Periscope Depth

[GroverCleveland]

No disrespect to your brother, but the C-2 Greyhound is slower than the P-3 Orion. Just sayin’…

Think he was going for effect, not technical accuracy.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Yeah, I got some time in a P-3 back in the late 80's. VP-16 out of Jax. Airedales are a different breed. They were great hosts, and I had a lot of fun. Got to talk w/the TACCO and sensor operators about how we (and the Soviets...back then) tried to avoid them, or evade them.

He was at Jax too, but not sure when. He was on the first P-3 that fired a Hellfire (I think, not 100% of the type) in the Pacific Fleet during exercises.

He is on here. @The General's Ghost .
Edit: it was not a Hellfire. Think he is going to correct me.

 

[The General's Ghost]

No disrespect to your brother, but the C-2 Greyhound is slower than the P-3 Orion. Just sayin’…

I got to do a cat shot in a COD as a contractor, so, yeah, P-3 is faster, but the Greyhound is quicker.

 

[The General's Ghost]

He was at Jax too, but not sure when. He was on the first P-3 that fired a Hellfire (I think, not 100% of the type) in the Pacific Fleet during exercises.

He is on here. @The General's Ghost .
Edit: it was not a Hellfire. Think he is going to correct me.

he is.
AGM 65. Fun day.

 

[The General's Ghost]

Yeah, I got some time in a P-3 back in the late 80's. VP-16 out of Jax. Airedales are a different breed. They were great hosts, and I had a lot of fun. Got to talk w/the TACCO and sensor operators about how we (and the Soviets...back then) tried to avoid them, or evade them.

Was that during or after the Yankee sank off Bermuda?

 

[The General's Ghost]

Up scope.

If I had to throw a Ben Franklin on the table, winner take all...

I'd say there are 1, maybe 2 FA's in the eastern Med, just in case we decide to throw some old indian war hatchets towards Iran. Not that we will, just that we can. And I'd wager that maybe...just maybe...that message made its' way to Tehran through diplomatic channels.

In other words, if you keep throwing things at Israel, we will start throwing things at you. Israel doesn't need our help here, but they'll sure take it.

Then again, I'm wrong a lot.

Down scope.

Hell, we spent all of that money on 726 and her three sisters, send them. Go big or go home!

 

[Tin Man]

I got to do a cat shot in a COD as a contractor, so, yeah, P-3 is faster, but the Greyhound is quicker.

My prior post was a bit of merry mischief. I still think it’s a bit curious to have named the C-2, “Greyhound.”

 

[The General's Ghost]

My prior post was a bit of merry mischief. I still think it’s a bit curious to have named the C-2, “Greyhound.”

Sounds like there is a story there that I've never heard....

 

[SubVet676]

Was that during or after the Yankee sank off Bermuda?

Before. When K219 went down, I don't remember where I was.

Edit: I said "late 80's", but thinking back, my P3 time came in '85, I think. Best I remember.

Down Scope.

 

[The General's Ghost]

Before. When K219 went down, I don't remember where I was.

Edit: I said "late 80's", but thinking back, my P3 time came in '85, I think. Best I remember.

Down Scope.

Did you spend most of your time on 637s?

 

[SubVet676]

Just FYI, on one of the training flights I went on, we had the USS Bonefish as the TOI. Spent about 6 hours playing with her. PD, shallow, deep. I remember making a joke with the guy who launches the sonobuoys from the reloadable tubes about how quiet a conventional submarine on battery is. I told him "When you get home, go raise the hood on your car and listen to the battery...that's how quiet she is." He got a hoot out of that.

And 3 years later, RM1(SS) Robert "Bob" Bordelon was one of the 3 who perished when she caught fire. I knew Bob from a tour at CSG-6 in Charleston. RIP, Brother. He was a good man, and a good sailor.

Down Scope.

 

[SubVet676]

Did you spend most of your time on 637s?

Nope, but that was by far the best sub I ever served on. 3 Boomers and 2 FA's. My years on the BillyBoat were the best. We didn't have an ESGN, so no 'Hawks. We carried torpedoes, Harpoons, and SEALS. No DDS, just lockout. Did a Harpoon SINKEX of of Puerto Rico during POMCERT , and sent the SEALS out for "liberty" somewhere over in the Med during a Med run in '92. Yes...I remember the Sara shooting the Turkish destroyer. Screwed us out of a scheduled port call in Antalya. Bright side, we went to Corfu instead. That's when I learned that there is a huuuge difference between the Ouzo you get here, and the real stuff.

