Perhaps The Question Has Become, "Who Would Have Us?"

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GRN1926 said:
A testimony was given UNDER OATH that stated Schiano knew about Sandusky. If that person was lying then he could be put in prison on the charge of perjury. That is a BIG DEAL. So explain to me how that has no relevance.

Next. EVERY person and media member in the country dogged Briles and said he should never work again yet not one time has he been named in any testimony in that case. Explain the hypocrisy on this.

You are ignorant and know nothing about what you speak,. You come here to rail the fabase with information spoon fed to you by media member that also have done no research. So, if you are embarrassed by this fanbase then GFTO, we don't need or want losers like you around us.
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So tell us, what exactly did Schiano know about Sandusky? Provide documentation that proves Schiano knew about him. Provide documentation that specifies exactly what Schiano saw. If you can’t, then I would suggest that you quit making yourself look foolish.
 
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Tallman said:
The fans are not the problem here.
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You’re wrong. A certain segment of the fan base has caused irreparable damage to the credibility of the University. There are consequences for irrational behavior as it relates to accusing a man of something that there is no proof of.

The pocket of loser fans: First it was the petition for Martin’s removal. Then it was #Empty Neyland, now this. The statement on the rock was the final nail in the cross. No reputable and accomplished coach would touch this job. Congrats!
 
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1725gatorhater said:
I will make it short
1. Ask Petersen at 7-10 million and I he says no
2. Kiffin and For 3 million and OC Tee double his salary and DC Kevin Steele
3. Tee Martin and bunch of VFL coaching
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Would love to have Peterson. He’s currently very successful and happy. He will get an extension and a healthy raise at Washington. Why would he want to come to a University that has a rebellious and out of control fan base? Money, facilities and tradition can no longer overcome the stupidity of fans’ actions.
 
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Evergrenevol said:
So tell us, what exactly did Schiano know about Sandusky? Provide documentation that proves Schiano knew about him. Provide documentation that specifies exactly what Schiano saw. If you can’t, then I would suggest that you quit making yourself look foolish.
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No, No, No and freakin' No.

You tell me this, with 100% certainty. 100% certainty!

Make this statement: "With 100% certainty, I know it to be a fact that Schiano knew absolutely nothing about the repeated rape of children by Sandusky during the full period of time in which Schiano was employed by Penn State."

You can't make that statement and you know it. This is not a court of law. I don't have to prove he knew. No human should be the face of the university, the very state itself even, about whom you cannot make the above statement.

This is such a no-brainer. Schiano = NO! Period.

The fans were right.

AV
 
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Aerie Vol said:
No, No, No and freakin' No.

You tell me this, with 100% certainty. 100% certainty!

Make this statement: "With 100% certainty, I know it to be a fact that Schiano knew absolutely nothing about the repeated rape of children by Sandusky during the full period of time in which Schiano was employed by Penn State."

You can't make that statement and you know it. This is not a court of law. I don't have to prove he knew. No human should be the face of the university, the very state itself even, about whom you cannot make the above statement.

This is such a no-brainer. Schiano = NO! Period.

The fans were right.

AV
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Thanks for removing any doubt about the stupidity of a certain segment of those who consider themselves fans.

The Presumption Of Innocence

The presumption of innocence is a fundamental principle in the criminal law of the United States, relieving criminal defendants of the burden of proving their own innocence. Criminal defendants in the United States are innocent any crime until proven guilty, placing the burden of proving guilt upon the prosecution. The government is given the responsibility of producing enough evidence and arguments to prove the guilt of criminal defendants beyond a reasonable doubt. No matter what indictment or formal charges are brought against the defendant, and no matter what the personal feelings of those involved may be, if government prosecution cannot decisively demonstrate the defendant's guilt in trial then that person is legally "not guilty" and free to go.
 
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All Vol! said:
To a great extent I feel what was once an attractive destination for many coaches around the country, has become a toxic prospect. A marked institution. It didn't happen overnight, but the events of a single day sealed the deal. Clearly the swaths of this fan base that contributed greatly to the hanging of Greg Schiano, a man convicted of nothing, proven guilty of nothing, have not even a clue of the stain they have put on this program, this university, this state, by their shameful reaction to the prospect of Schiano coming here. If it was hard to get a great coach before, it's likely impossible now. Sure money talks, so does gross and self righteous indignation. You think men of honor, accomplishment and integrity would be proud to represent this fan base after what they've seen? Few if any.

Before Schiano the nation was watching this coaching search with fascination. Now they watch with disgust, and so do many coaches. We were once a program of proud tradition. Now I imagine most coaches liken coming here to swallowing poison, and honestly, I can't blame them.

