People need to understand that if Maurer was the better QB then our coaches would start him

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I can promise you Maurer will start before the end of the year. Pruitt is trying to protect JG until Maurer is ready to take over. When your OC calls plays to cover up for the inability of your QB you know you have to make a change.

Maurer probably sees some snaps in the Chattanooga game then starts after Bama.
 
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NEOCON said:
Dobbs proves this whole theory wrong.

Tom Brady proves this whole theory wrong.

There have been better qbs sitting on the bench multiple times that a coach didn’t realize was better for some reason.
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Dobbs absolutely was better. Idk that he was ready when some wanted him as starter but he for sure was ready before Jones started him.
 
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Dobbs averaged only 139 passing yards per game in the 5 games he played as a freshman. He wasn’t Dobbs yet.
 
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SGMVols said:
Dobbs averaged only 139 passing yards per game in the 5 games he played as a freshman. He wasn’t Dobbs yet.
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Not to mention in 2015, he averaged 176 ypg passing, but made a serious jump between 2015 and 2016, and upping his average to 226 ypg, and having 8 games of 200+ yards.

Dobbs was never going to be Brady, but he definitely did improve each year.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Except in your scenario, Hurd wasn’t necessarily some scrub that was playing over Kamara....

He was on his way to obliterating the alltime rushing record....
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It's not because Hurd was some amazing rb. He was lucky there was little competition his first 2 years. Hurd had more attempts in his first 2 years than most of our rbs had in three. He's 2nd all time in attempts and he only played 2.5 years at Tennessee. Many of our career leading rushers overlapped each others playing times.

It was obvious Kamara should have been getting more carries when was here. He proved that to everyone once Hurd transferred.
 
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TheDeeble said:
It's not because Hurd was some amazing rb. He was lucky there was little competition his first 2 years. Hurd had more attempts in his first 2 years than most of our rbs had in three. He's 2nd all time in attempts and he only played 2.5 years at Tennessee. Many of our career leading rushers overlapped each others playing times.

It was obvious Kamara should have been getting more carries when was here. He proved that to everyone once Hurd transferred.
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Outside of stats, there is zero argument or proof that we were losing games because Hurd was in over Kamara.

And once again, you don't luck your way into being on pace to smash the all time rushing record. He wasn't on pace to barely get it. He was on pace to blow it out of the water because there weren't tons of indications that he was gonna go pro after his junior season. Even if he did, he would have likely gotten to 3,500 yards in 3 years. That is no small feat or lucky accomplishment.

We can have the who's better debate all day. But to say that Kamara not getting touches over Hurd was losing us games is silly.
 
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SGMVols said:
Dobbs averaged only 139 passing yards per game in the 5 games he played as a freshman. He wasn’t Dobbs yet.
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Dobbs was not a great drop back QB. He was though amazing at making something out of nothing. How many times you see J.G. take a total breakdown play and scramble for 15 yards and a first? Dobbs did it multiple times a game.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Outside of stats, there is zero argument or proof that we were losing games because Hurd was in over Kamara.

And once again, you don't luck your way into being on pace to smash the all time rushing record. He wasn't on pace to barely get it. He was on pace to blow it out of the water because there weren't tons of indications that he was gonna go pro after his junior season. Even if he did, he would have likely gotten to 3,500 yards in 3 years. That is no small feat or lucky accomplishment.

We can have the who's better debate all day. But to say that Kamara not getting touches over Hurd was losing us games is silly.
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I'm not saying anything about losing games. Kamara was just an amazing rb. He was the more talented rb and should have been getting more carries. Our coaching staff were buffoons for not playing him more.

Hurd was on pace for no reason other than carries. He has one of the lowest ypc of any of the top rbs in UT history. He was a decent rb that they just ran a lot his first two years. He was slow and not a playmaker at all.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I'm not saying anything about losing games. Kamara was just an amazing rb. He was the more talented rb and should have been getting more carries. Our coaching staff were buffoons for not playing him more.

Hurd was on pace for no reason other than carries. He has one of the lowest ypc of any of the top rbs in UT history. He was a decent rb that they just ran a lot his first two years. He was slow and not a playmaker at all.
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You don't luck your way into being en route to a 3500+ yard pace in 3 years because of luck or touches......

But once again, you can't really call them idiots on who was getting running back touches. Like there are plenty of things to go after Butch and Debord for, but only argument being made is that Kamara should have gotten more touches so he could get better stats, not that his lack of touches game in and game out was costing us wins.
 
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This is almost exactly what happened in 2010 when Chaney was OC.

Matt Simms was our sacrificial lamb early season starter because Oregon, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina in an almost back-back-back stretch was murderer's row. Simms limped through USC and Bray was starter for Memphis where we won 4 straight (Memphis, Ole Miss, Vandy, Kentucky).

While Ole Miss in 2010 was a lot worse than Miss State in 2019 is and Vandy/Kentucky are both better now than they were then... I would say we easily have a more talented roster and we definitely have more depth on OL/DL than we had then. We don't have great depth, but definitely better than 2010.

