Petition to rehire Bruce Pearl

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CCM's race has nothing to do with it. It's his lackluster coaching. Sure, Bruce may not be able to replicate the excitement he once generated but it damn sure was better than what we have. I also believe that Bruce would have had this team more consistent at winning. A team takes on it's coaches persona. Excitement breeds excitement. CCM is a fine man and is doing an almost okay job. Almost and okay just don't get it done.
 
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"Originally Posted by Weezer View Post
Shouldn't you be scourng the internet trying to find that missing Malaysian airplane?"

really ? is it fun to mention some people that are probably dead and bring them into a discussion about a coaching fire or hire ? SMH
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Trend started while Pearl was still here
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utvolpj said:
that's not true and it was falling in Pearl's last year too
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No "trend" had started under Pearl. Of course attendance took a bit of a hit during his last year, given the circumstances.

I'm not sure why this thread is still getting this much action, though. It's pretty clear that we're probably going to squeak into the tourney, so Martin will and probably should get at least one more year.
 
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If you think about it and attendance at Basketball and Football games, they were both Trending downward. I mean nobody wanted to Support anything Hamilton had his hands on. We had lost Kiffin, the Dools was here, Martin was New, The AD was under extreme scrutiny by the NCAA and everybody was burnt out on the whole mess.

Significant Events all under Hamilton's Watch....NCAA investigation (x2), Losing Seasons in Football, Fulmer Forced Out, Kiffin Skipping Out, Dooley's Hire, Bruce Pearl and the NCAA, The Economy, Pat Summit's beginning of the end, Dools Buyout, Cheek's Financially breaking of the AD and his move to raise academic standards.

Face it, Football was king, Pearl brought our attention to basketball. When Football went on life support, everybody looked to Basketball as a relief, but then the Bottom fell out of basketball (Pat Summit disease comes to the forefront and Pearl's BBQ). Baseball with Raleigh never got out of the dump.

Hamilton put the entire AD in a hole. The attendance maybe more reflective of a lack of support of Vol athletics than a coach. We are seeing improvement but face it, Pearl's showmanship and success was going to be a hard act to follow add all the other incidents not directly related to Basketball but to Vol Athletics across the board. Bad hires contributed to more than you think but the CCM hire is not the sole reason for the downward movement in attendance.

I hated giving money and watching the idiot (Hamilton) squander it based solely on saving a buck with an inability to read a contract or make a solid hire. He must have had enough confidence in Dooley that he thought that he would never have to terminate him before 5 years were exhausted.

Why would anybody support that money management stupidity.
 
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utvolpj said:
that's not true and it was falling in Pearl's last year too
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Accurate post...it hasn't fallen every year since CCM was hired.

However, saying the trend started while CBP was here is a bit misleading, IMO.

If I'm accurate, then in CBP's last year it fell by 216. In CCM's first year it fell by 2409...quite a bit of difference.

It will be interesting to see #'s for this season, and for next...assuming he's retained.

Personally, I know of a lot of folks who purchased tix while CBP was here...some that had never been season ticket holders before.

Can't say I know of any who are wanting to purchase now. In fact, most I know were trying to give their tix away for most of this year's games.

Oh well...guess they're just not VFL's.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
If you think about it and attendance at Basketball and Football games, they were both Trending downward. I mean nobody wanted to Support anything Hamilton had his hands on. We had lost Kiffin, the Dools was here, Martin was New, The AD was under extreme scrutiny by the NCAA and everybody was burnt out on the whole mess.

Significant Events all under Hamilton's Watch....NCAA investigation (x2), Losing Seasons in Football, Fulmer Forced Out, Kiffin Skipping Out, Dooley's Hire, Bruce Pearl and the NCAA, The Economy, Pat Summit's beginning of the end, Dools Buyout, Cheek's Financially breaking of the AD and his move to raise academic standards.

Face it, Football was king, Pearl brought our attention to basketball. When Football went on life support, everybody looked to Basketball as a relief, but then the Bottom fell out of basketball (Pat Summit disease comes to the forefront and Pearl's BBQ). Baseball with Raleigh never got out of the dump.

Hamiltion put the entire AD in a hole. The attendance maybe more reflective of a lack of support of Vol athletics than a coach. We are seeing improvement but face it, Pearl's showmanship and success was going to be a hard act to follow add all the other incidents not directly related to Basketball but to Vol Athletics across the board. Bad hires contributed to more than you think but the CCM hire is not the sole reason for the downward movement in attendance.

