Perhaps The Question Has Become, "Who Would Have Us?"

[All Vol!]

To a great extent I feel what was once an attractive destination for many coaches around the country, has become a toxic prospect. A marked institution. It didn't happen overnight, but the events of a single day sealed the deal. Clearly the swaths of this fan base that contributed greatly to the hanging of Greg Schiano, a man convicted of nothing, proven guilty of nothing, have not even a clue of the stain they have put on this program, this university, this state, by their shameful reaction to the prospect of Schiano coming here. If it was hard to get a great coach before, it's likely impossible now. Sure money talks, so does gross and self righteous indignation. You think men of honor, accomplishment and integrity would be proud to represent this fan base after what they've seen? Few if any.

Before Schiano the nation was watching this coaching search with fascination. Now they watch with disgust, and so do many coaches. We were once a program of proud tradition. Now I imagine most coaches liken coming here to swallowing poison, and honestly, I can't blame them.

I've been asking myself the past couple days what keeps me rooting for the Tennessee Volunteers. I still and always will cheer them on I think because of the memories of my childhood, the tradition of being a Vol being handed down from my father and older siblings, because of John Ward, the greatest game caller in the history of the sport. But I feel no real kinship with many of the "fans." I just don't anymore.

In a perfect world, I think we forget about searching for the perfect coach for a minute and see about replacing the fan base.

 

[marvin616]

Is this UT in the eyes of potential candidates?

 

[Max Headroom]

To a great extent I feel what was once an attractive destination for many coaches around the country, has become a toxic prospect. A marked institution. It didn't happen overnight, but the events of a single day sealed the deal. Clearly the swaths of this fan base that contributed greatly to the hanging of Greg Schiano, a man convicted of nothing, proven guilty of nothing, have not even a clue of the stain they have put on this program, this university, this state, by their shameful reaction to the prospect of Schiano coming here. If it was hard to get a great coach before, it's likely impossible now. Sure money talks, so does gross and self righteous indignation. You think men of honor, accomplishment and integrity would be proud to represent this fan base after what they've seen? Few if any.

Before Schiano the nation was watching this coaching search with fascination. Now they watch with disgust, and so do many coaches. We were once a program of proud tradition. Now I imagine most coaches liken coming here to swallowing poison, and honestly, I can't blame them.

I've been asking myself the past couple days what keeps me rooting for the Tennessee Volunteers. I still and always will cheer them on I think because of the memories of my childhood, the tradition of being a Vol being handed down from my father and older siblings, because of John Ward, the greatest game caller in the history of the sport. But I feel no real kinship with many of the "fans." I just don't anymore.

In a perfect world, I think we forget about searching for the perfect coach for a minute and see about replacing the fan base.

I'm guessing you're a fan of Schiano.

 

[TN_Transplant]

It's not the fans. It's the Haslam's and their idiot administration.

 

[Rickster]

I've been feeling the same way watching this travesty unfold. I don't believe any championship caliber coach will want to come here. Toxic is a good word to use. The fans on volnation don't seem to understand that money is probably not going to fix the problem. Long story short, the coaches that might be willing to take the job will probably not be wholeheartedly endorsed by the fan base and will probably be run out of town for not winning enough soon enough. It is a sad period for volunteer football.

 

[All Vol!]

I'm guessing you're a fan of Schiano.

I'm a fan of fairness.

 

[Max Headroom]

Toxic? Yes. But the fanbase is not the problem. The fanbase has only exposed the problem.

 

[JoAllan]

I'm a fan of fairness.

and the Vol fans were not treated with "fairness"

for 2 days it was like the world vs Vol fans.......and the "world" was totally trashing ALL Vol fans......when in reality if was only a few by comparison that did anything which could be considered wrong.

Some fans took to social media trashing Greg, and a few held signs trashing him..........out of what, 500,000 Vol fans. Yet every Vol fan was made out to be the devil.

where is the fairness.........really?

 

[GRN1926]

To a great extent I feel what was once an attractive destination for many coaches around the country, has become a toxic prospect. A marked institution. It didn't happen overnight, but the events of a single day sealed the deal. Clearly the swaths of this fan base that contributed greatly to the hanging of Greg Schiano, a man convicted of nothing, proven guilty of nothing, have not even a clue of the stain they have put on this program, this university, this state, by their shameful reaction to the prospect of Schiano coming here. If it was hard to get a great coach before, it's likely impossible now. Sure money talks, so does gross and self righteous indignation. You think men of honor, accomplishment and integrity would be proud to represent this fan base after what they've seen? Few if any.

