Patience

[VFL-82-JP]

Okay, here's how predictable some folks are on VN.com. Folks who believe they're witty. Bearded, for example. At some point, even though he's fighting it right now because I can predict his every move, at some point he's going to post in this thread. And what he intended to say, before I called his shot, is "oh, here we go, it's today's installment of JP's defense of Pruitt." He'll probably shift his message just to "prove me wrong," but we all know that's where he would've gone. Heh.

Patience.

This thread is not about Pruitt. It's not about Chaney. Not about Fulmer. Not about Butch. Not about any specific person or event. Not about any specific time frame.

It's about you. You and me.

There's a fictional movie about one year's NFL draft. It's called Draft Day. Has Kevin Costner in the lead role. A lot of us have seen it. For those who haven't, I do recommend it; far better than any movie about such a constrained topic should be. Here's the first of a series of 10 short youtube clips leading up to the climactic scene:



I'll summarize. Costner, the general manager of one NFL team, takes a series of seemingly nonsensical decisions in preparation for draft day. Then, over the course of the day, he seems to double down on the bad choices until, at the end, all the weirdly-shaped pieces of his plan suddenly fall into perspective and his genius is revealed.

Okay, so what? That's just Hollywood making up a feel-good story.

Well, here's what. Costner's character was smarter than the folks around him. The folks trying to give him advice. He knew exactly what he was doing. He had a plan, and he executed it. Even if they couldn't see how it would work until near the end, even if the team gathered no fruits of their labors until the very last minute, he knew what he was doing. He was smarter than everyone around him on his business, his job.

Now what if a Tennessee coaching staff knows their subject better than you and I do? What if they know a bit more about college football than us? About recruiting kids, developing them, forming a team out of them, and winning games and championships with them? What if they know every piece of that better than us?

When did we start assuming they don't?

Where did we lose the ability to wait and see? Where did we lose the ability to give a subject matter expert some leeway, some rope? Sure, they might just hang themselves, but...given that they're probably smarter on the topic than we are...they might just see further ahead to a brighter outcome than we can.

When did we lose patience, as a fan base?

Because I can assure you, we have zero of that now.


END NOTE: no,, this isn't about Pruitt. This is just as much about how we treat the coach after Pruitt, or the coach after that, as it is about how we treat him. This is about US, and a serious flaw we've developed as a community.

 

[Firebirdparts]

I've said this many times on this board: I've been hearing this "if you don't hate this team you're not a true vol fan" stuff my whole life. I'm only 54, though. This is not new. This is just treating Pruitt the way Johnny Majors was treated. The difference was just that Johnny was the dream candidate and you couldn't really fire him.

 

[preacherwebb]

3-7

 

[igotworms]

As predictable as another stupid thread by you to defend the bald gump.

Got it

 

['Boro-vol]

The only flaw I see Is the incessant need of some to point out the flaws in the fanbase, most especially the flaws of those in the fanbase they disagree with.

Congrats on another wonderfully self-aggrandizing effort. YouTube movie clips and everything. Bravo.

 

[VolDave53]

When did we lose patience? Good question. I suggest it was 5 years into the last score of years (that is 15 years ago). Fulmer was struggling and the fans demanded more of the magic he had previously provided. Once the fruit is tasted, and enjoyed, the drug has set its hooks into the soul.

I recall when attending the SECCG in Atlanta in 98, the news flashed that the win would put the Vols into the Fiesta Bowl. Tears of joy ensued as I had never seen the Vols in the NC picture before. Granted, there were some "split National Championships", but never a consensus championship in my lifetime. Yes, it was intoxicating, but rare even then. The patience we saw with Majors' struggling years was forgotten and the demand for the elixir was immediate thereafter.

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

If it wasn’t for Dobbs in 15 and 16, we’re talking about 13 years of near unwatchable football, and apathy levels from this vol would have been through the roof. But starting 5-0 in 2016 #9 national ranked helped. Also, all it takes is ONE GOOD YEAR, or even decent, and we will be back too 25 nationally ranked like the beginning of this season. We aren’t far from relevance, the whole football world wants it. The ones making decisions don’t know how to get us there.

Side note: maybe you should have sent this as a DM to bearded.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Cheat and you reap the whirlwind, Sheriff.

 

[84Volfan]

Good talk Phil....

