Pitt's Peterman, Vols' Dobbs Lead a Surprising QB Class

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At the moment the Browns are taking a serious look at Dobbs, or at least pretending like they are. It's all over the Browns forums and facebook. Hue is currently coaching him in an exhibition game.

Brown's fans are *****ing the whole way.... nobody thinks he can pass.
 
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kohlrums said:
This is a long way of saying a lot of people on this board are ignorant in terms of how to properly evaluate football play. And I agree with that.
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Many posters on VN just post to vent period. The better posters "do their homework", and check out the circumstances before making a statement. Rarely do they take into account that we are mainly talking about 18 -20 year old young men having to make monumental decisions that could impact their future in a variety of ways. Some posters actually think these message boards have some type of impact on decision-making from recruits, coaches,....etc. The amount of inaccuracy i've witnessed leads me to believe that any player or coach simply ignores these forums....which are fans just venting.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
At the moment the Browns are taking a serious look at Dobbs, or at least pretending like they are. It's all over the Browns forums and facebook. Hue is currently coaching him in an exhibition game.

Brown's fans are *****ing the whole way.... nobody thinks he can pass.
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If the Browns draft Dobbs they might actually be good again. They would finally find a franchise QB.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If the Browns draft Dobbs they might actually be good again. They would finally find a franchise QB.
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Well, when you look at what the Browns actually need. They need a DURABLE leader. Someone who can lead and stay on the field long enough to actually do the job. Remember the conditions that the Browns play in and the opponents. Dobbs seems to fit those two conditions, but he's not the biggest or strongest guy in the room for sure. His passing is on again off again. he can do it when he applies himself, but for what ever reason that's not always the case. This might be one of those rare exceptional cases where having an extra back as a QB actually makes sense you know?


Then again The Browns are playing the game right now and he might just be a distraction.
 
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Here's another glowing article on Dobbs performance thus far at the senior bowl:

Mark Schofield's Day Two Senior Bowl QB Notes - Inside The Pylon

Inconsistency and redemption were the words of the day, centered around one player: Joshua Dobbs. The former Tennessee quarterback has a reputation for being inconsistent, and as noted yesterday his Senior Bowl week got off to a shaky start. But today he was the class of the South squad. This started early during the first segment of practice, an 11-on-11 session, where he threw a beautiful crossing route to Alabama tight end O.J. Howard.

When the South moved over into some one-on-one drills, Dobbs remained crisp, throwing a beautiful back shoulder throw along the right sideline to start the session and remaining strong through the portion of practice, displaying some solid ball placement and some good anticipation for most of his throws. Meanwhile, Davis Webb and Antonio Pipkin remained inconsistent. Webb threw an out route late and well behind his target, hitting the defensive back in the back shoulder. He rebounded with a good vertical route that was dropped, but then overthrew another vertical route, and overthrew Ryan Switzer (North Carolina) on a comeback route. Pipkin was late on a hitch route during this session, and missed on two vertical routes, a sideline 9 route, and a seam route.

During the skelton session, Pipkin was late on a corner route at one point, and left too much air under the football, and the safety rotated over and made the interception. This is a good learning point for the quarterback, as he’s seeing faster safeties this week with more range. He’s used to throws like that being completed as the safety likely gets there a step late. Pipkin also hesitated on one curl concept, although he showed some frustration after that play, as if he expected the receiver to break a different way, which might explain the delay in getting the football out of his hands. Dobbs continued to shine, showing very good anticipation and placement on a comeback. However he did miss Josh Reynolds on one play on a vertical route, when the WR used a nearly-flawless release against the press but Dobbs never saw him. However, it’s possible that route was not in the quarterback’s progression on the play.

Finally, two throws really stood out during the team session. Dobbs executed a beautiful throw on a play-action play, carrying out a fake to his right and then rolling to his left, doing a great job of getting his shoulders turned to the target and throwing one more comeback route with timing, anticipation and placement. But the throw of this session was from the Tiffin University product. On a vertical concept, he flashed his eyes to the right sideline to move the free safety outside, and then brought his field of vision to the middle of the field to find Ole Miss tight end Evan Engram open up the seam, before dropping in a well-placed throw that the TE snared with his hands. This was a great play from Pipkin and one to close out his day on.

Wrapping up the day of work, I remain impressed by Peterman and he continues to be the top QB down in Mobile. But the day that Josh Dobbs turned in is tough to ignore. He made a number of great throws, showed timing, anticipation, and good placement on most of his routes. This was a much improved performance from yesterday, and if the week is about getting a baseline on a player and seeing how they adapt and react to coaching, taking to advice and evolving in a new system, Dobbs really helped himself today.
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If the Browns coaching staff is as impressed with Josh's progression as this guy, there's a good chance they take him in day 2 with one of their two 2nd round picks or their 3rd round pick. I personally don't think he lasts till day 3 now. Based on his potential, he will go in the first 3 rounds of the 2017 draft.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
If Peterman becomes a starting Pro Bowl QB in the NFL, there are still going to be people on this board who swear he's the worst Quarterback in UT history.

