Parrish article on Martin's exit

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butchna said:
Probably because you were the caller. :)
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No, but my sister does know his wife.

Let's see how people react to the new coach compared to Martin if he doesn't make the NCAA and his team scores the same or less than Martin's. Martin outperformed expectations each year and made a Sweet 16 by year three. That wasn't good enough and his teams were too boring. Lets see if CDT gets the same negativity that Martin did after this year. People said no matter what if we didn't win 20 games and make the tourney the season was bad. Lets see if CDT is held to the same standard. He inherited more returning production than Martin did.
 
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k-town_king said:
No, but my sister does know his wife.

Let's see how people react to the new coach compared to Martin if he doesn't make the NCAA and his team scores the same or less than Martin's. Martin outperformed expectations each year and made a Sweet 16 by year three. That wasn't good enough and his teams were too boring. Lets see if CDT gets the same negativity that Martin did after this year. People said no matter what if we didn't win 20 games and make the tourney the season was bad. Lets see if CDT is held to the same standard. He inherited more returning production than Martin did.
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So article basically says last year's team had this relationship to the fans:


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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9280fC5ujU[/youtube]
 
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daniel 85 said:
Wonder what would have happened if he were a white guy what would there story be then
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That he stunk n vol fans expectations were unrealistic but since he is black no way can he sux at coaching so it had to race...

I mean look at the NBA they never fire a black coach because of performance.. Lol u either win or get fired n that's how it should be.
 
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knowthevols said:
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Which part?

I know for a fact people harassed his wife. I said it when he left.

It is a fact he beat expectations his first and last year definitely. Matched them his second year without his leading returning scorer. Sweet 16 his third year. That was not good enough.

Never won less than 19 games. Not good enough.

Lets see if the NCAA or bust people say the same things for CDT.

To please the Martin haters he would need to make the NCAA every year with at least 20 wins and no losses to "worse" teams and average at least about 75 a game. If you are holding them to the same standards that is.
 
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I for one do not believe race played a role in Tennessee fans wanting Martin gone. Look at Jerry Green. He had a record of 89-36, made the ncaa tourney 4 times and actually finished first in the conference twice. Fans grew disgruntled with Green because his teams faded down the stretch and did not live up to their potential. Oh yeh, he was a white coach who had a better record and much better success than Martin but the fans were not happy.
 
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k-town_king said:
He inherited more returning production than Martin did.
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Barely. And even with that, he only returns one starter in JRich, and then Reese, Moore, & Hubbs. That's 4 of 13 roster spots.

Martin at least returned a majority of Pearl's final roster, even if they were mostly unproven players.
 
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Thought it was a pretty good article, and there's a lot of truth to the last paragraph, "I honestly think me leaving is good for me and probably good for Tennessee," Martin concluded. "Like I said, there were a lot of wonderful people there. But, for me, it was time.".

Donnie Tyndall could've been hired instead of Martin and it likely would've been the same result, as Calban said unless that coach came in here and produced 3 straight NCAAT appearances mixed with a deep run, they likely weren't going to be too highly thought of.

The slate is now clean, and as Tyndall said Day 1, hopefully everyone can get back on the same team.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Barely. And even with that, he only returns one starter in JRich, and then Reese, Moore, & Hubbs. That's 4 of 13 roster spots.

Martin at least returned a majority of Pearl's final roster, even if they were mostly unproven players.
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The only player who started a couple of games for Pearl that Martin got was Tatum. I think we would all agree that we would rather have J Rich than Tatum. CDT inherited Thompson and Davis also. He just didn't hold onto them. They had similar numbers to what Golden and Maymon had under Pearl. Hubbs with a hurt shoulder had a better freshman year than McRae and was rated way higher.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Thought it was a pretty good article, and there's a lot of truth to the last paragraph, "I honestly think me leaving is good for me and probably good for Tennessee," Martin concluded. "Like I said, there were a lot of wonderful people there. But, for me, it was time.".

Donnie Tyndall could've been hired instead of Martin and it likely would've been the same result, as Calban said unless that coach came in here and produced 3 straight NCAAT appearances mixed with a deep run, they likely weren't going to be too highly thought of.

The slate is now clean, and as Tyndall said Day 1, hopefully everyone can get back on the same team.
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Good post.

The other thing that stuck out to me was Martin admitting that he knew 2 or 3 months into the job that it wasn't a good fit.
 
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k-town_king said:
Which part?

I know for a fact people harassed his wife. I said it when he left.

It is a fact he beat expectations his first and last year definitely. Matched them his second year without his leading returning scorer. Sweet 16 his third year. That was not good enough.

Never won less than 19 games. Not good enough.

Lets see if the NCAA or bust people say the same things for CDT.

