Paying players

[goooooovols]

Technically, yes. In reality they were buying 16 because Peyton was assigned to it. The point is, the number doesn't BELONG to the player, it belongs to the University. That's just the fact. I don't know who you work for but at my level, I sign an agreement with the company I work for that ANYTHING that I develop that pertains to their business (whether on their time or mine) belongs to them. They pay for the patent and put my name on it, but I don't own it. Same for the numbers, the players don't own them......period.

Besides if it hadn't been Peyton Manning it would have been someone else's....Tee Martin sold quite a few jersey's too, Clausen, Ainge, Bray..hell Crompton had a ****load of fans wearing number 8 jerseys...what do they get for it, all were given opportunities of NFL careers, treated like kings thru college and oh yeah a college education....plus you think if Al Wilson needed a job there wouldn't be someone step up and GIVE him a "PR" position making a comfortable living....Get Real!

 

[Godfatha]

Against it, because a scholarship and all of the other perks amount to getting paid (ask a regular student how they would like to have that deal).

Also, once you start paying the football players, the women's row team will be up in arms.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Besides if it hadn't been Peyton Manning it would have been someone else's....Tee Martin sold quite a few jersey's too, Clausen, Ainge, Bray..hell Crompton had a ****load of fans wearing number 8 jerseys...what do they get for it, all were given opportunities of NFL careers, treated like kings thru college and oh yeah a college education....plus you think if Al Wilson needed a job there wouldn't be someone step up and GIVE him a "PR" position making a comfortable living....Get Real!

Are we agreeing or disagreeing, I am confused.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Don't forget all the shoes, clothes, electronic devices, food, medical expenses....and the list goes on and on and on......

Shoes and clothing yes, laptop should be in their scholie if you want to go there, food and medical are part of the scholie. Other electronic devices are not required however, they all seem to come up with a mp3/ipod and cell phone or a combi of both. We want to talk about how these kids need money so they can be "like other students" right up to the point in time that they get caught stealing stuff and then selling it over their comps or calling their contacts on their cell phones to sell it. There has to be a way of helping kids that need it, but paying them won't accomplish it. I challenge you to find one student athlete that doesn't have a cell phone. Not an old audiovox, but a new smart phone.

 

[Lexvol]

Technically, yes. In reality they were buying 16 because Peyton was assigned to it. The point is, the number doesn't BELONG to the player, it belongs to the University. That's just the fact. I don't know who you work for but at my level, I sign an agreement with the company I work for that ANYTHING that I develop that pertains to their business (whether on their time or mine) belongs to them. They pay for the patent and put my name on it, but I don't own it. Same for the numbers, the players don't own them......period.

In reality the only reason they were buying it was because Peyton Manning was wearing it. I have a pretty firm understanding of who owns what. That doesn't make it right.

So if you increase revenue in your company you don't look to renegotiate or move to a company that will pay you more? You are stuck no matter how productive you are? Doesn't seem like the American way to me.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

In reality the only reason they were buying it was because Peyton Manning was wearing it. I have a pretty firm understanding of who owns what. That doesn't make it right.

So if you increase revenue in your company you don't look to renegotiate or move to a company that will pay you more? You are stuck no matter how productive you are? Doesn't seem like the American way to me.

Don't confuse the American way with how big time athletic programs operate, or how the real world operates.

UT sold that #16 jersey to raise revenue for UT's athletic department. If Peyton was so pissed off about seeing UT profit off of selling his jersey, he could have left after the '96 season.

Likewise, if my team blows out its sales target this year, chances are my director will reward me with a higher target next year. Armed with that knowledge I can either look for a similar position within my industry, or be content with the fact that if my team is exceeding its target, chances are I'm making a pretty good living.

The current setup isn't perfect by any stretch, but student athletes have advantages and privileges most non-scholarship students could only dream about.

Too many student athletes today want to chase a "fast "dime instead of making the most out of their FREE education to make a "slow" dollar down the road. It's a small wonder why most NFL players go broke after they retire.

 

[Lexvol]

Don't confuse the American way with how big time athletic programs operate, or how the real world operates.

UT sold that #16 jersey to raise revenue for UT's athletic department. If Peyton was so pissed off about seeing UT profit off of selling his jersey, he could have left after the '96 season.

Likewise, if my team blows out its sales target this year, chances are my director will reward me with a higher target next year. Armed with that knowledge I can either look for a similar position within my industry, or be content with the fact that if my team is exceeding its target, chances are I'm making a pretty good living.

The current setup isn't perfect by any stretch, but student athletes have advantages and privileges most non-scholarship students could only dream about.

I'm well aware. I just vehemently disagree.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I'm well aware. I just vehemently disagree.

And your solution would be....

 

[Oskie Volum]

Athletes have a job...football or what ever sport they play. They get paid for it via a free education and all the other stuff they get. Some get paid better per year than some on here do. Its not my fault that they need to keep up with the Jones'.

If they want to go on a date find a girl that's cool with dinner at presidential or Gibbs (which is better than some good restaurants in town anyway). Or find one that'll pay. Trust me they are out there. There are also plenty of loser boosters that are willing to throw their daughters at them so find them.

If they get paid $300 a month does anyone really think that the extra "handouts" will stop and they will all of sudden stop taking them???

Problem is all the losers out there that need to fill a void in their lives by "hanging" with the kids cause they are athletes. So they can brag to there buddies about it. Like the poster who said he works(ed) with an athlete that didn't do anything so the owner could brag about him. Or the loser mens clothes store owner down in Loserlusca that dresses all them boys. Like girls who throw themselves at athlete/famous person only cause they are famous. On and on and on every day of the week this crap goes on. Pathetic!
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[82_VOL_83]

In reality the only reason they were buying it was because Peyton Manning was wearing it. I have a pretty firm understanding of who owns what. That doesn't make it right.