I've been asking myself the past couple days what keeps me rooting for the Tennessee Volunteers. I still and always will cheer them on I think because of the memories of my childhood, the tradition of being a Vol being handed down from my father and older siblings, because of John Ward, the greatest game caller in the history of the sport. But I feel no real kinship with many of the "fans." I just don't anymore.

In a perfect world, I think we forget about searching for the perfect coach for a minute and see about replacing the fan base.
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So, you would be fine with Schiano, a coach he that has some baggage plus has many of the same negative traits of the coach we just fired? Either our fanbase shut up and accepted mediocrity or gets blasted by EVERYONE for not accepting it. What a great choice huh?
 
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Mr. Mullet couldn't stand the pressure...well, do we really want someone who can't handle it anyway, or do we want someone who can...who actually wants the challenge that this program presents...please no more MAC attacks...it's gut-check time, my friends....can Mr. Currie deliver the goods...we'll see...:)

PS. don't go blaming the fans for this fiasco...:crazy:

GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Dave Doeren
I guarantee that's our next head coach. Hardly anybody except for DieHard college football fans know who he is he's coming from a lesser program and he would be cheap and he would excite no one that's exactly what we look for in our coaches as soon as I saw his name mentioned this morning it's over I've done following the search I'm 100% confident that's going to be the higher
 
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Evergrenevol said:
So tell us, what exactly did Schiano know about Sandusky? Provide documentation that proves Schiano knew about him. Provide documentation that specifies exactly what Schiano saw. If you can’t, then I would suggest that you quit making yourself look foolish.
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It doesn’t really matter. The fan base reacted to a story in the Washington Post. Granted it’s heresay but this is owned by the media, not the fans.
 
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We are not that once proud program anymore. It's why I'm amazed that so many fans think we can just go out and get any coach we want if the "money is there". Well, we dropped 7+mil in Gundy's lap and he said no. Gruden said no. Leach said no. Getting easier to list the guys that haven't turned us down yet. All the while, the nation and college football just laughs at us. Hell, I can promise you that no matter who we hire, some goob on this site will complain about the hire while telling everyone that UT "settled" and "could have done better". They're doing it right now with candidates meanwhile other programs keep hiring one guy after the next after the next while UT is doing due diligence and showing patience in the search...carefully vetting candidates. Total hogwash. Currie is casting a wide net with a hope and a prayer. He's reeks of desperation and we are! This entire mess has been one huge embarrassment. Hell, he's known for months that Butch was gone and it still plays out like a damned chinese fire drill.

I'll say it again...and again...UT needs to swallow hard and fire Currie. Name Blackburn the AD then have him do the hire. Once that's done, tell Haslam to keep his money for his legal defense fund and part ways with this scourge.

If they won't do this, and I know they won't, just hire Kiffin and try to win some damned games and breathe a little life into a dying program.
 
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daaangjimmy said:
I agree. I don’t have anything personal against any of you guys on here, as you can see by the post count a majority of my time is spent reading and observing.

Perhaps maybe we are to open or passionate. I don’t know, but I don’t feel like we are going to make it to the promise land anytime soon.

Tennessee Football is just not the same, the next several years are going to be rough.

Our reputation is tarnished and not even 7 million dollars a year will bring some here. Think about how crazy that sounds
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I agree ,I think it's past the point of who do we want,now it's who can we get to come in and try to fix this mess
 
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Before our offer, I'm sure there were major college programs just chomping at the bit to hire Schiano. ;)
 
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You guys have made it clear you want no part of another Butch Jones/Cincy type search. You don't have the appetite for a possible up and comer because of your D. Dooley fear. That only leaves the well established, proven, HC with credentials to show for it.

That can be an embarrassing line of NOs to have to wade through publicly. It's not that you won't eventually get that guy, it's all the rejection in between that leaves a bad taste.
 
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Honestly...I don't see a good outcome to this..

They have too much pride to go back to Kiffin.
They won't consider Les Miles or Tee Martin even though both have said they would take the job.

No other serious coach wants to come and is using interviewing with us to shore up their position with their current college.

We need to prepare ourselves that Currie/Haslam is going to choose another mid-major or low profile coach .

We are an out of control tire fire and no one is coming is save us.
 
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GRN1926 said:
You are correct, money wont fix this problem. What happened Sunday was the boiling point of something that has been building for over 10yrs now. You and the people that rail the fanbase and act like its the fans fault are laughable.