Seriously, the guy failed in one half of one game playing with a broken hand against one of the best defenses in the nation with only O-line that would fall apart within seconds protecting him. Maybe it's just time to admit that you can't fully evaluate a QB based on one rough half of play in far-from-ideal circumstances. Even Peyton Manning has had halves where he looked terrible.
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excellent post.
 
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His numbers toward the end of the season were top notch however the South Carolina game kind of tarnished it all. That was one of the worst performances I can remember, the next would be Crompton vs UCLA
 
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Remember when people doubted Josh Dobbs arm strength?

Here is a video where observers at the senior bowl are praising Dobbs arm strength to "make all the NFL throws". Its pretty cool how he's getting love from almost everyone at these practices. He's definitely been on the short list of guys who everyone seems to be impressed by.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb30QgnwDE4[/youtube]
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
At the moment the Browns are taking a serious look at Dobbs, or at least pretending like they are. It's all over the Browns forums and facebook. Hue is currently coaching him in an exhibition game.

Brown's fans are *****ing the whole way.... nobody thinks he can pass.
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Lord please do not let him go to quarterback hell
 
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peerless98 said:
His "opportunity" came at a time in which he was set up to fail. He was obviously not ready at the time and was judged almost entirely on that performance.
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One has to take opportunities when they present themselves, because it may not come around again.

Yes for some that opportunity comes too soon - but I think we all fail to remember that Josh Dobbs was slung into the mix early as well and did just fine. That is why he won the starting role over Peterman.

Peterman could have stayed and battled it out and tried to win the job back. He didn't.

Dobbs > Peterman and I would not trade the 4 years of Dobbs for Peterman.
 
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volnbama_ said:
Butch botched the situation
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No he did not. Peterman blew his opportunity.

The only thing you can put on Coach Jones is that he tried Peterman instead of Dobbs. If he has inserted Dobbs instead of Peterman, then Peterman would have never seen the field at UT.
 
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volfan102455 said:
No he did not. Peterman blew his opportunity.

The only thing you can put on Coach Jones is that he tried Peterman instead of Dobbs. If he has inserted Dobbs instead of Peterman, then Peterman would have never seen the field at UT.
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I know Jones was trying to red shirt Dobbs that year but if inserted into the lineup earlier he could have saved 2 things: Worley's azz beatings he took and a few more wins for the Vols. Hindsight is 20/20 huh
 
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jasonvol18 said:
He really never got a fair chance.
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Please ... he was given a big chance in a key game and he blew it. Had he said "no coach", I'm not ready - well the end result would have been the same. The chance would have passed him by.

It happens with anything in life, not just football.

He moved on and found a team where he could win the starting position and redeemed himself. That is what happens in real life job experiences as well.
 
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Coachmike17 said:
I know Jones was trying to red shirt Dobbs that year but if inserted into the lineup earlier he could have saved 2 things: Worley's azz beatings he took and a few more wins for the Vols. Hindsight is 20/20 huh
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Totally agree - I do understand the rationale with Dobbs and it totally made sense ... he didn't bank on Worley not being able to finish the season and Peterman not being capable which lead to having to burn the redshirt later in the year.

What drives me crazy with this comparison is that Joshua Dobbs is one of the best QB's to ever play for Tennessee and the right QB remained on the team after all was said and done.
 
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Dobbs is a million times better than Peterman. I have never seen one game get a player so much hype. He completed less than 60% of his passes. The Clemson game is literally the only 300 yard game of his career. I don't see why he is getting so much love. He barely broke 300 yards passing once in his career on 37 attempts. It just happened to be against Clemson.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Well, when you look at what the Browns actually need. They need a DURABLE leader. Someone who can lead and stay on the field long enough to actually do the job. Remember the conditions that the Browns play in and the opponents. Dobbs seems to fit those two conditions, but he's not the biggest or strongest guy in the room for sure. His passing is on again off again. he can do it when he applies himself, but for what ever reason that's not always the case. This might be one of those rare exceptional cases where having an extra back as a QB actually makes sense you know?


Then again The Browns are playing the game right now and he might just be a distraction.
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You don't understand that the Cleveland Browns kill quarterback careers. Josh Dobbs might appear to be durable but he's never played for the Browns. Go ahead and look at all the top quarterbacks that the Browns have ruined since they became a franchise again. I wouldn't wish the Browns on my worst enemy let alone a fellow Vol.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
You don't understand that the Cleveland Browns kill quarterback careers. Josh Dobbs might appear to be durable but he's never played for the Browns. Go ahead and look at all the top quarterbacks that the Browns have ruined since they became a franchise again. I wouldn't wish the Browns on my worst enemy let alone a fellow Vol.
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This ^^^^^^^^^^ all day long!
 
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