 

[The General's Ghost]

Before. When K219 went down, I don't remember where I was.

Edit: I said "late 80's", but thinking back, my P3 time came in '85, I think. Best I remember.

Down Scope.

I knew some guys that flew events on that. I think the Soviet take on OSHA/QA was a 287 pound potato farmer drinking vodka and generally saying, "Da, eto khorosho. Pozhaluysta, ne strelyayte v menya."(Yes, it is good. Please don't shoot me.)

 

[The General's Ghost]

Just FYI, on one of the training flights I went on, we had the USS Bonefish as the TOI. Spent about 6 hours playing with her. PD, shallow, deep. I remember making a joke with the guy who launches the sonobuoys from the reloadable tubes about how quiet a conventional submarine on battery is. I told him "When you get home, go raise the hood on your car and listen to the battery...that's how quiet she is." He got a hoot out of that.

And 3 years later, RM1(SS) Robert "Bob" Bordelon was one of the 3 who perished when she caught fire. I knew Bob from a tour at CSG-6 in Charleston. RIP, Brother. He was a good man, and a good sailor.

Down Scope.

Sorry for the loss of your sbipmate.

I was an acoustic operator and to illustrate the point to us how quiet a diesel could be, our instructor told us to turn on a flashlight and listen to it.

 

[The General's Ghost]

Just FYI, on one of the training flights I went on, we had the USS Bonefish as the TOI. Spent about 6 hours playing with her. PD, shallow, deep. I remember making a joke with the guy who launches the sonobuoys from the reloadable tubes about how quiet a conventional submarine on battery is. I told him "When you get home, go raise the hood on your car and listen to the battery...that's how quiet she is." He got a hoot out of that.

And 3 years later, RM1(SS) Robert "Bob" Bordelon was one of the 3 who perished when she caught fire. I knew Bob from a tour at CSG-6 in Charleston. RIP, Brother. He was a good man, and a good sailor.

Down Scope.

Just read about Bonefish. Damn.

Most aviation mishaps are attributable to avoidable human factors somewhere in the chain of events. Subs.....well, a bad weld can kill 129 people without warning. So, my hat is off to the Silent Service.

 

[Orangeburst]

He was at Jax too, but not sure when. He was on the first P-3 that fired a Hellfire (I think, not 100% of the type) in the Pacific Fleet during exercises.

He is on here. @The General's Ghost .
Edit: it was not a Hellfire. Think he is going to correct me.

There are 2 of you?

 

[SubVet676]

Just read about Bonefish. Damn.

Most aviation mishaps are attributable to avoidable human factors somewhere in the chain of events. Subs.....well, a bad weld can kill 129 people without warning. So, my hat is off to the Silent Service.

Gotta run shortly. Sunday dinner at the M-I-L's house. I got lucky. She's a great one; and a helluva cook. Food coma imminent.

Yeah, so the investigation report, some of which is obviously classified, pointed the finger at a slow leak in the TDU. I'm familiar with that. Over time (years), the saltwater degraded the metal deck, and made its' way into the Battery Well. The result was a lost sub and 3 dead sailors (2 enlisted, 1 officer). The YN3 perished when he went back to the Ship's Office to retrieve the ring he intended to give his fiance' when they returned to port. It don't come any sadder that that.

There were a lot of lessons learned. One was that they changed the lens color of battle lanterns from red to amber. Amber light penetrates smoke better. Many others relating to maintenance and damage control. Most hard lessons...unfortunately...are learned the hard way.

Same as the Thresher. From her death came the SUBSAFE program.

Pop back up this evening. Until then...Down Scope.

 

[The General's Ghost]

Gotta run shortly. Sunday dinner at the M-I-L's house. I got lucky. She's a great one; and a helluva cook. Food coma imminent.

Yeah, so the investigation report, some of which is obviously classified, pointed the finger at a slow leak in the TDU. I'm familiar with that. Over time (years), the saltwater degraded the metal deck, and made its' way into the Battery Well. The result was a lost sub and 3 dead sailors (2 enlisted, 1 officer). The YN3 perished when he went back to the Ship's Office to retrieve the ring he intended to give his fiance' when they returned to port. It don't come any sadder that that.

There were a lot of lessons learned. One was that they changed the lens color of battle lanterns from red to amber. Amber light penetrates smoke better. Many others relating to maintenance and damage control. Most hard lessons...unfortunately...are learned the hard way.

