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[S.C. OrangeMan]

Respectfully disagree it is better "by every objective measure." And in any event I am really speaking to what I view as an inevitable reality as this is not sustainable.

Objective measures include:

Attendence - records set in the NIL/portal era.

More games.

More cable and streaming viewership.

More money.

Better compliance with federal law.

So, do you have anything other than speculation and subjective feelings? Those are not objective measures.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

What has to be capped? If you’re referring to NIL, there’s not a chance in hell the courts will ever allow it to be capped. And no players union would ever agree to a cap on NIL. Revenue sharing is already capped for about the next decade.

This x 1,000!!!

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

You didn't answer the question.

If Mark Cuban was out of the picture, could Indiana have still won the national championship?

Appeal to speculation. Logical fallacy.

However, there were several teams with less booster finances and less NIL money that did not win the championship last season. That tends to refute your argument.

And, it's moot anyway because Indiana did go undefeated and win it within the rules and within the law.

It's an adalt or die world that still requires performance on the field.
That is exactly how Indiana won it.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Answer a question with a question. Classic deflection tactic.

Take away the money from everyone, teams like UT have facilities, tradition, location, atmosphere, pro player development, and tribalism that would get players on campus. The answer is yes, Tennessee could and has done it without agents paying players. Indiania can't claim one of those nor could they get players without a billionaire. They have something like 30ish winning seasons compared to over 100 for UT. The only miracle is Cubans willingness to give tens of millions to a historically doormat school. It was impressive, he bought two really good teams. He's spent most of his life buying players, it makes sense he can do it well in football too. They went from 3-9 to champions after he started buying coaches and players.

Yeah, because that has worked out SO well for us over the last 15 years, LOL!

 

[lawgator1]

Objective measures include:

Attendence - records set in the NIL/portal era.

More games.

More cable and streaming viewership.

More money.

Better compliance with federal law.

So, do you have anything other than speculation and subjective feelings? Those are not objective measures.

Other than the basics of human nature, not really.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

Appeal to speculation. Logical fallacy.

However, there were several teams with less booster finances and less NIL money that did not win the championship last season. That tends to refute your argument.

And, it's moot anyway because Indiana did go undefeated and win it within the rules and within the law.

It's an adalt or die world that still requires performance on the field.
That is exactly how Indiana won it.

I'm not talking about other teams. I specifically said Indiania. You won't answer the question because they could not have won without Mark Cuban and you won't admit it. They could replace any other person involved and they could have still won, even Cignetti. They could not have done it without Cuban, or his money rather. I gave props to Indiana, it was very well done, but they paid for it.

Yeah, because that has worked out SO well for us over the last 15 years, LOL!

Deflecting again. Go back to your video games.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I'm not talking about other teams. I specifically said Indiania. You won't answer the question because they could not have won without Mark Cuban and you won't admit it. They could replace any other person involved and they could have still won, even Cignetti. They could not have done it without Cuban, or his money rather. I gave props to Indiana, it was very well done, but they paid for it.


Deflecting again. Go back to your video games.

Phil Knight has thrown about a billion of his personal money at Oregon without a championship.

That dwarfs what Cuban has thrown at Indiana but Indiana has a championship.

Obviously, it's not JUST Mark Cuban that got the championship at Indiana but yes, Cuban definitely has a big part.

Saying it's JUST Cuban who is irreplaceable in a team effort is not quite accurate. It's not JUST money that won it for Indiana. There are other very significant and not easily replaceable parts to the puzzle.

 

[Delmar]

Phil Knight has thrown about a billion of his personal money at Oregon without a championship.

That dwarfs what Cuban has thrown at Indiana but Indiana has a championship.

Obviously, it's not JUST Mark Cuban that got the championship at Indiana but yes, Cuban definitely has a big part.

Saying it's JUST Cuban who is irreplaceable in a team effort is not quite accurate. It's not JUST money that won it for Indiana. There are other very significant and not easily replaceable parts to the puzzle.

Agree. Cuban’s money is very important but I’d say Curt Cignetti’s ability to recognize experienced talent and piece it together was just as important. With the new world of the transfer portal, that will be a key ingredient going forward for all coaches. You can spend all the money you want but it means zip if you can’t bring the team together.

 

[Delmar]

Agree. Cuban’s money is very important but I’d say Curt Cignetti’s ability to recognize experienced talent and piece it together was just as important. With the new world of the transfer portal, that will be a key ingredient going forward for all coaches. You can spend all the money you want but it means zip if you can’t bring the team together.

Having said that. Phil Knight’s money has put Oregon of being in playoff position every year. Lanning hasn’t gotten them over the hump but that’s probably just a matter of time.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Having said that. Phil Knight’s money has put Oregon of being in playoff position every year. Lanning hasn’t gotten them over the hump but that’s probably just a matter of time.

I think there's a thin line between being a "money angel" like Cuban and "a little too interested" like Knight.

I think Cuban probably discussed things with Indiana and Cignetti and said, "I believe in you guys and let's do this" and left them essentially alone to do the job.

I think Phil Knight likes to be a little too involved at Oregon, despite doing great things for them. Sometimes a "money angel" trips over itself by trying to be what they aren't: football professionals.

Biggest case in point: Jerry Jones in Dallas. Dallas would be much better with just his money and not him.

Oregon would be better with Knight's money and not him. Indiana IS better with Cuban's money because they don't have him meddling.