So if you increase revenue in your company you don't look to renegotiate or move to a company that will pay you more? You are stuck no matter how productive you are? Doesn't seem like the American way to me.

Sure, and if I was a scholarship athlete and I didn't like the value of my scholarship in terms of what is legally offered, I would transfer. But I would transfer with full knowledge of the costs to me.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Since LexVol choose to take only parts of your quote, I will too:

Don't confuse the American way with how big time athletic programs operate, or how the real world operates.

Too many student athletes today want to chase a "fast "dime instead of making the most out of their FREE education to make a "slow" dollar down the road. It's a small wonder why most NFL players go broke after they retire.

^This

 

[Lexvol]

And your solution would be....

When I began my participation in this thread I stated that title 9 makes it impossible to pay players. That doesn't mean I think they shouldn't be paid. There is no way you could pay them without paying all the other sports.

I've had several relatives participate in DI sports. UT football, track, and even rowing. I can tell you the kids in the other sports put in just as many hours of training and practice. It is impossible to pay them all fairly.

 

[Lexvol]

Since LexVol choose to take only parts of your quote, I will too:



^This

I was posting on a mobile phone and didn't really feel like breaking the entire post down.

It is not my place to judge an athlete's motive or tell them what they do with their money.

They have very little protection in the current environment. It is all geared to push the cash into the school and even more disturbing the NCAA coffers.

 

[GatorBill]

They are already paid. Next.


seriously. Tuition. Room. Board. Fricken meal plan that covers more than the regular student meal plan. (example: my kid eats at Gibbs once or twice a week. She has an unlimited meal plan and still has to pay $9 to eat at the Gibbs cafeteria.) Add in Books.
Im not sure if UT allows schollys to pay for off campus housing, but if they do, that is also a place where players can come up with extra cash. The scholly is worth more than the housing actually costs.

Every athlete is also encouraged (and I agree with this) to apply for a Pell grant. The athletic scholarship does not exclude them from Pell Grants. SO....assuming they have free schooling, they also have extra spending money from the pell grant.

If a kid is complaining because they do not have money to spend, it is because they were not smart enough to find it.

 

[Lexvol]

They are already paid. Next.


seriously. Tuition. Room. Board. Fricken meal plan that covers more than the regular student meal plan. (example: my kid eats at Gibbs once or twice a week. She has an unlimited meal plan and still has to pay $9 to eat at the Gibbs cafeteria.) Add in Books.
Im not sure if UT allows schollys to pay for off campus housing, but if they do, that is also a place where players can come up with extra cash. The scholly is worth more than the housing actually costs.

Every athlete is also encouraged (and I agree with this) to apply for a Pell grant. The athletic scholarship does not exclude them from Pell Grants. SO....assuming they have free schooling, they also have extra spending money from the pell grant.

If a kid is complaining because they do not have money to spend, it is because they were not smart enough to find it.

I used to agree, but the TV money has gotten so big...I don't really buy it anymore.

 

[CountVolcula]

I don't see anything wrong with it.

Of course a Bammer has nothing against paying players.

You guys have been doing it for years

 

[82_VOL_83]

When I began my participation in this thread I stated that title 9 makes it impossible to pay players. That doesn't mean I think they shouldn't be paid. There is no way you could pay them without paying all the other sports.

I've had several relatives participate in DI sports. UT football, track, and even rowing. I can tell you the kids in the other sports put in just as many hours of training and practice. It is impossible to pay them all fairly.

^This 100%.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I used to agree, but the TV money has gotten so big...I don't really buy it anymore.

Looking at the budgets link from a different thread, two years ago we had a year in the black, the previous we were in the red. If you want to do something with all this extra money that the universities and the NCAA are making, why not expand the AD? Put in men/women's Lacrosse, put in mens/women's Rugby, put in men's soccer, etc. I mean there is a WHOLE ton of things this "TV Money" can be used for other than paying the student athletes. I for one would like to see the NCAA raise the entrance standards and get the student part back into student athlete.

 

[Lexvol]

Looking at the budgets link from a different thread, two years ago we had a year in the black, the previous we were in the red. If you want to do something with all this extra money that the universities and the NCAA are making, why not expand the AD? Put in men/women's Lacrosse, put in mens/women's Rugby, put in men's soccer, etc. I mean there is a WHOLE ton of things this "TV Money" can be used for other than paying the student athletes. I for one would like to see the NCAA raise the entrance standards and get the student part back into student athlete.

I have no interest in watching a replay of the Vandy spring game every Saturday from September-December.

Your idea will make the money disappear faster than Cecil Newton could.

 

[dpearso1]

this might have already been mentioned but the ncaa should take some of the money that the new playoff system is going to generate and create a student athlete loan department...i dont know the specifics it would take but do this along with the department of education or whatever part of govt deals with student loans. i don't mind athletes being paid as long as it is through loans they have to pay back like the rest of us have to...however that might make to much sense to set up instead figuring out how to just give players money

 

[Vol Main]

It is ok to pay student athletes but if I wanted to watch paid athletes I would go to Titan games and so would a lot of people thus killing their golden goose. The product would greatly diminish.

I don't know that's true if they get paid the same per hour as students pushing book carts in the library.

 

[WA_Vol]

it would be something similar to what a lab/grad assistant makes, ~18k a year IMO