It's possible that JG is just the guy who is there to get blasted while an OL finds their groove and we get easier at bats. Because you don't want to break in a new starter against Florida/Georgia/Alabama.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
You don't luck your way into being en route to a 3500+ yard pace in 3 years because of luck or touches......

But once again, you can't really call them idiots on who was getting running back touches. Like there are plenty of things to go after Butch and Debord for, but only argument being made is that Kamara should have gotten more touches so he could get better stats, not that his lack of touches game in and game out was costing us wins.
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Giving Kamara more carries to get better stats isn't the argument. Hurd wasn't a special back. His number is being help up only by the amount of carries he was given that other top rbs in Tennessee history never got. Often because they played together at the same time. Take Jamal Lewis, Travis Henry, and Travis Stephens for example. All 3 are in the top 12 all time rushing yards and they played at the same time. Give any one of these guys #1 rb carries for their career and they'd have set rushing yard totals Hurd would never approach. James Stewart (#3) played at the same time as Aaron Hayden and Charlie Garner. Cedric Houston has 4 less yards than Hurd, but did it with 88 fewer carries. Why? Because he was running at the same time as Gerald Riggs. They both had 1000 yard seasons in 04.

As for wins who knows if we would have won more games. Kamara had playmaking ability. Take a few of those losses we had and split the carries and we might have won a couple more. Kamara was a td threat when he touched the ball. Hurd wasn't.
 
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1vol8 said:
There’s one play on his senior highlight reel that tells the story of just how dangerous this kid is as a qb. As a right handed qb his protection broke down on his right side, he rolls to his left at nearly full speed and just before he got to the sideline launched the ball downfield,without squaring his shoulders, about 40 yards in stride. There’s only a couple of NFL qbs that can make that throw. And people wonder why I compare him to Aaron Rodgers. But hey...... 3 star. Don’t want. And JG is better. Who can argue with 4 mil a year?
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So you're telling me that our coaching staff has a kid making throws that only 2 QBs in the NFL can make sitting on the bench as our 3rd string QB? Something doesn't sound right about that to me.
 
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1vol8 said:
There’s one play on his senior highlight reel that tells the story of just how dangerous this kid is as a qb. As a right handed qb his protection broke down on his right side, he rolls to his left at nearly full speed and just before he got to the sideline launched the ball downfield,without squaring his shoulders, about 40 yards in stride. There’s only a couple of NFL qbs that can make that throw. And people wonder why I compare him to Aaron Rodgers. But hey...... 3 star. Don’t want. And JG is better. Who can argue with 4 mil a year?
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I see it too. He’ll be a star in Chaney’s system.
 
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Kinglberry said:
Nathan Peterman, nuff said. Some guys are amazing in practice, crappy on the field. Others have the opposite issue, except with our guys, they never see the field.
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Yeah and he went to Pittsburgh and lit it up and now is a member of the Oakland Raiders.
 
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Bigun said:
This idea that coaches dont play the player that gives them the best chance to win is as ludicrous as that guys story about Ryan Johnson.

This is not a defense of CJP, but only Butch would be stupid enough to do that.
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Most backups don't work with the first string, so it's hard to tell how good a player is in practice... Kurt Warner played in the arena league and sacked groceries several years until an injury landed him the starting job.
Tom Brady was a benchwarmer until the starter was injured. Brett Favre was a benchwarmer with the Falcons before being traded. Len Dawson spent FIVE years as backup before he could get any playing time. Joe Montana was a benchwarmer for both Notre Dame and the 49ers until the starters were inquired. Warren Moon spent 5 years in the CFL before he was a starter.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
So you're telling me that our coaching staff has a kid making throws that only 2 QBs in the NFL can make sitting on the bench as our 3rd string QB? Something doesn't sound right about that to me.
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You can put it in any context you like to try and discredit me but video don’t lie. Don’t believe it...... look for yourself.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Dobbs absolutely was better. Idk that he was ready when some wanted him as starter but he for sure was ready before Jones started him.
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Jones said the same about Dobbs that CJP is saying now, nobody is better than JG he's going to play but we know how Dobbs thing played
I think coaches have so much EGO they will not admit mistake or failure not to say I know football better than CJP …...but we are watching same QB...……………….
 
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EconVol92 said:
You have great practice players and great game players. Now they should be one and the same, but not always. If the other two QBs are worse than what JG has shown thus far we are in it deep.
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Bottomline: The coaches don't know!! Now I assume they think JG is the better QB. However, you never know until the game is played and the QB is in the game!!
I certainly can understand in the first two game taking the chance of putting in an unknown QB could be dangerous. First, let me say JG is a warrior for sure. He takes a licking and keeps ticking. However, I don't think the faults of JG are fixable. His lack of vision and just good pocket presence seems to be a talent you have or not. Perhaps I am wrong, but JG has NOT improved in this area at all.. If it is coachable, then we need a good coach to help him. Great QBs can see what going to happen (or most likely to happen) even before the play occurs. This is one of the things that made Peyton such a great QB.
 
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