Before Schiano the nation was watching this coaching search with fascination. Now they watch with disgust, and so do many coaches. We were once a program of proud tradition. Now I imagine most coaches liken coming here to swallowing poison, and honestly, I can't blame them.

I've been asking myself the past couple days what keeps me rooting for the Tennessee Volunteers. I still and always will cheer them on I think because of the memories of my childhood, the tradition of being a Vol being handed down from my father and older siblings, because of John Ward, the greatest game caller in the history of the sport. But I feel no real kinship with many of the "fans." I just don't anymore.

In a perfect world, I think we forget about searching for the perfect coach for a minute and see about replacing the fan base.

A testimony was given UNDER OATH that stated Schiano knew about Sandusky. If that person was lying then he could be put in prison on the charge of perjury. That is a BIG DEAL. So explain to me how that has no relevance.

Next. EVERY person and media member in the country dogged Briles and said he should never work again yet not one time has he been named in any testimony in that case. Explain the hypocrisy on this.

You are ignorant and know nothing about what you speak,. You come here to rail the fabase with information spoon fed to you by media member that also have done no research. So, if you are embarrassed by this fanbase then GFTO, we don't need or want losers like you around us.

 

[daaangjimmy]

I agree. I don’t have anything personal against any of you guys on here, as you can see by the post count a majority of my time is spent reading and observing.

Perhaps maybe we are to open or passionate. I don’t know, but I don’t feel like we are going to make it to the promise land anytime soon.

Tennessee Football is just not the same, the next several years are going to be rough.

Our reputation is tarnished and not even 7 million dollars a year will bring some here. Think about how crazy that sounds

 

[GRN1926]

I've been feeling the same way watching this travesty unfold. I don't believe any championship caliber coach will want to come here. Toxic is a good word to use. The fans on volnation don't seem to understand that money is probably not going to fix the problem. Long story short, the coaches that might be willing to take the job will probably not be wholeheartedly endorsed by the fan base and will probably be run out of town for not winning enough soon enough. It is a sad period for volunteer football.

You are correct, money wont fix this problem. What happened Sunday was the boiling point of something that has been building for over 10yrs now. You and the people that rail the fanbase and act like its the fans fault are laughable.

1. You are giving too much credit to the fans. Major boosters nixed this deal, not the fans.
2. This fanbase, that is apparently the problem, has packed that 100k+ stadium out each week for 10yrs of the worst football in school history. TN has more support than other programs that are actually winning championships do. Is that what a terrible fanbase looks like?
3. Along with no.2, this great fanbase has supported TN to the point is one of the top schools in the country in revenues.
4. Why are the fans not allowed to have a say in who represents the school? We are the customers and have faithfully and diligently supported the program and the leaderships bad decisions or 15yrs now. Rising up against oppression, and TN fans have been oppressed, is not just a distinctly American action but something that is done all around the world on a daily basis. It is what founded this country. Sometimes change is hard and ugly but it is what TN needs because what has been going on can not continue, not if TN ever wants to successful program again anyways

 

[Max Headroom]

I'm a fan of fairness.

As am I. This is about more than the PSU thing. This is about a promised big hire after 10+ years of mediocrity. Everyone was lied to and then the rug nearly pulled out at the 11th hour. We're sick of it. GS has more baggage than just the PSU thing. I'm sure you're aware of that and that it can't be discounted. He is persona non grata in the nfl because everyone hates him. This is the wrong hill for you to die on.

 

[TruVolFann]

I'm a fan of fairness.

Why this post now not Sunday? Gundy? Fla didn't get that far with him. I didn't participate Sunday but wasn't the fans believe me UT gives a rats a$$ what fans think.
More like pressure from state representatives, which that may have started from the fans, as well as boosters who were roshambo'd
I'm just saying blame lies with all of UT
From one who wasn't involved it is what it is
No point crying over spilled milk
Whining on message boards
If you played football you would've heard
Overcoming Adversity
This is yet another obstacle to overcome on our journey
As we strive greatness.

 

[GRN1926]

I agree. I don’t have anything personal against any of you guys on here, as you can see by the post count a majority of my time is spent reading and observing.

Perhaps maybe we are to open or passionate. I don’t know, but I don’t feel like we are going to make it to the promise land anytime soon.