 

[norrislakevol]

Pruitt brought this upon himself by losing to multiple teams that Tennessee should have ran off the field such as BYU, GA State, and Vandy. He also has increased the frustration by getting curb stomped by our biggest rivals.

I will cheer on this team no matter what, but those losses were flat out embarrassing. Some, if not most, of the inexcusable losses could have been avoided by having another option at QB other than JG, but who's fault is that as well? Most important position on the field is QB. The times of just having a game manager (JG couldn't even do that) at the position are over. The days of grinding out big wins on the ground are over. Pruitt is playing 15 years behind the times, and I don't know that he can ever change that mindset.

 

[99gator]

So, getting beat every week and playing bad football is part of some grand design?

 

[TNnative]

Okay, here's how predictable some folks are on VN.com. Folks who believe they're witty. Bearded, for example. At some point, even though he's fighting it right now because I can predict his every move, at some point he's going to post in this thread. And what he intended to say, before I called his shot, is "oh, here we go, it's today's installment of JP's defense of Pruitt." He'll probably shift his message just to "prove me wrong," but we all know that's where he would've gone. Heh.

Patience.

This thread is not about Pruitt. It's not about Chaney. Not about Fulmer. Not about Butch. Not about any specific person or event. Not about any specific time frame.

It's about you. You and me.

There's a fictional movie about one year's NFL draft. It's called Draft Day. Has Kevin Costner in the lead role. A lot of us have seen it. For those who haven't, I do recommend it; far better than any movie about such a constrained topic should be. Here's the first of a series of 10 short youtube clips leading up to the climactic scene:



I'll summarize. Costner, the general manager of one NFL team, takes a series of seemingly nonsensical decisions in preparation for draft day. Then, over the course of the day, he seems to double down on the bad choices until, at the end, all the weirdly-shaped pieces of his plan suddenly fall into perspective and his genius is revealed.

Okay, so what? That's just Hollywood making up a feel-good story.

Well, here's what. Costner's character was smarter than the folks around him. The folks trying to give him advice. He knew exactly what he was doing. He had a plan, and he executed it. Even if they couldn't see how it would work until near the end, even if the team gathered no fruits of their labors until the very last minute, he knew what he was doing. He was smarter than everyone around him on his business, his job.

Now what if a Tennessee coaching staff knows their subject better than you and I do? What if they know a bit more about college football than us? About recruiting kids, developing them, forming a team out of them, and winning games and championships with them? What if they know every piece of that better than us?

When did we start assuming they don't?

Where did we lose the ability to wait and see? Where did we lose the ability to give a subject matter expert some leeway, some rope? Sure, they might just hang themselves, but...given that they're probably smarter on the topic than we are...they might just see further ahead to a brighter outcome than we can.

When did we lose patience, as a fan base?

Because I can assure you, we have zero of that now.


END NOTE: no,, this isn't about Pruitt. This is just as much about how we treat the coach after Pruitt, or the coach after that, as it is about how we treat him. This is about US, and a serious flaw we've developed as a community.

In reality, had Kevin Costner's character made those decisions, it is more than likely he would not have BSed that many other GMs. ESPECIALLY from Cleveland. Had they had Costner being the GM at another club, and the Jacksonville GM at Cleveland with their real life owner playing himself? It might have been more believable. At least Jennifer Garner and Dennis Leary was in it.

Not to belittle your point, but basing your what if on this movie, just seems weak. It almost does make Dooley's WW2 story seem less asinine. Almost.

 

[MIT_Beaver]

What about Pruitt and his performance makes you think he is a hidden gem, incognito savant, or destined for success at UT? This fan base deserves better and if anyone says that they should be more patient then I will automatically assume they are either directly responsible for the decisions that have gotten us to this point, have friends/family that made athletic decisions, or beyond naive.

 

[jp1]

So, getting beat every week and playing bad football is part of some grand design?

Because that is exactly what the OP is saying. Is that honestly what you took from his post?

 

[allvol123]

We done good.

The writing was on the wall in neon the first time you heard this guy speak.

 

[fishheadspin]

Georgia state’s staff was smarter than ours.

 

[Border Vol]

Okay, here's how predictable some folks are on VN.com. Folks who believe they're witty. Bearded, for example. At some point, even though he's fighting it right now because I can predict his every move, at some point he's going to post in this thread. And what he intended to say, before I called his shot, is "oh, here we go, it's today's installment of JP's defense of Pruitt." He'll probably shift his message just to "prove me wrong," but we all know that's where he would've gone. Heh.

