Pac12 Better than SEC

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At this point I dont think we should be used as a measuring tool...

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I think I've seen somewhere on this forum before...someone saying something about ESPN hating us? Couldn't tell.......
 

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ESPN wants so badly for someone other than the SEC to win it all
plus using us as a measuring tool is not a good thing. lol ESPN reasoning.
 
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NCAAF Pac-12 looks good from SEC turf - ESPN
Look at what Jim Mora has done with that UCLA program. Washington is greatly improved, particularly on defense. We'll find out more about unbeaten Arizona on Saturday at Washington, and Arizona State has a big one this weekend as well against USC.
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I'm not sold on UCLA after the curb stomping we put on them in thier own back yard in the Holiday Bowl. Only had to put the ball in the air 13 times. Art had mercy on them and screwed Nick out of leading the nation in total offence.
 
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I think the Pac 12 is clearly the 2nd best conference right now. Still not on par top to bottom with the SEC.
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I'd be wary of the Pac 12 but the sec is still tops
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So far and early in the season, I've watched Alabama vs Texas A&M that was considered the best game of the year so far. We've watched Georgia vs USC and now we get Georgia vs LSU in a huge national match up. Given that the pac 12 is in some type of photo finish with the SEC, I'm wondering what great Pac 12 match up I've missed so far in that same span of time?
 
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BUBear said:
NCAAF Pac-12 looks good from SEC turf - ESPN


I'm not sold on UCLA after the curb stomping we put on them in thier own back yard in the Holiday Bowl. Only had to put the ball in the air 13 times. Art had mercy on them and screwed Nick out of leading the nation in total offence.
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Using the 2012 Holiday bowl as a way to judge a team is beyond silly. Bowl games are worthless data points.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
So far and early in the season, I've watched Alabama vs Texas A&M that was considered the best game of the year so far. We've watched Georgia vs USC and now we get Georgia vs LSU in a huge national match up. Given that the pac 12 is in some type of photo finish with the SEC, I'm wondering what great Pac 12 match up I've missed so far in that same span of time?
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You haven't. ESPN fluff pushing a non-headline. Oregon at Stanford, Nov.7th is the only real matchup in the Pacify 12.
 
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i said last year that the pac12 is better than the sec, top to bottom and i agree this year. in the top 3-5 teams in each conference the sec wins but you go deeper and the pac12 has it. a couple elite teams in the sec does not make the conference as a whole the best
 
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It's mostly the SEC East that isn't very good. The West still has Alabama, Texas A&M, and LSU rolling. The East, however, has an overrated South Carolina, an average Florida team, an awful Tennessee, and a hilarious overhyped Vanderbilt. The East besides Georgia is just bad.
 
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The reason this is coming up is because of the SEC non-conference performance vs. quality opponents and the losses to teams that historically haven't beaten SEC teams.

I may have missed some game(s), but LSU over TCU, Alabama over Virginia Tech and South Carolina over Central Florida are probably the leagues best non-conference wins.

Then you look at losses to Clemson, Miami, W. Kentucky, Oregon, Louisville, Rutgers and Oklahoma State and the SEC has just lost a lot of games that would support the league being number one.

This is why it's very possible a one loss SEC team will not be in the NC game this year. Basically, bama has to win out.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
The reason this is coming up is because of the SEC non-conference performance vs. quality opponents and the losses to teams that historically haven't beaten SEC teams.

I may have missed some game(s), but LSU over TCU, Alabama over Virginia Tech and South Carolina over Central Florida are probably the leagues best non-conference wins.

Then you look at losses to Clemson, Miami, W. Kentucky, Oregon, Louisville, Rutgers and Oklahoma State and the SEC has just lost a lot of games that would support the league being number one.

This is why it's very possible a one loss SEC team will not be in the NC game this year. Basically, bama has to win out.
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The reason this comes up is because the nation is in SEC overload. 7 national championships in a row, think on it? Alabama going for the 3rd NC in a row, 4th in 5 years. Give it some thought? CBS and ESPN has already shown SEC matches that no conference has come close to duplicating, even once. The Alabama/Texas A&M, LSU/Georgia games have been high drama and the college world has been watching and considering them as games of the year. Oregon/Cal, not so much, duckman. The pac 12, that boost of so much parity of strength among the ranks are incapable of putting on the kind of fireworks, throughout the season, that continues to typify the SEC dominance these pass 7 seasons. Truth is, you don't know and will not know what you have in Eugene, until you actually play an opponent that can physically match up. With so much strength of conference in the pac 12, I don't understand what's taking so long?

Worried about one loss SEC team getting to the NC game? Check the latest polls? One loss Georgia at #6, ahead of undefeated Louisville and Florida State. A one loss Texas A&M team at #9 ahead of undefeated Oklahoma, at #10, A one loss LSU at #11 and a one loss USCe at #12.