Tennessee Football is just not the same, the next several years are going to be rough.

Our reputation is tarnished and not even 7 million dollars a year will bring some here. Think about how crazy that sounds

There are serious problems at TN, not just in athletics but also on the academics side. Change is not easy. Sometimes it can get ugly, especially when it is a high stakes game and the people that are in power do not want to relinquish it. If things are to get change for the better of the university then expect it to get even uglier but it will be for the best interests of everyone long-term

 

[daaangjimmy]

There are serious problems at TN, not just in athletics but also on the academics side. Change is not easy. Sometimes it can get ugly, especially when it is a high stakes game and the people that are in power do not want to relinquish it. If things are to get change for the better of the university then expect it to get even uglier but it will be for the best interests of everyone long-term

I know, but it’s just surreal to believe the University of Tennessee is not the face or big brother in Tennessee in regards to athletics. Look at our campus, our facilities, the University. Take Currie’s mismanagement away, would any big time name want to come here? Is this place not what we think it is? (One of The best atmosphere in all of College Football, the pride, the tradition)

 

[1725gatorhater]

I will make it short
1. Ask Petersen at 7-10 million and I he says no
2. Kiffin and For 3 million and OC Tee double his salary and DC Kevin Steele
3. Tee Martin and bunch of VFL coaching

 

[TuxedoVol]

On night shift this week and have a break, so lurking around. I posted this in another thread and it seems apropos here as well. I found it on TOS and copied because it is so good.

What happened Sunday was unlike anything I have ever experienced. Social Media has changed society for sure. But the following gave me a perspective I could relate to. Who knows how all this will turn out, very possibly not good for a long while. But I get what happened better now. And will still be a VOL fan going forward.

I know it is long, but great read. And IT WAS WRITTEN BY A GATOR FAN.


"I get it. This wasn't about a singular event. This wasn't only about Schiano and Penn State.
It was about Kiffin. It was about Dooley. It was about Jones.
But, it was also about Pearl, Cuonzo and Tyndall.
It was about Delmonico, Raleigh and Serrano.
It was about the tragic end of the Pat Summit era and watching that program slowly be just another SEC team under Holly. A good team for sure, but not what once was.
It was about an athletic program that arguably is currently inferior to Vanderbilt.
It was about finishing 13th overall in the SEC men's all-sports standings for 2016-17. It's about not producing a men's SEC championship team since 2011 men's tennis.
It was about an athletic program that has failed and disappointed time and again. And through it all, people continued to cheer, support, travel, pay and hope.....only to be lied to, let down, and forced to endure.
But, this time would be different. The President of the school changed. The athletic director changed. All of the past failure was well documented. It could not be repeated. It would not be repeated. This time it was going to be different.
And then it wasn't.
And the people, who only have their voices, stood up and said "hell no". As many have pointed out, it united this fan base like nothing else in a decade. Everyone agreed. Everyone had enough. "Hell no". In a matter of a few hours, the push back was so strong that those in power had no choice but to listen.
I know that Tennessee fans are catching hell in some places, but I can only put myself in your shoes and say "I get it"."

 

[golf437]

It's not the fans. It's the Haslam's and their idiot administration.

You are wrong. It is fans and the administration.

 

[Max Headroom]

On night shift this week and have a break, so lurking around. I posted this in another thread and it seems apropos here as well. I found it on TOS and copied because it is so good.

What happened Sunday was unlike anything I have ever experienced. Social Media has changed society for sure. But the following gave me a perspective I could relate to. Who knows how all this will turn out, very possibly not good for a long while. But I get what happened better now. And will still be a VOL fan going forward.

I know it is long, but great read. And IT WAS WRITTEN BY A GATOR FAN.

"I get it. This wasn't about a singular event. This wasn't only about Schiano and Penn State.
It was about Kiffin. It was about Dooley. It was about Jones.
But, it was also about Pearl, Cuonzo and Tyndall.
It was about Delmonico, Raleigh and Serrano.
It was about the tragic end of the Pat Summit era and watching that program slowly be just another SEC team under Holly. A good team for sure, but not what once was.
It was about an athletic program that arguably is currently inferior to Vanderbilt.
It was about finishing 13th overall in the SEC men's all-sports standings for 2016-17. It's about not producing a men's SEC championship team since 2011 men's tennis.
It was about an athletic program that has failed and disappointed time and again. And through it all, people continued to cheer, support, travel, pay and hope.....only to be lied to, let down, and forced to endure.
But, this time would be different. The President of the school changed. The athletic director changed. All of the past failure was well documented. It could not be repeated. It would not be repeated. This time it was going to be different.
And then it wasn't.
And the people, who only have their voices, stood up and said "hell no". As many have pointed out, it united this fan base like nothing else in a decade. Everyone agreed. Everyone had enough. "Hell no". In a matter of a few hours, the push back was so strong that those in power had no choice but to listen.
I know that Tennessee fans are catching hell in some places, but I can only put myself in your shoes and say "I get it"."