I hated giving money and watching the idiot (Hamilton) squander it based solely on saving a buck with an inability to read a contract. He must have had enough confidence in Dooley that he thought that he would never have to terminate him before 5 years were exhausted.

Why would anybody support that money management stupidity.
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I still say there's about 8 or so games that would totally have Martin in a different light. Had he made the NCAAT the last 2 years, we wouldn't be even talking about his job. I mean I'm sure there would be a minority still crowing about Pearl, but the end of his first year especially everyone wanted to embraces him. TBA was rocking for that last Vandy game and Martin got a ton of praise for the run the team went on.

In fact if he had just made it last year we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Pearl was a hard act to follow but I still think the majority of UT fans want to win. Martin doesn't have the personality of Pearl, but he also isn't a jerk like Green was. I firmly believe the UT fanbase would embrace a nice guy who wins.
 
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lostsheep said:
Accurate post...it hasn't fallen every year since CCM was hired.

However, saying the trend started while CBP was here is a bit misleading, IMO.

If I'm accurate, then in CBP's last year it fell by 216. In CCM's first year it fell by 2409...quite a bit of difference.

It will be interesting to see #'s for this season, and for next...assuming he's retained.

Personally, I know of a lot of folks who purchased tix while CBP was here...some that had never been season ticket holders before.

Can't say I know of any who are wanting to purchase now. In fact, most I know were trying to give their tix away for most of this year's games.

Oh well...guess they're just not VFL's.
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So? I can say the same about football season ticket holders. I know many that didn't get new tickets last year and some that couldn't give some away this year, and they didn't rush back to get tickets for next season.

Also in case you didn't notice, attendance across the SEC was pretty terrible this year, and there's been widespread reports of how sports attendance in general has been dropping. The NFL almost had to blackout 3 playoff games.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I still say there's about 8 or so games that would totally have Martin in a different light. Had he made the NCAAT the last 2 years, we wouldn't be even talking about his job. I mean I'm sure there would be a minority still crowing about Pearl, but the end of his first year especially everyone wanted to embraces him. TBA was rocking for that last Vandy game and Martin got a ton of praise for the run the team went on.

In fact if he had just made it last year we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Pearl was a hard act to follow but I still think the majority of UT fans want to win. Martin doesn't have the personality of Pearl, but he also isn't a jerk like Green was. I firmly believe the UT fanbase would embrace a nice guy who wins.
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I understand your sediments exactly. I don't know why we have not been to the tournament since Martin's arrival. 1st or 2nd. My only explanations or self justifications have been that maybe the bad losses outweighed it all or that because of the Pearl issues and the NCAA investigation that it tainted the program for several years. I know it is ridiculous.

This years bubble talk has been completely driven by the media I believe, but again there are 3 bad loses that are out there.

This is what scares me the most about Martin is that he cannot shed those and he cannot then we are going to find ourselves in this position every year.

When you don't make the tournament, then recruiting dies and you get the picture.
 
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The reason for the significant drop in attendance (2,500-3,000) the last 3 years is the product on the floor and lack of promotion. Not because it was falling slightly before Pearl left.
 
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Orange Bison said:
The reason for the significant drop in attendance (2,500-3,000) the last 3 years is the product on the floor and lack of promotion. Not because it was falling slightly before Pearl left.
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Agree with that also. 2 NIT loses at home did not help either.
 
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Orange Bison said:
The reason for the significant drop in attendance (2,500-3,000) the last 3 years is the product on the floor and lack of promotion. Not because it was falling slightly before Pearl left.
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Pearl left and it dropped more. That was probably going to happen regardless because of the cloud hanging over the program. The product on the floor for Martin's first season was not bad considering where it started and what was projected. It even went up the following season so the numbers do not back your argument
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So? I can say the same about football season ticket holders. I know many that didn't get new tickets last year and some that couldn't give some away this year, and they didn't rush back to get tickets for next season.

Also in case you didn't notice, attendance across the SEC was pretty terrible this year, and there's been widespread reports of how sports attendance in general has been dropping. The NFL almost had to blackout 3 playoff games.
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Football's situation isn't apples to apples.

Many didn't take the season ticket plunge because they are taking a 'wait and see' approach with CBJ.

Many aren't buying bball season tix now and many are giving them away because they've waited and seen enough of CCM to know he's mediocre.

I look for Arby's to soon restart the same promotion they did with the Lady Vols several years ago...buy a roast beef sandwich and get 2 bball tix. At least you'll get a good sandwich out of the deal.
 
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