Patience.

This thread is not about Pruitt. It's not about Chaney. Not about Fulmer. Not about Butch. Not about any specific person or event. Not about any specific time frame.

It's about you. You and me.

There's a fictional movie about one year's NFL draft. It's called Draft Day. Has Kevin Costner in the lead role. A lot of us have seen it. For those who haven't, I do recommend it; far better than any movie about such a constrained topic should be. Here's the first of a series of 10 short youtube clips leading up to the climactic scene:



I'll summarize. Costner, the general manager of one NFL team, takes a series of seemingly nonsensical decisions in preparation for draft day. Then, over the course of the day, he seems to double down on the bad choices until, at the end, all the weirdly-shaped pieces of his plan suddenly fall into perspective and his genius is revealed.

Okay, so what? That's just Hollywood making up a feel-good story.

Well, here's what. Costner's character was smarter than the folks around him. The folks trying to give him advice. He knew exactly what he was doing. He had a plan, and he executed it. Even if they couldn't see how it would work until near the end, even if the team gathered no fruits of their labors until the very last minute, he knew what he was doing. He was smarter than everyone around him on his business, his job.

Now what if a Tennessee coaching staff knows their subject better than you and I do? What if they know a bit more about college football than us? About recruiting kids, developing them, forming a team out of them, and winning games and championships with them? What if they know every piece of that better than us?

When did we start assuming they don't?

Where did we lose the ability to wait and see? Where did we lose the ability to give a subject matter expert some leeway, some rope? Sure, they might just hang themselves, but...given that they're probably smarter on the topic than we are...they might just see further ahead to a brighter outcome than we can.

When did we lose patience, as a fan base?

Because I can assure you, we have zero of that now.


END NOTE: no,, this isn't about Pruitt. This is just as much about how we treat the coach after Pruitt, or the coach after that, as it is about how we treat him. This is about US, and a serious flaw we've developed as a community.

We're past the point of patience. After how terrible Tennessee was in 2020 i think everyone's patience has been pretty much used up!

 

[99gator]

Because that is exactly what the OP is saying. Is that honestly what you took from his post?

You tell me.

The argument is be patient. It may not look like they know what they’re doing, but just wait. For what?

This isn’t one year. One offseason. He’s been there 3 years and what’s gotten better. Anything?

 

[CoachClick]

 

[Border Vol]

You tell me.

The argument is be patient. It may not look like they know what they’re doing, but just wait. For what?

This isn’t one year. One offseason. He’s been there 3 years and what’s gotten better. Anything?

 

[Volsfaninva917]

I've said this many times on this board: I've been hearing this "if you don't hate this team you're not a true vol fan" stuff my whole life. I'm only 54, though. This is not new. This is just treating Pruitt the way Johnny Majors was treated. The difference was just that Johnny was the dream candidate and you couldn't really fire him.

Johnny was Tennessee royalty with a National Championship Ring that came home. Pruitt is a dumba$$ from Alabama with the grammar to match

 

[The Original Fade]

We done good.

The writing was on the wall in neon the first time you heard this guy speak.

It makes me cringe and why I don’t listen to his press conferences.

 

[Other_Guy]

I've been following the Vols since 02. I think I've earned the right to be out of patience.

Okay, here's how predictable some folks are on VN.com. Folks who believe they're witty. Bearded, for example. At some point, even though he's fighting it right now because I can predict his every move, at some point he's going to post in this thread. And what he intended to say, before I called his shot, is "oh, here we go, it's today's installment of JP's defense of Pruitt." He'll probably shift his message just to "prove me wrong," but we all know that's where he would've gone. Heh.

Patience.

This thread is not about Pruitt. It's not about Chaney. Not about Fulmer. Not about Butch. Not about any specific person or event. Not about any specific time frame.

It's about you. You and me.

There's a fictional movie about one year's NFL draft. It's called Draft Day. Has Kevin Costner in the lead role. A lot of us have seen it. For those who haven't, I do recommend it; far better than any movie about such a constrained topic should be. Here's the first of a series of 10 short youtube clips leading up to the climactic scene:



I'll summarize. Costner, the general manager of one NFL team, takes a series of seemingly nonsensical decisions in preparation for draft day. Then, over the course of the day, he seems to double down on the bad choices until, at the end, all the weirdly-shaped pieces of his plan suddenly fall into perspective and his genius is revealed.