To please the Martin haters he would need to make the NCAA every year with at least 20 wins and no losses to "worse" teams and average at least about 75 a game. If you are holding them to the same standards that is.
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But to plaster the WHOLE fanbase because some racist idiots went too far?...you live in the same world we do right? There's racism everywhere but the powers that be in Knoxville HIRED Cuonzo! And they didn't fire him...he left! If he had returned he would have had a lot of license to rebuild his way...Hart doesn't fire people who are competent...it took an act of Congress to expunge Dooley for crying out loud...victimmongers screaming how unfairly Zo was treated are a tired act, and no matter how loud they squawk, it's not going to give CDT only one year as some warped sense of payback!
 
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butchna said:
But to plaster the WHOLE fanbase because some racist idiots went too far?...you live in the same world we do right? There's racism everywhere but the powers that be in Knoxville HIRED Cuonzo! And they didn't fire him...he left! If he had returned he would have had a lot of license to rebuild his way...Hart doesn't fire people who are competent...it took an act of Congress to expunge Dooley for crying out loud...victimmongers screaming how unfairly Zo was treated are a tired act, and no matter how loud they squawk, it's not going to give CDT only one year as some warped sense of payback!
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People used to make prejudice/racist remarks about Bruce Pearl too.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Good post.

The other thing that stuck out to me was Martin admitting that he knew 2 or 3 months into the job that it wasn't a good fit.
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This is the part that blows my mind. He had not even coached a game yet. Was he sour that people were not going to easily warm up to him after the dismissal of Bruce Pearl and the fact nearly everyone had to Google Cuonzo Martin to know who the heck he even was?
 
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butchna said:
But to plaster the WHOLE fanbase because some racist idiots went too far?...you live in the same world we do right? There's racism everywhere but the powers that be in Knoxville HIRED Cuonzo! And they didn't fire him...he left! If he had returned he would have had a lot of license to rebuild his way...Hart doesn't fire people who are competent...it took an act of Congress to expunge Dooley for crying out loud...victimmongers screaming how unfairly Zo was treated are a tired act, and no matter how loud they squawk, it's not going to give CDT only one year as some warped sense of payback!
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When did anyone say it was the whole fanbase? It was a factor seeing as he knew some fans didn't like him for that reason. He left in part because he didn't want to deal with it.

Funny you bring up Dooley because more people were on Dooley's side than Zo's and Martin did a million times better.

I will treat CDT like ZO. If he meets or beats expectations I will be happy.

Others were the ones who had all these stipulations on what is a good year. I just want to see those people stick to the same standards.
 
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"And lots and lots of people, quite frankly, think the color of his skin was an issue." Followed by, "And there's some truth to all of this..." [i.e. the several points Parrish had just made, which included that statement.]

That hardly seems like "plastering the whole fanbase with charges of racism". It was obviously a factor, the only question is how much of a factor.

Anyhow, after reading, I'm even more impressed with Cuonzo. Wasn't a fan of the hire at the time, but he hooked me pretty early on. Really really like what the product looks like when the guys completely buy in. And really like that the face of our team was a guy with heart instead of a caricature/clown/used car salesman. He'll thrive at Cal.
 
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k-town_king said:
When did anyone say it was the whole fanbase? It was a factor seeing as he knew some fans didn't like him for that reason. He left in part because he didn't want to deal with it.
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The point is that those people exist everywhere and he will have to deal with it....everywhere. Fans will always not like you.

Funny you bring up Dooley because more people were on Dooley's side than Zo's and Martin did a million times better.
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If you are talking about at the end of their respective tenures then you could not be more wrong. Most everyone was fine with keeping Martin after a sweet 16. Maybe 5 percent of people were still defending Dooley near the end of his 3rd season.
 
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k-town_king said:
When did anyone say it was the whole fanbase? It was a factor seeing as he knew some fans didn't like him for that reason. He left in part because he didn't want to deal with it.

Funny you bring up Dooley because more people were on Dooley's side than Zo's and Martin did a million times better.

I will treat CDT like ZO. If he meets or beats expectations I will be happy.

Others were the ones who had all these stipulations on what is a good year. I just want to see those people stick to the same standards.
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Fair point...so you actually WANT to hear from the idiots who didn't give Zo a fair shake?...if it starts rough with the new guy?
 
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butchna said:
Fair point...so you actually WANT to hear from the idiots who didn't give Zo a fair shake?...if it starts rough with the new guy?
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I just want people to be consistent. If Martin was held to the 20 wins, no bad losses, NCAA or else standard than CDT should be also.
 
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You can't compare the first season under Martin and the first season under Tyndall. Martin had a 4 star player at every position in his starting 5. Tyndall won't even have a PG or a Center.
 
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omghulkhands said:
You can't compare the first season under Martin and the first season under Tyndall. Martin had a 4 star player at every position in his starting 5. Tyndall won't even have a PG or a Center.
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CDT inherited more production. Martin's first team was picked either 12 of 12 or 11 of 12 by all pre season polls. You can absolutely compare them.
 
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