When the ducks have to finally play someone, anyone, with a NC heartbeat and loses, you too will be looking up at the Bulldogs and Tigers of the SEC. I submit, much like last season, it's the pac 12, with all their supposed parity of strength, that had better keep it perfect.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
So far and early in the season, I've watched Alabama vs Texas A&M that was considered the best game of the year so far. We've watched Georgia vs USC and now we get Georgia vs LSU in a huge national match up. Given that the pac 12 is in some type of photo finish with the SEC, I'm wondering what great Pac 12 match up I've missed so far in that same span of time?
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TUSKtimes said:
The reason this comes up is because the nation is in SEC overload. 7 national championships in a row, think on it? Alabama going for the 3rd NC in a row, 4th in 5 years. Give it some thought? CBS and ESPN has already shown SEC matches that no conference has come close to duplicating, even once. The Alabama/Texas A&M, LSU/Georgia games have been high drama and the college world has been watching and considering them as games of the year. Oregon/Cal, not so much, duckman. The pac 12, that boost of so much parity of strength among the ranks are incapable of putting on the kind of fireworks, throughout the season, that continues to typify the SEC dominance these pass 7 seasons. Truth is, you don't know and will not know what you have in Eugene, until you actually play an opponent that can physically match up. With so much strength of conference in the pac 12, I don't understand what's taking so long?

Worried about one loss SEC team getting to the NC game? Check the latest polls? One loss Georgia at #6, ahead of undefeated Louisville and Florida State. A one loss Texas A&M team at #9 ahead of undefeated Oklahoma, at #10, A one loss LSU at #11 and a one loss USCe at #12.

When the ducks have to finally play someone, anyone, with a NC heartbeat and loses, you too will be looking up at the Bulldogs and Tigers of the SEC. I submit, much like last season, it's the pac 12, with all their supposed parity of strength, that had better keep it perfect.
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Are justifying your position based on media results and two good games, is that correct? While at the same time ignoring the actual performance against non-conference opponents, is that correct? Then basing your argument on conference games media coverage. Don't you think that logic can be a little incestuous?

Then of course attacking the PAC-12 based on the Oregon Cal game. Parity doesn't equal best or worst, you can have the 12 worst teams in the country in one league and you have parity.

Would you consider Alabama's 31-6 win at home over Colorado State (1-3) the kind of win the nation should expect out of a top 10 team? Do you actually think Colorado State would have played Clemson, Miami, Ohio State, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Rutgers or Michigan that close? Other top teams/conferences have been taking care of business in OOC games.

I did not lay claim to the PAC-12 being the best conference in the country. All I did was try and explain WHY it's being discussed.

Care to explain those SEC loses? Are you saying the national championship should be determined by the media?
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Are justifying your position based on media results and two good games, is that correct? While at the same time ignoring the actual performance against non-conference opponents, is that correct? Then basing your argument on conference games media coverage. Don't you think that logic can be a little incestuous?

Then of course attacking the PAC-12 based on the Oregon Cal game. Parity doesn't equal best or worst, you can have the 12 worst teams in the country in one league and you have parity.

Would you consider Alabama's 31-6 win at home over Colorado State (1-3) the kind of win the nation should expect out of a top 10 team? Do you actually think Colorado State would have played Clemson, Miami, Ohio State, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Rutgers or Michigan that close? Other top teams/conferences have been taking care of business in OOC games.

I did not lay claim to the PAC-12 being the best conference in the country. All I did was try and explain WHY it's being discussed.

Care to explain those SEC loses? Are you saying the national championship should be determined by the media?
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National championships have been determined by the media for decades. At best, two play for one, the rest for fun.

A quick translation through all the rhetoric: Your personal observation that a one loss SEC team will not repeat, will NOT be because a one loss pac 12 team or ANY, one loss team, from another conference, will be taking their place, PERIOD. Yes, we are still that good.

And the next time the quackers can change that, will be the first time.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
National championships have been determined by the media for decades. At best, two play for one, the rest for fun.

A quick translation through all the rhetoric: Your personal observation that a one loss SEC team will not repeat, will NOT be because a one loss pac 12 team or ANY, one loss team, from another conference, will be taking their place, PERIOD. Yes, we are still that good.

And the next time the quackers can change that, will be the first time.
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You might want to work on your reading comprehension. Show me where I said a one loss SEC team wouldn't be in the NC game. I haven't yet made any derogatory remarks about Alabama, yet you obviously feel the need to refer to the Ducks as the "Quackers" that's childish and not worthy of a true football fan. Usually name calling comes with insecurity.
 
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I'm done with this thread, the bama fans won't address the questions and aren't interested in actually discussing the possibilities being discussed. Obviously, there's a great difference between the great Tenn fans and the bama fans.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
You might want to work on your reading comprehension. Show me where I said a one loss SEC team wouldn't be in the NC game. I haven't yet made any derogatory remarks about Alabama, yet you obviously feel the need to refer to the Ducks as the "Quackers" that's childish and not worthy of a true football fan. Usually name calling comes with insecurity.
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Hang around, it will get tougher. Show and tell, is real big on SEC forums.
 
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