Okay, so what? That's just Hollywood making up a feel-good story.

Well, here's what. Costner's character was smarter than the folks around him. The folks trying to give him advice. He knew exactly what he was doing. He had a plan, and he executed it. Even if they couldn't see how it would work until near the end, even if the team gathered no fruits of their labors until the very last minute, he knew what he was doing. He was smarter than everyone around him on his business, his job.

Now what if a Tennessee coaching staff knows their subject better than you and I do? What if they know a bit more about college football than us? About recruiting kids, developing them, forming a team out of them, and winning games and championships with them? What if they know every piece of that better than us?

When did we start assuming they don't?

Where did we lose the ability to wait and see? Where did we lose the ability to give a subject matter expert some leeway, some rope? Sure, they might just hang themselves, but...given that they're probably smarter on the topic than we are...they might just see further ahead to a brighter outcome than we can.

When did we lose patience, as a fan base?

Because I can assure you, we have zero of that now.


END NOTE: no,, this isn't about Pruitt. This is just as much about how we treat the coach after Pruitt, or the coach after that, as it is about how we treat him. This is about US, and a serious flaw we've developed as a community.

 

[Border Vol]

It makes me cringe and why I don’t listen to his press conferences.

I think he sounded like he would rather still be an assistant at Alabama right from the beginning. CJP has never sounded enthusiastic about being head coach of Tennessee.

 

[landscapingvol]

Okay, here's how predictable some folks are on VN.com. Folks who believe they're witty. Bearded, for example. At some point, even though he's fighting it right now because I can predict his every move, at some point he's going to post in this thread. And what he intended to say, before I called his shot, is "oh, here we go, it's today's installment of JP's defense of Pruitt." He'll probably shift his message just to "prove me wrong," but we all know that's where he would've gone. Heh.

Patience.

This thread is not about Pruitt. It's not about Chaney. Not about Fulmer. Not about Butch. Not about any specific person or event. Not about any specific time frame.

It's about you. You and me.

There's a fictional movie about one year's NFL draft. It's called Draft Day. Has Kevin Costner in the lead role. A lot of us have seen it. For those who haven't, I do recommend it; far better than any movie about such a constrained topic should be. Here's the first of a series of 10 short youtube clips leading up to the climactic scene:



I'll summarize. Costner, the general manager of one NFL team, takes a series of seemingly nonsensical decisions in preparation for draft day. Then, over the course of the day, he seems to double down on the bad choices until, at the end, all the weirdly-shaped pieces of his plan suddenly fall into perspective and his genius is revealed.

Okay, so what? That's just Hollywood making up a feel-good story.

Well, here's what. Costner's character was smarter than the folks around him. The folks trying to give him advice. He knew exactly what he was doing. He had a plan, and he executed it. Even if they couldn't see how it would work until near the end, even if the team gathered no fruits of their labors until the very last minute, he knew what he was doing. He was smarter than everyone around him on his business, his job.

Now what if a Tennessee coaching staff knows their subject better than you and I do? What if they know a bit more about college football than us? About recruiting kids, developing them, forming a team out of them, and winning games and championships with them? What if they know every piece of that better than us?

When did we start assuming they don't?

Where did we lose the ability to wait and see? Where did we lose the ability to give a subject matter expert some leeway, some rope? Sure, they might just hang themselves, but...given that they're probably smarter on the topic than we are...they might just see further ahead to a brighter outcome than we can.

When did we lose patience, as a fan base?

Because I can assure you, we have zero of that now.


END NOTE: no,, this isn't about Pruitt. This is just as much about how we treat the coach after Pruitt, or the coach after that, as it is about how we treat him. This is about US, and a serious flaw we've developed as a community.

A serious flaw?! We are barely above .500 as a program over the last 10 years and our SEC record over that same period is absolutely dreadful. It's not a flaw that we have. It's the simple fact that UT football, with the exception of a year or two, has been terrible for well over a decade now. If there is some great master plan at work here, it is the most convoluted, ill conceived plan in the history of master plans. You keep assuming that all college coaches are football geniuses and are vastly smarter than the average adult. They aren't, I have worked with several. Are there some great ones? Sure, but they aren't employed at UT. Have you ever stopped to think that the answer is quite as simple as it appears? We are a poorly run athletic program with poor results on the field.