Pete Thamel on Currie/Jones

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Currie is a hadline pragmatist.

That's a concept that's foreign to most of the posters on here.
 
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The problem for Currie is look how many AD's Tennessee has went through with bad decision making. This decision may be the hardest for him considering the fanbase is already asking for a replacement for Butch. The longer Currie waits Tennessee will lose more highly ranked recruits. That's not to mention that there will be other teams looking for new coaches so the market might be extremely limited. If he waits he better hope there is a golden god waiting to come in and save the program or he might be the next on the hot seat.
 
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In the end, no matter when Butch gets canned, we better have a plan in place to hire a proven coach. If we have to wait 3-5 more weeks to get that plan in place and get everyone on board with that plan, then so be it. The key is making a splash hire that wants to be here and understands what is at stake. If we do this, everything will line back in place, including our recruiting. What can’t happen, is we can’t fire Butch and then wait two months to hire a coach. Currie is in a great place to go find a coach while Butch continues to “coach”. So, I fully expect us to hire a coach within a few weeks of Butch being fired if Butch is canned later on in the season, say mid to late Nov.
 
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1TheCoach1 said:
Confidence in the guy who stabbed Fulmer in the back? That was pretty reactionary to me.
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I'm sorry, but I don't remember Currie ever being our AD.

If that's the case, that an assistant makes the call, we should be talking about whoever Currie's assistant is, and how HE better make the right call, because Currie is a pawn.

I don't care what role Currie had in anything in the past. I care about what he does in this hire, today and now. And his legacy at UT will not be based on a secondary role he MAY or MAY NOT have had in the firing of a coach that by multiple accounts had gotten lazy and had allowed the program to go downhill.

His legacy and job will be based upon how the football program at UT is down. This hire is massive. He is not going to go about it on a whim.
 
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KeyVol14 said:
If we fire him at the end of the season early signing period will spell disaster
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Yep new year with new recruiting rules. Signing now in December so has to happen quicker. Can't wait till end of the season or we may lose them all.

:thud:

Tennesseeduke
 
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I've looked at this from many different angles and it still comes down to firing Butch and in my mind the best time to do this for the betterment of the entire football program is to do it after the Alabama game...jus' sayin'...guess we'll see what actually happens, so...

GO VOLS!
 
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orange parmejohn said:
The longer Curry waits, the harder he will make it for the incoming coach to build a solid recruiting class. Even if he can't officially hire him until the season ends, if an acting coach, our committs will have a good idea of who will be coaching them. I believe information is always given where needed.
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There are two candidates that can be legitimately interviewed right now. Outside of them, no one is going to be meeting with Currie any earlier than other potential vacancies. I do believe a break with Butch solidifies footing with uncertain commits. Clean break.
 
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KeyVol14 said:
so we had decommits this weekend occur and news flash this was not the last loss of the season as long as butch is coach...therefore more decommits is gonna follow. Also if recruits have any speculation as to whether he will be fired or not, thats not gonna do them any favors because they wanna know who they coach is gonna be next year. If you fire him now yea of course there will be some decommits as it is but I would bet there would be alot less if you were to name your replacement as soon as possible rather than wait out the year
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Recruits know that Jones is out and don’t want to olay for a loser.. an elite coach would have recruits flocking
 
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LA vol7 said:
I agree that I'd like to have Butch gone today, and the best coach come in tomorrow, the second coming of Nick Saban. That probably isn't possible. The best possible coach for UT is not sitting under a share tree somewhere, he is coaching. Having said that, he won't be available until at the earliest the first of December. Will the recruiting class suffer. Yes, but I'd rather have a guy for the nest 15 years, as opposed to getting just anyone to save, or not save this class. JMO
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No one is likely to ever coach here 15 years. Unless an alum gets the job whomever is hired will either be fired after 3-5 years or should they be successful take the first offer at an easier place to coach and recruit
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Yep new year with new recruiting rules. Signing now in December so has to happen quicker. Can't wait till end of the season or we may lose them all.

:thud:

Tennesseeduke
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Disagree.

People need to stop thinking about this recruiting class only.

Butch had Top 10 classes almost his entire time here. Look where we are.

If you hire a guy who gets the right players and who is a winner, then the recruiting class will be fine.

If you think anyone is gonna sign here in the early signing period, you're crazy. And if you think they announce a coach before this season is over, you're also crazy. It just wouldn't happen.

If we name a coach after our last game, he'd have a month to evaluate recruits, and of course, depending on who he is, will be able to get some.

But if this class has been recruited to play in Butch's offense? Then heck, I'm not sure I want any of them to sign.

Get the right coach. The rest will fall into place. We used to say "well, if we could only recruit better."

