Pete Thamel on Currie/Jones

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I agree with Thamel on CBJ here. I'm not previously familiar with Thamel. His knowledge of Currie exceeds mine but his words are encouraging from the standpoint of looking at the Tennessee football program over the next several years.

The section on Tennessee:

"2) Tennessee athletic director John Currie would best be described as a hardline pragmatist. Currie is the opposite of emotional or reactionary. Put it this way: Currie wouldn't have hired Bill Stewart after winning the Fiesta Bowl as an interim coach as West Virginia administrators once did.

So the weekly predictions that Tennessee will fire Butch Jones soon after emotional losses or listless victories are really just knee-jerk fodder and clickbait. Currie wanted nothing more than Jones to succeed upon arriving in Knoxville, and it would go strongly against Currie's nature to execute a mid-season firing.

That said, Jones' tenure at Tennessee can now be reduced to a timing issue. It's going to happen, but not likely until deep into the season or immediately after it ends. The Vols lost 15-9 to South Carolina on Saturday to fall to 0-3 in the SEC. It marked their second loss this season on the final play of a game.

Tennessee didn't score a touchdown for the second consecutive week, as Jones' inability to find a competent offensive coordinator will go down as one of his biggest failures in Knoxville.

Tennessee's SEC losses clearly illustrate Jones' failings. The last-second losses to Florida and South Carolina reinforce the notion that Jones struggles in-game on the sideline. (Tennessee blundered the clock on its final possession, failing to spike the ball and wasting seven seconds). The Georgia game reminded Tennessee fans just how far they are from contending in the SEC East, never mind the league.

There's little advantage to firing Jones now. Currie spent his final years as Kansas State's athletic director preparing to someday replace Bill Snyder, a common-sense approach when your coach is in his 70s. Few athletic directors have worked harder over the years networking with up-and-coming coaches, getting to know established ones and generally navigating the intricate football coaching market. The aura of mystery that's surrounded the end of Snyder's tenure at Kansas State forced Currie to have a real-time understanding of the nuances of the coach hiring space. In other words, Currie is as prepared to hire a new coach as any athletic director and won't be starting from scratch.

After Tennessee gets blown out at No. 1 Alabama on Saturday to fall to 0-4 in the SEC, don't expect Currie to react. The end is coming for Jones, just not as fast as some may like."

The full article on yahoo sports here:

10 Takeaways: Pac-12 the biggest loser in a day of college football chaos

The take-away, I would say, is to keep a cool head. Support the team. Treat CBJ with some degree of respect as his time here is winding down and have confidence in Currie selecting a good replacement.

CBJ likes to talk about 1% better. And I think he really improved the program for the first 3 years - something I'm thankful for - but I dont think we are even 1% better since the 2015 season. I think we reached the plateau phase of CBJ's tenure two years ago. I think Currie knows it and hopefully we can get back to national relevance by the end of the 2019 season. Hopefully.

After all, this program has a lot of resiliency...
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I agree with Thamel on CBJ here. I'm not previously familiar with Thamel. His knowledge of Currie exceeds mine but his words are encouraging from the standpoint of looking at the Tennessee football program over the next several years.

The section on Tennessee:

"2) Tennessee athletic director John Currie would best be described as a hardline pragmatist. Currie is the opposite of emotional or reactionary. Put it this way: Currie wouldn't have hired Bill Stewart after winning the Fiesta Bowl as an interim coach as West Virginia administrators once did.

So the weekly predictions that Tennessee will fire Butch Jones soon after emotional losses or listless victories are really just knee-jerk fodder and clickbait. Currie wanted nothing more than Jones to succeed upon arriving in Knoxville, and it would go strongly against Currie's nature to execute a mid-season firing.

That said, Jones' tenure at Tennessee can now be reduced to a timing issue. It's going to happen, but not likely until deep into the season or immediately after it ends. The Vols lost 15-9 to South Carolina on Saturday to fall to 0-3 in the SEC. It marked their second loss this season on the final play of a game.

Tennessee didn't score a touchdown for the second consecutive week, as Jones' inability to find a competent offensive coordinator will go down as one of his biggest failures in Knoxville.

Tennessee's SEC losses clearly illustrate Jones' failings. The last-second losses to Florida and South Carolina reinforce the notion that Jones struggles in-game on the sideline. (Tennessee blundered the clock on its final possession, failing to spike the ball and wasting seven seconds). The Georgia game reminded Tennessee fans just how far they are from contending in the SEC East, never mind the league.

There's little advantage to firing Jones now. Currie spent his final years as Kansas State's athletic director preparing to someday replace Bill Snyder, a common-sense approach when your coach is in his 70s. Few athletic directors have worked harder over the years networking with up-and-coming coaches, getting to know established ones and generally navigating the intricate football coaching market. The aura of mystery that's surrounded the end of Snyder's tenure at Kansas State forced Currie to have a real-time understanding of the nuances of the coach hiring space. In other words, Currie is as prepared to hire a new coach as any athletic director and won't be starting from scratch.

After Tennessee gets blown out at No. 1 Alabama on Saturday to fall to 0-4 in the SEC, don't expect Currie to react. The end is coming for Jones, just not as fast as some may like."

The full article on yahoo sports here:

10 Takeaways: Pac-12 the biggest loser in a day of college football chaos

The take-away, I would say, is to keep a cool head. Support the team. Treat CBJ with some degree of respect as his time here is winding down and have confidence in Currie selecting a good replacement.

CBJ likes to talk about 1% better. And I think he really improved the program for the first 3 years - something I'm thankful for - but I dont think we are even 1% better since the 2015 season. I think we reached the plateau phase of CBJ's tenure two years ago. I think Currie knows it and hopefully we can get back to national relevance by the end of the 2019 season. Hopefully.