1. You are giving too much credit to the fans. Major boosters nixed this deal, not the fans.
2. This fanbase, that is apparently the problem, has packed that 100k+ stadium out each week for 10yrs of the worst football in school history. TN has more support than other programs that are actually winning championships do. Is that what a terrible fanbase looks like?
3. Along with no.2, this great fanbase has supported TN to the point is one of the top schools in the country in revenues.
4. Why are the fans not allowed to have a say in who represents the school? We are the customers and have faithfully and diligently supported the program and the leaderships bad decisions or 15yrs now. Rising up against oppression, and TN fans have been oppressed, is not just a distinctly American action but something that is done all around the world on a daily basis. It is what founded this country. Sometimes change is hard and ugly but it is what TN needs because what has been going on can not continue, not if TN ever wants to successful program again anyways
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The media gives all the credit to the fans and their power in the decision making process. The inmates can't be allowed to run the organization We have seen the problems associate with this process.
 
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Evergrenevol said:
Thanks for removing any doubt about the stupidity of a certain segment of those who consider themselves fans.

The Presumption Of Innocence

The presumption of innocence is a fundamental principle in the criminal law of the United States, relieving criminal defendants of the burden of proving their own innocence. Criminal defendants in the United States are innocent any crime until proven guilty, placing the burden of proving guilt upon the prosecution. The government is given the responsibility of producing enough evidence and arguments to prove the guilt of criminal defendants beyond a reasonable doubt. No matter what indictment or formal charges are brought against the defendant, and no matter what the personal feelings of those involved may be, if government prosecution cannot decisively demonstrate the defendant's guilt in trial then that person is legally "not guilty" and free to go.
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What part of "Schiano isn't on trial in a court of law" are you struggling with? This is the court of public opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

I will not stand for someone to be the head coach of the Vols if they even "might" have done the things McQueary swore in court that Schiano did. It matters not if McQueary was lying. I cannot afford to risk the chance he was telling the truth.

Again, if Schiano is indeed innocent, he has McQueary (liar) and Sandusky (unspeakable) to blame for this - not me for diligently guarding the integrity of my university.

AV
 
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Perhaps there is a bright side to all of this. The notion that UT can hire a "big name" coach who could magically create a championship program in a couple of years has been laid to waste. Maybe the long difficult process of building a solid team can begin.
 
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there's three guys that want the job right now.

Lane Kiffin
Tee Martin
Les Miles

and none of them are getting a look.
 
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All Vol! said:
To a great extent I feel what was once an attractive destination for many coaches around the country, has become a toxic prospect. A marked institution. It didn't happen overnight, but the events of a single day sealed the deal. Clearly the swaths of this fan base that contributed greatly to the hanging of Greg Schiano, a man convicted of nothing, proven guilty of nothing, have not even a clue of the stain they have put on this program, this university, this state, by their shameful reaction to the prospect of Schiano coming here. If it was hard to get a great coach before, it's likely impossible now. Sure money talks, so does gross and self righteous indignation. You think men of honor, accomplishment and integrity would be proud to represent this fan base after what they've seen? Few if any.

Before Schiano the nation was watching this coaching search with fascination. Now they watch with disgust, and so do many coaches. We were once a program of proud tradition. Now I imagine most coaches liken coming here to swallowing poison, and honestly, I can't blame them.

I've been asking myself the past couple days what keeps me rooting for the Tennessee Volunteers. I still and always will cheer them on I think because of the memories of my childhood, the tradition of being a Vol being handed down from my father and older siblings, because of John Ward, the greatest game caller in the history of the sport. But I feel no real kinship with many of the "fans." I just don't anymore.

In a perfect world, I think we forget about searching for the perfect coach for a minute and see about replacing the fan base.
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I don't know where you live, but I graduated during the late 90's and left the state shortly thereafter. Always carried the Vols with me, and I am currently far west of the Mississippi river. I feel like Vol country (Tennessee, mainly east Tennessee) has become its own echo chamber. This "WE ARE TENNESSEE" mantra in the face of what is objectively terrible, childish behavior has created a blight on the football program. Tennessee is a national program: it has to recruit nationally, and kids see this and think, "what kind of s**tshow am I walking in to there?" Coaches see problems, not possibility.

If you live outside of the Vol echo chamber, all you have heard over the past few days is, "hey, what the hell is up in K-Town?" My friends in the state tell me that rational thought has gone straight out the door. People understand passion all across the country, they don't understand fanaticism masked as passion.

Too many people believe that if we gave $8 million a year to any coach in the country, that coach would come to Tennessee. Simply isn't true.

Gruden was a silly pipe-dream, and people truly believed it. Schiano wasn't as good a coach as people expected here, and they believed any negative thing ever said about him to justify their revolt. Believe whatever you want, but reality and results speak to the truth. No big name coach will come with 100 miles of Knoxville.

Blame everyone and everything, but dear fellow Vol fans, it is as much us as the AD, the Chancellor, the Haslems, or any other daily pariah on these boards. The fans are caught in their own echo chamber and are destroying the perception of what this program can be.
 
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