion why did JMU meet the criteria to get in the CFP?

It's the tournament rules and it's not my tournament. Would I prefer more competitive games? Sure. For legal and business reasons, the CFP criteria are what they are and it isn't designed to always give a "best of the best" tournament.

The criteria will work probably 90% of the time to give one "unqualified" team a place in the tournament and the rest of the teams will be acceptable matchups. It's fine.

This year the ACC delivered a really poor product from their championship but that's not going to be common at all.

It's the acting like the CFP actually wanted JMU and Tulane in the tournament that's my issue. They didn't, I'm sure, but they have established criteria which the teams met.

Do you want them to ignore the established criteria because the results are not 100% guaranteed to be optimal for TV every year? Things happen. Chill.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't think BYU would have been all that much better of a game.

they only had one ranked win, it was at home, by 3, against Utah. that was their only other ranked game besides being dogwalked by TTech twice.

 

[05_never_again]

I do understand your argument, but @Flogballs is absolutely right in this regard. An ncaa basketball tournament is not the same as the CFP. It’s not even close to the same animal, and you gotta see the difference.

For example, in basketball it’s possible for a small school to compete with say Duke in a game if they shoot well or just have a great game. In football, Old Dominion has a great team for where they are, but they have absolutely about a 1% chance to beat UGA or Tennessee, and honestly 1% is being very generous. A football game at that level is just not the same thing as a basketball game.

Not only that, but in the NCAAT there are just so many games. There are a lot of blowouts in NCAAT games too, but if the game you're watching isn't close you just switch to another one. If there's only one game on at a time and isn't a blowout, then you get a lot of bellyaching.

Also, it is so ironic that the CFP was designed to give the G5 teams a seat at the table, but especially now with the Portal there isn't a G5 team capable of making a run, or even winning a single game. I would love to see one of those Chris Petersen Boise St teams in a 12-team playoff.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

It's the tournament rules and it's not my tournament. Would I prefer more competitive games? Sure. For legal and business reasons, the CFP criteria are what they are and it isn't designed to always give a "best of the best" tournament.

The criteria will work probably 90% of the time to give one "unqualified" team a place in the tournament and the rest of the teams will be acceptable matchups. It's fine.

This year the ACC delivered a really poor product from their championship but that's not going to be common at all.

It's the acting like the CFP actually wanted JMU and Tulane in the tournament that's my issue. They didn't, I'm sure, but they have established criteria which the teams met.

Do you want them to ignore the established criteria because the results are not 100% guaranteed to be optimal for TV every year? Things happen. Chill.

I thought the point of the message boards was to have a conversation, which is what I am doing. No need to chill on my end. You’re always the one that comes on here and tries to lecture everyone. I stated that JMU shouldn’t have been included given their strength of schedule and their loss to the one P4 team they played. A team from the lackluster ACC. Tulane made the tournament, good for them. They earned it. That’s all it should’ve been. Maybe in the future they should have a play in game where Tulane plays JMU in Dayton.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I thought the point of the message boards was to have a conversation, which is what I am doing. No need to chill on my end. You’re always the one that comes on here and tries to lecture everyone. I stated that JMU shouldn’t have been included given their strength of schedule and their loss to the one P4 team they played. A team from the lackluster ACC. Tulane made the tournament, good for them. They earned it.

I'm just saying the criteria were met and were there when the season started.

It's pretty silly to bitch that the CFP actually used the criteria they had in place. It'll work most years and this year it didn't because no plan can be put in place that works every year. Hence, chill seems to be the best plan.

We agree no plan can be put in place that will give great matchups every year and this year instead of one lousy team we got two. It happens and we knew it could happen from the beginning of the year but it wasn't likely.

We all suffered. I napped way more than I should've and enjoyed the NFL more than I planned. I'm sure the CFP caught angry responses from the media and advertisers.

Nothing is perfect. It's just one year that fell outside the preferred outcome.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I'm just saying the criteria were met and were there when the season started.

It's pretty silly to bitch that the CFP actually used the criteria they had in place. It'll work most years and this year it didn't because no plan can be put in place that works every year. Hence, chill seems to be the best plan.

We agree no plan can be put in place that will give great matchups every year and this year instead of one lousy team we got two. It happens and we knew it could happen from the beginning of the year but it wasn't likely.

We all suffered. I napped way more than I should've and enjoyed the NFL more than I planned. I'm sure the CFP caught angry responses from the media and advertisers.

Nothing is perfect. It's just one year that fell outside the preferred outcome.

I think the whole point of this is just having a conversation about what should be done by whoever makes the rules to ensure that this doesn’t happen again. I feel like something will change bc it is an entertainment product and when the casual fan knows before it even starts that half the games won’t be competitive it’s not a good thing.

 

[SpookyAction]

There will eventually be a Cinderella team in the playoff that will win a couple of games. I am good with one mid-major team getting an automatic bid, but 2 was too many and always will be.

I would have enjoyed watching Vandy in one of those games. I want to know if they really were a playoff level team, or not. I would expect that team from nashville would defeat half of the playoff teams face to face.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I think the whole point of this is just having a conversation about what should be done by whoever makes the rules to ensure that this doesn’t happen again. I feel like something will change bc it is an entertainment product and when the casual fan knows before it even starts that half the games won’t be competitive it’s not a good thing.

I don't feel like much can change. We agree it was a lousy product Saturday but I think the CFP is under quite a bit of pressure to make the tournament look "fair" and the occasional "bad TV" result reinforces that perception in an odd way.

It will take more than one "we got two bad teams in the tournament" year to cause changes IMO.