Absolutely the best thing I've read all month.

 

[volnpowell]

To a great extent I feel what was once an attractive destination for many coaches around the country, has become a toxic prospect. A marked institution. It didn't happen overnight, but the events of a single day sealed the deal. Clearly the swaths of this fan base that contributed greatly to the hanging of Greg Schiano, a man convicted of nothing, proven guilty of nothing, have not even a clue of the stain they have put on this program, this university, this state, by their shameful reaction to the prospect of Schiano coming here. If it was hard to get a great coach before, it's likely impossible now. Sure money talks, so does gross and self righteous indignation. You think men of honor, accomplishment and integrity would be proud to represent this fan base after what they've seen? Few if any.

Before Schiano the nation was watching this coaching search with fascination. Now they watch with disgust, and so do many coaches. We were once a program of proud tradition. Now I imagine most coaches liken coming here to swallowing poison, and honestly, I can't blame them.

I've been asking myself the past couple days what keeps me rooting for the Tennessee Volunteers. I still and always will cheer them on I think because of the memories of my childhood, the tradition of being a Vol being handed down from my father and older siblings, because of John Ward, the greatest game caller in the history of the sport. But I feel no real kinship with many of the "fans." I just don't anymore.

In a perfect world, I think we forget about searching for the perfect coach for a minute and see about replacing the fan base.

Even if take Sandusky issue off table, he never should have been a candidate!!!

So yes some including myself were mad they once again played small ball despite the importance of this hire!!
Quit blaming fans for what has been and still is administration problem!!!

 

[DiderotsGhost]

We're not a "marked institution." This is still a top 10 job with one exception ... we have the worst Athletic Department in the country. We have to fire Currie and stop taking Haslam money. I know it's painful, but Haslam has run this program into the ground just like he has the Cleveland Browns.

 

[kayakonthefly]

We're not a "marked institution." This is still a top 10 job with one exception ... we have the worst Athletic Department in the country. We have to fire Currie and stop taking Haslam money. I know it's painful, but Haslam has run this program into the ground just like he has the Cleveland Browns.

Until that changes, the original question posted by the op is correct.

 

[Evergrenevol]

I'm guessing you're a fan of Schiano.

Thanks for removing any doubt about the stupidity of a certain segment of those who consider themselves fans.

 

[Evergrenevol]

It's not the fans. It's the Haslam's and their idiot administration.

Thanks for removing any doubt about the stupidity of a certain segment of those who consider themselves fans.

 

[Tallman]

To a great extent I feel what was once an attractive destination for many coaches around the country, has become a toxic prospect. A marked institution. It didn't happen overnight, but the events of a single day sealed the deal. Clearly the swaths of this fan base that contributed greatly to the hanging of Greg Schiano, a man convicted of nothing, proven guilty of nothing, have not even a clue of the stain they have put on this program, this university, this state, by their shameful reaction to the prospect of Schiano coming here. If it was hard to get a great coach before, it's likely impossible now. Sure money talks, so does gross and self righteous indignation. You think men of honor, accomplishment and integrity would be proud to represent this fan base after what they've seen? Few if any.

Before Schiano the nation was watching this coaching search with fascination. Now they watch with disgust, and so do many coaches. We were once a program of proud tradition. Now I imagine most coaches liken coming here to swallowing poison, and honestly, I can't blame them.

I've been asking myself the past couple days what keeps me rooting for the Tennessee Volunteers. I still and always will cheer them on I think because of the memories of my childhood, the tradition of being a Vol being handed down from my father and older siblings, because of John Ward, the greatest game caller in the history of the sport. But I feel no real kinship with many of the "fans." I just don't anymore.

In a perfect world, I think we forget about searching for the perfect coach for a minute and see about replacing the fan base.

The fans are not the problem here.