Then we hired Butch and we did. And we now need to realize that recruiting isn't everything. Syracuse just beat Clemson. We need a coach who can COACH. Who can develop players. And yes, recruiting IS important. But not so important that we need to rush into whatever just to save a single class.

Focus on the right hire, make it as soon as you can, and then let him handle business his way.
 
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Biopsyman said:
The fan base want the hammer to drop now... the fans would be so excited and hope would rise
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The MAJORITY of the fan base isn’t represented on Volnation. Hard to believe , I know. The damage done by not only publicly villifying Jones as is seen here and on other boards and talk radio is pretty severe in regard to hiring a decent man and coach after this is over. Firing Jones mid season would make the damage y’all are already doing worse. It doesn’t take a genius to see where the program is. Currie sees it better than you. Let it be. If Jones were boozing with coeds, wrecking “loaner cars” after boozing with coeds and recruiting criminals that didn’t show up for class, then he should be fired now. While it appears this level of the game is above Jones, that doesn’t give you the right to slander him all over the inter webs. He’s giving it everything he has. It appears to be more than he can handle. Try for a second to be mature, stable and responsible and give Currie the space and time to handle this professionally.
 
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gule said:
Fulmer stabbed JM in the back first. Karma!
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Fulmer did not stab Majors in the back. Majors challenged the AD, his boss, with a my way or the highway threat. The boss, Doug Dickey told him to take the highway. He had Fulmer to fall back on to take over the program. So your rumour is pretty much bs.
 
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BHAMVOLFAN said:
Fulmer did not stab Majors in the back. Majors challenged the AD, his boss, with a my way or the highway threat. The boss, Doug Dickey told him to take the highway. He had Fulmer to fall back on to take over the program. So your rumour is pretty much bs.
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Majors alleged in a (very uncomfortable) halftime interview that Fulmer worked behind his back networking with Dickey, asserting team mutiny if Majors kept his job. Maybe bs maybe true. None of us will ever KNOW.
 
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butchna said:
Majors alleged in a (very uncomfortable) halftime interview that Fulmer worked behind his back networking with Dickey, asserting team mutiny if Majors kept his job. Maybe bs maybe true. None of us will ever KNOW.
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Have you ever seen Majors out in public or heard him speak in a public meeting. He's bat crap crazy and probably thinks the Russians were involved in getting him fired too.

Too many people are on this board who remember what really happened. Majors cut his own throat in that deal.
 
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Don't you dare post this in the Gruden thread OP.

The internet would combust.
 
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Biopsyman said:
The opposite would happen..
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Exactly. Kids that are coming because Tennessee is Tennessee or seeking early playing time are coming no matter who the coach is unless we keep CBJ. I can see kids bailing out pretty quick if they think he's going to get another season. UT being UT having a season like we have had so far is unacceptable, he has to go.
 
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Backwards K said:
Have you ever seen Majors out in public or heard him speak in a public meeting. He's bat crap crazy and probably thinks the Russians were involved in getting him fired too.

Too many people are on this board who remember what really happened. Majors cut his own throat in that deal.
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I had as much access as anybody on this board. Watching it in the dayroom at Kirtland AFB in NM. :) Had the same impression and the same amount of KNOWLEDGE. I think Majors tried to strongarm for more money, ticker went bad, while he was recovering Fulmer coached the team at a higher level with resounding success, Majors rushed back in a panic and the team suffered as he tried to reestablish his authority. All that could be true AND his allegations also. The road to success isn’t always sweet and rosy and the knives sometimes need to be wiped clean. :wink2:
 
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I remain convinced that Jones is walking dead. It is just a matter of timing. Currie won't go public with an announcement to can his useless arse until the i's are dotted and the t's crossed for a replacement. It is close ... very close!
 
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butchna said:
I had as much access as anybody on this board. Watching it in the dayroom at Kirtland AFB in NM. :) Had the same impression and the same amount of KNOWLEDGE. I think Majors tried to strongarm for more money, ticker went bad, while he was recovering Fulmer coached the team at a higher level with resounding success, Majors rushed back in a panic and the team suffered as he tried to reestablish his authority. All that could be true AND his allegations also. The road to success isn’t always sweet and rosy and the knives sometimes need to be wiped clean. :wink2:
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You heard Majors' version.
You've seen the official version.
The truth is closer to the official version. Majors challenged Dickey. He said he wanted a raise and wanted it now. Dickey told him that there was a salary freeze for academic employees and it would not be fair to them if Majors got a raise. Majors pointed to basketball where Houston got a raise the year before. He said if he didn't get a raise he would quit. Dickey stood up. shook his hand, told him he hated to see him leave, and announced the resignation! FACT
 
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