Patience

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The OP said something about the current staff knowing something about developing players and then I stopped reading because that’s ridiculous. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
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LittleVol said:
Remember when we went on that 7 game win streak?

Go back and look at the opposing QBs.
We had more even time of possession because their QB was inefficient. And our defense which is talented, made plays and allowed us to win tight ball games.

You can still win games if the other team also has average QB ability (IQ, accuracy, etc).

But understand the game is geared now to specifically help the offense advance.
You still need talented guys on defense, because you still want the highest chance to make critical stops. So in that sense, yes...defense still is a part of winning.
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Yep, and I was going to add just that. The rules changes give the QB basically free rain to stand in and get rid of the ball. PI has gotten way lax and I believe still helps the O. PI has basically always been an O beneficial call.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Do you disagree with winning the East every 3-4 years being a reasonable expectation once a competitive program is established? Too much for you to expect? My expectations, which I clearly laid out, do not really go any farther than 2-3 East Championships a decade. This is not unreasonable. Whatever happens after that is gravy...but that should be the bar as we try to find our way back to being a competitive program again. Conference Championships, Playoff berths, and National Championships are not really a given to more than 2 or 3 teams nationally.

And please, somebody explain to me why, in a thread that complains about the personal attacks on coaches by people of one opinion, are personal attacks against fans (digs about spelling and drug use) by those of a differing opinion not derided equally?
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Because you missed his point entirely. But, you do you. The guy has had 2 years plus a cluster ****. I thought JG was a terrible QB. I couldn't understand why he didn't throw the Frosh to the wolves. But, HB realistically did not practice until the season started. We'd have gotten crushed just as badly with JT. BM can't stay on the field for more than 3 quarters. I understand why he did what he did, I didn't like it. I hope you never have a job where the super fires you prior to giving you at least a good try. 4th guy down the line that gets axed in 3 days won't come to work for him. Either that or he will demand 4 X market price. See, I expressed my displeasure without damning everyone from the trainers to the University Pres to hell. This place used to be fun. We've never had this pie in the sky top 10 every year football team that some want while VN has been alive. The vitriol because a coach doesn't deliver immediate Top 10 teams every year is sickening.
 
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Ledzepvol said:
I guess I would be considered to be a part of the "Fire Pruitt" or "Nega Vol" group as opposed to the "Sunshine Pumpers" or "Posi Vol" group, but essentially both sides of the Vols fanbase want the same thing: We want to WIN... So for me, Coach Pruitt and staff need to secure a record of 8-4, assuming a regular season of 12 games for 2021. That should be the minimal expectation every year, no matter who the coach is, and to me anything less and he should be let go. 8-4 is assuming 3 losses to our main rivals, Bama, Gators, Dawgs... Plus, the members of the fanbase that are for the current regime, point to 2020 being a "mulligan" year, due to Covid-19, etc.. Although, we still kept score of the 10 games played in 2020... And, I remember distinctly early in the year when UT was 2-0, and hearing Gary Danielson say something to the effect of the following: It's possible Tennessee can go 8-2 this year (2020), with a possible win over one of the Big 3 rivals.. Well, that clearly did not happen, BUT, obviously expectations were high for 2020, so there should be no more excuses for 2021, assuming a regular offseason, etc..
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You had me right up to Gary Danielson. Epic fail.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Sure it is. I bet CJP can comprehend at least on your level.
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Asking that we compete for the East/SEC every 3-4 year isn't "want it now, championships every year"; if you can't grasp that, I can't help you. And if wanting to compete every 3-4 years for the East/SEC is asking too much, then you might consider transferring your fandom to Vanderbilt.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Because you missed his point entirely. But, you do you. The guy has had 2 years plus a cluster ****. I thought JG was a terrible QB. I couldn't understand why he didn't throw the Frosh to the wolves. But, HB realistically did not practice until the season started. We'd have gotten crushed just as badly with JT. BM can't stay on the field for more than 3 quarters. I understand why he did what he did, I didn't like it. I hope you never have a job where the super fires you prior to giving you at least a good try. 4th guy down the line that gets axed in 3 days won't come to work for him. Either that or he will demand 4 X market price. See, I expressed my displeasure without damning everyone from the trainers to the University Pres to hell. This place used to be fun. We've never had this pie in the sky top 10 every year football team that some want while VN has been alive. The vitriol because a coach doesn't deliver immediate Top 10 teams every year is sickening.
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*** you accuse them of missing the point then you repeat that this every year BS that has been addressed like 3 times now.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Asking that we compete for the East/SEC every 3-4 year isn't "want it now, championships every year"; if you can't grasp that, I can't help you. And if wanting to compete every 3-4 years for the East/SEC is asking too much, then you might consider transferring your fandom to Vanderbilt.
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2 years plus a cluster and you know everything you need to know about Pruitt? Riiiigggghhhhtttt.
 
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Why is OP length inversely proportional to number of wins around here?

Tldr bro. Tl... Dr
 
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Patience without any meaningful attempt to measure progress or hold someone to a proper evaluation is foolhardy.

A coach entering his third year at a program should be able to field a more competitive team than Pruitt has done.

We can take a look at Jonathan Smith over at Oregon State. Like Pruitt he is in his third season in charge. Like Pruitt he has a substandard record.

But take a closer look at Smith's program...
https://osubeavers.com/sports/football/schedule/2020
2020 Football Schedule - Oregon State University Athletics

His teams have been more competitive in his third season in charge than his first year. In his third year, he has a win over his archrival.

I'm willing to give a coach like that, even at 2-5, considerable patience because I can see the progress being made from season one to season three. I can give a coach latitude who has taken a 55-15 defeat in his first season against the key rival and turned that into a 41-38 win in year three. There is real, tangible improvement with that program, the kind of standard meriting additional patience.

Now compare Coach Smith to Coach Pruitt. Are we really seeing the kind of meaningful progress at Tennessee under Pruitt that Oregon State is getting from their coach? Is there an improved standard of performance a Tennessee fan can point to in defense of Coach Pruitt in year three that an Oregon State fan can see from their coach? Are we closing the gap against our rivals in the same way Oregon State has closed the gap against Oregon?

In year three with this coach, we are closer to the bottom than we are to the elite. The gap is not closing with our rivals. The gap is widening to the point where we are the equivalent of a scrimmage game to the likes of Alabama and Florida.

Patience is a virtue. Meriting that patience is equally virtuous.

This is year three. What has Pruitt done to deserve year four?
 
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99gator said:
So, getting beat every week and playing bad football is part of some grand design?
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I think the argument is once you’ve let a program slip this far then maybe you let a coach recruit a full cycle of kids before axing him just yet. It’s not a hard concept to grasp. Not saying CJP is the answer but it’s not crazy to give him a 4th year for a rebound attempt.
 
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VolFootballIsLife said:
I think the argument is once you’ve let a program slip this far then maybe you let a coach recruit a full cycle of kids before axing him just yet. It’s not a hard concept to grasp. Not saying CJP is the answer but it’s not crazy to give him a 4th year for a rebound attempt.
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I think Pruitt is a lost cause, but I have zero confidence our AD would make a competent hire so, here we are.
 
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