 

[Delmar]

I think there's a thin line between being a "money angel" like Cuban and "a little too interested" like Knight.

I think Cuban probably discussed things with Indiana and Cignetti and said, "I believe in you guys and let's do this" and left them essentially alone to do the job.

I think Phil Knight likes to be a little too involved at Oregon, despite doing great things for them. Sometimes a "money angel" trips over itself by trying to be what they aren't: football professionals.

Biggest case in point: Jerry Jones in Dallas. Dallas would be much better with just his money and not him.

Oregon would be better with Knight's money and not him. Indiana IS better with Cuban's money because they don't have him meddling.

Agree but I think Jerry Jones is a step above. He is the poster child for a meddling owner/booster.

 

[adam.vol]

Why is it that MLB doesn’t need a salary cap but everyone else does?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Why is it that MLB doesn’t need a salary cap but everyone else does?

MLB has an extremely good (or bad, depending on your perspective) player's union which refuses to allow it.

 

[BanditVol]

College football we know is done. $$$$ makers are gonna get their way. There may come a day though, young athletes will have to decide to either join the g-league out of high school or go get a college education. I would much rather watch a group of young athletes compete for their school, with a free education, boarding, and nourishment, even though they are of less talent, then the so called future g-league player out of high school and his/hers family thinks. And maybe once a young athlete makes that decision, that's it. He ain't running back to college. Period. Nadda. First it was baseball, then basketball, now football. Go ahead and start g-league football with all the dam sponsors you want. I won't be watching. Never thought it would come to this, but after 50 years as a True VOL Fan,,, I'm out.

And yet, you call yourself "The Future". Irony is deep with this one!

 

[Good Ol' Charlie Brown]

Bye! Won't miss you!

 

[NIL>KidsCollegeFund]

OP is right. But I’m still watching. Both can be true

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Other than the basics of human nature, not really.

What objective measure exists for human nature?

How do you measure it?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I'm not talking about other teams. I specifically said Indiania. You won't answer the question because they could not have won without Mark Cuban and you won't admit it. They could replace any other person involved and they could have still won, even Cignetti. They could not have done it without Cuban, or his money rather. I gave props to Indiana, it was very well done, but they paid for it.


Deflecting again. Go back to your video game

. Again, the Hoosier's didn't buy their championship. They won it on the field. Every FBS team has money. 235 of them don't win the championship.evert year.

Your claim is bogus. It does not even qualify as fantasy.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

Phil Knight has thrown about a billion of his personal money at Oregon without a championship.

That dwarfs what Cuban has thrown at Indiana but Indiana has a championship.

Obviously, it's not JUST Mark Cuban that got the championship at Indiana but yes, Cuban definitely has a big part.

Saying it's JUST Cuban who is irreplaceable in a team effort is not quite accurate. It's not JUST money that won it for Indiana. There are other very significant and not easily replaceable parts to the puzzle.

I disagree. You take away the money and they absolutely don't even sniff that championship.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

. Again, the Hoosier's didn't buy their championship. They won it on the field. Every FBS team has money. 235 of them don't win the championship.evert year.

Your claim is bogus. It does not even qualify as fantasy.

Could they have won it without Mark Cuban?

Explain this, they are historically one of the most losingest teams in FBS history. As soon as Mark Cuban gets involved they turn into a championship team overnight? It's laughable that you don't think that's buying a championship. You think in 100 years they could have came close but they didn't get close at all until a billionaire bought coaches and players.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I disagree. You take away the money and they absolutely don't even sniff that championship.

I'll agree that the money matters but if it's JUST the money, Phil Knight has actually thrown a billion dollars at Oregon without winning.

Cuban tossed perhaps 50-100 million at Indiana.

It's not JUST money.

 

[Delmar]

I'll agree that the money matters but if it's JUST the money, Phil Knight has actually thrown a billion dollars at Oregon without winning.

Cuban tossed perhaps 50-100 million at Indiana.

It's not JUST money.

I agree that it’s more than just Cuban’s money. Cignetti had something to do with it. To be fair though, I think the guy is saying that if Cuban hadn’t been there to donate all that money, Indiana would not have won a title. And I believe that too. They wouldn’t have been able to buy those players.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

I agree that it’s more than just Cuban’s money. Cignetti had something to do with it. To be fair though, I think the guy is saying that if Cuban hadn’t been there to donate all that money, Indiana would not have won a title. And I believe that too. They wouldn’t have been able to buy those players.

Somebody gets it. Bingo, and the ultimate point being that only Mark Cuban would be willing to use 10s of millions on a doormat school therein, he bought them a championship. They would still be a 3 win team without Cuban.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Somebody gets it. Bingo, and the ultimate point being that only Mark Cuban would be willing to use 10s of millions on a doormat school therein, he bought them a championship. They would still be a 3 win team without Cuban.

For sure, Indiana doesn't win without Cuban's money BUT the fact that Oregon hasn't won with Knight's money means there's more to it than just money.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

For sure, Indiana doesn't win without Cuban's money BUT the fact that Oregon hasn't won with Knight's money means there's more to it than just money.

Oregon has come close a few times without agents. Indiana struggled to have winning seasons.

Cuban (money man) is the only irreplaceable human in their championship and no one thanked him in their speeches. Everyone else is replaceable and could still achieve what they achieved.