After all, this program has a lot of resiliency...
:)

If we fire him at the end of the season early signing period will spell disaster
 
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The longer Curry waits, the harder he will make it for the incoming coach to build a solid recruiting class. Even if he can't officially hire him until the season ends, if an acting coach, our committs will have a good idea of who will be coaching them. I believe information is always given where needed.
 
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To say it makes no sense to fire Butch now shows there is no understanding of the current situation. Butch's press conferences are just sound bites for the national media to make fun of us beside infuriating the fans with his ignorant talk. Also the difference now is early signing in December. You must be recruiting now as much as you can. Even if you are have to wait to hire the guy you want there are some things that can be done to hold onto the commitments you already have. You cannot do that with Butch.
 
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When you say he'd have wanted nothing more than for jones to be successful...I'm not so sure. An ads legacy is made based on the coaching decisions they make. There has to be some part of him that knows he'd have never really gotten credit for a successful tenure if he never got the chance to bring in his own coach and watch them succeed. Deep down it's got to be something he's exciting about. Now maybe he didn't plan on doing that in year one.
 
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If they don't fire him before the next home game they might need to bust out the tarps for the upper deck.
 
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To say it makes no sense to fire Butch now shows there is no understanding of the current situation. Butch's press conferences are just sound bites for the national media to make fun of us beside infuriating the fans with his ignorant talk. Also the difference now is early signing in December. You must be recruiting now as much as you can. Even if you are have to wait to hire the guy you want there are some things that can be done to hold onto the commitments you already have. You cannot do that with Butch.

Very well said. Thinking to ride out the season and evaluate then, does no more than let the program slide even further.
 
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Soooo...we are going to wait until other teams are searching for coaches as well? Riley@Nebraska is done, Gus Malzan@ Auburn is doing himself no favors, Kevin Sumlin name is always brought up when we talk about firings, I am betting Mizzou will be lookin soon as well. WTF are we doing?
 
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The longer Curry waits, the harder he will make it for the incoming coach to build a solid recruiting class. Even if he can't officially hire him until the season ends, if an acting coach, our committs will have a good idea of who will be coaching them. I believe information is always given where needed.

Agree. Early signing period changes how these decisions are made
 
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...as Jones' inability to find a competent offensive coordinator will go down as one of his biggest failures in Knoxville...

I submit that he cannot find a coordinator that he will allow to coordinate. Previous OCs have found success at other schools and the current OC did a good job at Miami. Jones is so damned stubborn and arrogant that he insists on "his" offense at all costs.
 
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If we fire him at the end of the season early signing period will spell disaster

I agree that I'd like to have Butch gone today, and the best coach come in tomorrow, the second coming of Nick Saban. That probably isn't possible. The best possible coach for UT is not sitting under a share tree somewhere, he is coaching. Having said that, he won't be available until at the earliest the first of December. Will the recruiting class suffer. Yes, but I'd rather have a guy for the nest 15 years, as opposed to getting just anyone to save, or not save this class. JMO
 
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The opposite would happen..

so we had decommits this weekend occur and news flash this was not the last loss of the season as long as butch is coach...therefore more decommits is gonna follow. Also if recruits have any speculation as to whether he will be fired or not, thats not gonna do them any favors because they wanna know who they coach is gonna be next year. If you fire him now yea of course there will be some decommits as it is but I would bet there would be alot less if you were to name your replacement as soon as possible rather than wait out the year
 
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Yea, let's just blow up an entire recruiting class by keeping him. Makes sense. Pete Thamel also said the penalties leveled on Penn St would decimate them for a decade. Pete Thamel is also the one who botched the Manti T'eo's dead girlfriend story.
 
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The new variable in the equation of hiring/firing coaches is the early signing period. Waiting till end of season will only leave a few weeks for the new coaching staff to put together a class and that's if they get hired right away.
 
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It wouldn't be an emotional decision, though.

You would want a mid season firing for a number of reasons.

A head start at blue chip coaches, and for all the recruits to know who the head coach will be well before NSD for starters.

Emotional would have been firing Butch Jones in the tunnel yesterday. Firing him tomorrow is not a knee jerk reaction.
 
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Yea, let's just blow up an entire recruiting class by keeping him. Makes sense. Pete Thamel also said the penalties leveled on Penn St would decimate them for a decade. Pete Thamel is also the one who botched the Manti T'eo's dead girlfriend story.

Correct on the Teo story, Pete should never live that down. However when it comes to PSU, don’t forget the NCAA rolled back the sanctions after two years. If they had been left in place for the original period of four years, Penn State would be a dumpster fire right now.
 
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If we fire him at the end of the season early signing period will spell disaster

Honestly. The early signing period could spell disaster anyways. Smart kids are going to wait things out anyways. Only those that are 100% sure are gonna sign early.

As I said in another thread, screw this recruiting class. We have had top 10-15 classes the past four years, and it has gotten us NOTHING. Would I rather get the right coach and have a Top 30 class? You bet your right nut I would.

One recruiting class won't make or break a program. But hiring the wrong coach because you're trying to sign the wrong coach quickly and save the signatures of a few high schoolers who are eager to sign when they haven't been properly evaluated by a new staff or what not?

The early signing day will NOT favor any team whose coach is in trouble. Doesn't matter when we fire Butch.
 
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If they don't fire him before the next home game they might need to bust out the tarps for the upper deck.

No they won’t. People are still dumb enough to show up. No reason that the crowd should have been that big yesterday, but people showed up.
 
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No they won’t. People are still dumb enough to show up. No reason that the crowd should have been that big yesterday, but people showed up.

They showed up because Jones sold everyone the JG starting juice all week. He is a salesman. He has been selling bs his entire time as coach here.
 
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