Same as the Thresher. From her death came the SUBSAFE program.

Pop back up this evening. Until then...Down Scope.

Take care.

 

[Tin Man]

Sounds like there is a story there that I've never heard....

It’s a long story. I’ll try to abbreviate it here. My father flew for the USAAF in WWII and stayed in the USAF reserve until 1968. I wanted to follow in his footsteps, but while I was at UT in the 70s, Air Force recruiters told me there was no chance for me to get flight training. I took a test at the Knoxville recruiting office for the Navy. My score was the highest in the history of the office at the time. The recruiter, a former A7 pilot hounded me to sign up, but I wanted ACS, and he was pressing me to sign up for OCS. I bargained with him, telling him that if I entered ACS and didn’t get flight training, I’d complete the 7 year commitment in whatever capacity the Navy assigned me, and if I did get flight training, I’d fly anything, even the C-2 (the F-14 was the hot plane at the time). It was to no avail, and I finally told him that I wasn’t going to sign up for OCS just to become a bursar for 7 years. He relented in his recruitment of me, and my housemate was glad for the end of his unannounced 6:00am visits.

 

[Willy P]

So...been here a bit over a month. Good FanSite. Not a Vol grad, but an ET Native, and long time Vol fan. Figured I'd pop up to PD; take a look around; and transmit an initial SITREP.

- Good website. Best I've seen for Vol fans.
- Ton of members.
- Like the wide variety of topics and threads. Always something interesting to read here.
- Several posters in the sports forums that seem to be on the inside, or close to someone that is. Always good to have folks like that around.
- Mainly a FB fan, so that's where I spend the most time, but seems like all (big) UT sports are represented here, which is cool.
- Pub has something for everyone. What with me being an ardent practitioner of my 2A rights, I'm sure I can learn some things there.
- Politics forum is hilarious. I'm not senior enough to post there; don't really care if I ever am; but a lot of fun to watch the endless snowball fights. Especially entertaining when a moderator picks sides. That's when it gets really good. Like negotiating a minefield on a pogo stick.
- Memes are some of the best I've ever seen. Where do y'all find this stuff?

Can't wait to see what the FF does once the season starts. Probably everything from White / Heupel / Merk / Aguilar / (name the guy) is the best ever to why didn't we fire them 2 years ago? And everything in between. Oughta be fun to watch.

So...thanks for the info, and especially the laughs. Keep it up. Never a dull moment 'round here.

Down Scope...

Welcome to the forums - I love it here. Lots of great people.

I’m a fellow Submariner, Radio Chief. Thanks for your service and my hat’s off to you. Truly impressive the era of paper charts and manual plotting. Before GPS it was all triangulation and manual fixes - crazy stuff.

 

[SubVet676]

Welcome to the forums - I love it here. Lots of great people.

I’m a fellow Submariner, Radio Chief. Thanks for your service and my hat’s off to you. Truly impressive the era of paper charts and manual plotting. Before GPS it was all triangulation and manual fixes - crazy stuff.

Thanks for the WA. Gotta share this with you...

20 years; then a separate 2nd career (not much of a market for Submarine navigators out there...go figure); now on my 3rd and back in the professional maritime industry. Life is good. From time to time, I get questions about some of the "secret stuff" we did, so of course I like to have a bit of fun with it.

So a co-worker is asking me how we got messages while submerged. I walk over to a coastal chart of our AOR and call him over to me. I point to a place on the chart showing where a submarine cable is laid on the bottom. I tell him those are for us; we go find the nearest one; settle down on top of it; and then get our radio traffic. I told him that info was still probably classified, and to keep it to himself. He promised not to tell anyone else.

Within 48 hours I had half a dozen others ask me if it was true.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

Be weary of the end zone. Buncha nuts!

At first I was like

but then I was like

 

[SubVet676]

Up Scope.

Pro tip...if you're going to build a fortress, don't forget to put a roof on it.

Down Scope.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Wish I could give you more than 1 like for getting pocket presents correct. Too many pre Madonna types around here that don't!

They are all morans

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No disrespect to your brother, but the C-2 Greyhound is slower than the P-3 Orion. Just sayin’…

I flew Herks.


Checkmate.

I watched Crimson Tide the other day. I would love to watch it with a real submariner to hear the commentary. FWIW, When I was in my last C130 squadron, we were the guys that sent (one form of) that EAM that caused the whole kerfuffle in that movie. Gave me flashbacks.